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Smoking will not be allowed inside New York State treatment cen...

Recovering drug addicts, gamblers and alcoholics will soon have to kick their habