Bush Impotent In Georgia

The neocons have no problem attacking countries like Iraq but when Russia runs over one of George's buddies he is all show and no go. I am not in favor of us taking military action against Russia but George has visited over there and spoke about what good buddies they were, they even sent troops to Iraq, then when they need help he is playing around with the U.S. volleyball team. That is one hell of a good relationship he has with Putin. How did that go about looking into his soul again?

So you are you suggesting that we get involved in a shooting war with the Russians? And since your such a geo-political genius tell us how you would handle it other than just more democrat finger pointing.

That's what I thought all whining and no real solutions.

Pete wrote:

The neocons have no problem attacking countries like Iraq but when Russia runs over one of George's buddies he is all show and no go. I am not in favor of us taking military action against Russia but George has visited over there and spoke about what good buddies they were, they even sent troops to Iraq, then when they need help he is playing around with the U.S. volleyball team. That is one hell of a good relationship he has with Putin. How did that go about looking into his soul again?

Pete: What a brilliant agurement.

First a strick agains "neo-cons" because they are hawks, yet not doing anything against Russia.

Then, you state you don't support any military response.

Please tell me Pete, what is the appropiate response for the USA with this situation? What SHOULD Bush do?

Or better question. Let me ask you this:

What should President Obama do?

aimNfire wrote:

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Pete: What a brilliant agurement.
First a strick agains "neo-cons" because they are hawks, yet not doing anything against Russia.
Then, you state you don't support any military response.
Please tell me Pete, what is the appropiate response for the USA with this situation? What SHOULD Bush do?
Or better question. Let me ask you this:
What should President Obama do?

You're spitting in the wind trying to argue with Bush haters. In their eyes, Bush is damned no matter what.
If he takes no action, he's a terrible president.
If he takes action, he's a terrible preisident.
He sponsors stimulus checks, he's a terrible president.

On the other hand, Obama realizes the difference between Sunni and Shia. We should elect him on this alone!

aimNfire wrote:

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Pete: What a brilliant agurement.
First a strick agains "neo-cons" because they are hawks, yet not doing anything against Russia.
Then, you state you don't support any military response.
Please tell me Pete, what is the appropiate response for the USA with this situation? What SHOULD Bush do?
Or better question. Let me ask you this:
What should President Obama do?

Now you know how much you can believe what is reported. That being said, there was a report that Bush met with Putin while they were both in China on this and Putin told Bush to go perform a sexual act on himself. Not in those printable words though.

Now no matter what the arguments may be back and forth on Bush,I don't think anyone can say he's respected by the international community. Anybody except China that is. They think he's just such a wonderful guy.

Seenitbefore wrote:

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Now you know how much you can believe what is reported. That being said, there was a report that Bush met with Putin while they were both in China on this and Putin told Bush to go perform a sexual act on himself. Not in those printable words though.
Now no matter what the arguments may be back and forth on Bush,I don't think anyone can say he's respected by the international community. Anybody except China that is. They think he's just such a wonderful guy.

More brilliance.

So, what you're saying is that if Bush was more respected, like say a President Obama would be, the President could then merely tell or ask Putin to stop and they would of course do what we ask/tell because of thier respect of the President.

Is that the postion you are putting forth?

aimNfire wrote:

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Pete: What a brilliant agurement.
First a strick agains "neo-cons" because they are hawks, yet not doing anything against Russia.
Then, you state you don't support any military response.
Please tell me Pete, what is the appropiate response for the USA with this situation? What SHOULD Bush do?
Or better question. Let me ask you this:
What should President Obama do?

What I am saying is that this is a reflection of his failed foreign policy. We have encouraged Georgia to be bold in its dealings with Russia. They apparently started this by getting aggressive in South O. In the meantime Bush has not done enough to keep Putin, his buddy, happy. So know it looks like we have abandoned our ally in its time of need. Of course all of this is complicated by the fact we have zero credibility in the world on the issue of invading other countries. Bush got up and complained about brutality, the sound you heard was the hysterical laughter of the rest of the world for his audacity in preaching on brutality. Then again he should know brutality when he sees it.

Fred Tornado wrote:

<quoted text>You're spitting in the wind trying to argue with Bush haters. In their eyes, Bush is damned no matter what.
If he takes no action, he's a terrible president.
If he takes action, he's a terrible preisident.
He sponsors stimulus checks, he's a terrible president.
On the other hand, Obama realizes the difference between Sunni and Shia. We should elect him on this alone!

In this particular case he did box himself into a corner where he was damned no matter what he did. This is a reflection of the failed Bush/Rice foreign policy. Where was the CIA on this? Did Bush find out about this when we did? How come Bush was vacationing with Putin in China at the time and still could not do anything about this. We have heard for years what a good relationship they have. On the other hand Russia does not want us to invade Iraq and we go ahead anyway. Now they have done the same and we can't understand why they are telling us to you know what ourselves. They are telling us the same thing about Iran. Putin might be sending a shot across Bush's bows warning him that invading or bombing Iran is not a good idea.

"Bush Impotent In Georgia"

Just in Georgia? I'm sure that some reporter is either laughing at his/her headline or desperately wishing they would have worded it differently. LOL

aimNfire wrote:

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More brilliance.
So, what you're saying is that if Bush was more respected, like say a President Obama would be, the President could then merely tell or ask Putin to stop and they would of course do what we ask/tell because of thier respect of the President.
Is that the postion you are putting forth?

Oh come on. Reality is in the other direction.

Putin KNOWS Bush has stretched this country so thin there would be no bite behind his bark.

Hurley35 wrote:

"Bush Impotent In Georgia"
Just in Georgia? I'm sure that some reporter is either laughing at his/her headline or desperately wishing they would have worded it differently. LOL

Gee Hurley, I'm glad you wrote that. I didn't dare. This topic is not what I expected when I first read the thread! I'm sure if Laura is reading this, she is breathing a sigh of relief.

Pete wrote:

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What I am saying is that this is a reflection of his failed foreign policy. We have encouraged Georgia to be bold in its dealings with Russia. They apparently started this by getting aggressive in South O. In the meantime Bush has not done enough to keep Putin, his buddy, happy. So know it looks like we have abandoned our ally in its time of need. Of course all of this is complicated by the fact we have zero credibility in the world on the issue of invading other countries. Bush got up and complained about brutality, the sound you heard was the hysterical laughter of the rest of the world for his audacity in preaching on brutality. Then again he should know brutality when he sees it.

Wow. Way to dodge that question.

You didn't answer the question. I already know your opinion of Bush and how, in your mind, everything rolls back to being his fault. I know this Pete.

My question is/was, let's say this took place in March of 09 and Obama is President.

What Will Obama Do?(WWOD)tm

Please, educate all of us on what this master of foreign policy will do.

Don't go on with a critique of Bush's foriegn policy. It's so much easier to critique someone esles actions. Why not take the bold step of actually providing this magically solution that Bush is too dumb to master.

Tell us what Obama's foreign policy will do in this situation?

Seenitbefore wrote:

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Oh come on. Reality is in the other direction.
Putin KNOWS Bush has stretched this country so thin there would be no bite behind his bark.

are you kidding me?

You think having a 100+k of boots on the ground in Iraq and 10+k in Afgan gives us no bite, you my friend have no clue on our capabilities.

Our bite, doesn't have to include full scale ground occupation. I'm not referring to nuke's either.

A couple carrier groups could wipe out the Russians Georgia occupation force in about 1 week.

Russian subs and planes have 1980 technology compared to what we run.

Trust me. The rest of the world is well aware of the bite we have left. Especially the Russians.

And i didn't even have to mention our airforce.

Seenitbefore wrote:

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Oh come on. Reality is in the other direction.
Putin KNOWS Bush has stretched this country so thin there would be no bite behind his bark.

btw, besides critize - i have not heard 1 liberal, whether on this forum or leader of your party offer any solution. Nothing.

We are all waiting to see how this messaih of foreign policy Obama would handle this.

Where is he SIB? Instead of critize - tells us what the Lord Obama would do?

'crickets'

aimNfire wrote:

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btw, besides critize - i have not heard 1 liberal, whether on this forum or leader of your party offer any solution. Nothing.
We are all waiting to see how this messaih of foreign policy Obama would handle this.
Where is he SIB? Instead of critize - tells us what the Lord Obama would do?
'crickets'

I don't know what Obama would do. How can you possibly think I could. Not any more than I know what McCain would (actually) do.

As Obama has said he would talk to other leaders where Bush wants to call a shootout at sunrise rather than try diplomatic angles first. Maybe Obama would have regained the respect of the rest of the world by this time in his presidency that this would never have come about because such matters would be dealt with long before blood was shed. Unlike Bush. His next job should be with the blood bank he likes it outside the body that much.

And as this "story" is unfolding it seems this "confrontation" had been going on for a couple of months prior to the U.S. public finding out about it. Why didn't Bush do anything about it until it hit the news media. He, Bush, knew about what was going on LONG before we did. Maybe he was waiting for another 9/11. How's that for presumption.

And you consider Bush our messiah?

The Best thing Americans can do is what they didn't do in Iraq, is keep their buts out of it. Russia doesn't give a rats but what Americans think. Probably because Americans don't think. You are a country full of weaklings.

bush is impotent world wide. The dumbfuk has lost focus on bin laden for iraq and therefore bush will be held responsible for the next terrorist attack due to his incompetence and neglect of those responsible for 911. All those who voted for bush are also responsible and incompetent. mccain is no better by the time he wakes up from his valium doping and asks the maid for his wheel chair the terrorists will have done thier damage and be long gone.

One more thing - bush doesnt have any balls either or he would have ordered and air strike and destroyed them russian tanks immediatly. iran should have been bombed two years ago. talking to these terrorists does no good. give them a good punch in the head and that they will understand and know we mean serious consequences.

The only war we need to be in is The War on Terror. We need to fight that one just to survive.

Not so with Russia. We don't need to use war to police the world. Only to defend ourselves. We also didn't belong in Vietnam ('60s and '70s), Granada (1983), Central America ('80s), Panama (1989), Desert Shield/Storm (1991), Somalia (1993), Bosnia (1995), Kosovo (1999), etc.

Policing the world like this can get us in BIG trouble. Russia is a SUPERPOWER with NUKES! Plus, Russia is leaving us alone for NOW. Let's keep it that way.

An embargo is different. We have a right to not associate with whoever we feel like for any reason we want.

So let's embargo Russia. China, too.

aimNfire wrote:

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Wow. Way to dodge that question.
You didn't answer the question. I already know your opinion of Bush and how, in your mind, everything rolls back to being his fault. I know this Pete.
My question is/was, let's say this took place in March of 09 and Obama is President.
What Will Obama Do?(WWOD)tm
Please, educate all of us on what this master of foreign policy will do.
Don't go on with a critique of Bush's foriegn policy. It's so much easier to critique someone esles actions. Why not take the bold step of actually providing this magically solution that Bush is too dumb to master.
Tell us what Obama's foreign policy will do in this situation?

As the story is developing this is clearly another neocon foreign policy fubar. Apparently our courting of Georgia is part of a plan to surround Russia with pro U.S. "democracies" run by our puppets. This guy in Georgia is one of our puppets that Bush has lavished praise on to prop him up. South O. was not buying into this program and was remaining loyal to Russia. With our encouragement Georgia went into South O. and started cleansing Russian sympathizers. Putin sought U.N. involvement to stop this activity and got no where. He then sent in the Russian Army and when Georgia/U.S. sought U.N. involvement and a cease fire told us where to put it.

The biggest question here is whether the Bush Administration encouraged this miscalculating the Russian response or expecting this response. It is also coming out that U.S. "advisors" might be among the Georgian casualties. We have supplied them with military equipment so it would not be surprising that our "advisors" would be over there. I would bet that the Administration did not expect Putin to take advantage of the opportunity by attempting to castrate the military capability of Georgia.

I am reading that the only media portraying this as Russian aggression is our own. The neocons were apparently ready with thier media blitz of misinformation. The rest of the world is seeing this for what it is, a appropriate Russian response to Georgian/U.S. aggression.

Finally you are correct we could launch air strikes. I understand that due to the rising price of oil Russia has had a resurgence over the last few years and have poured tons of money into military reconstruction. Even FAUX was reporting yesterday that the Russian equipment racing throuh Georgia looked brand new and modern. I am sure that they have also modernized their Air Force and cruise missle capability. Even if we were able to limit a confrontation with Russia to conventional weapons they are a formidable foe. Is this Administration prepared to be the first one since FDR to lose a fleet carrier? Of course the risk of nuclear war is an ever present deterent.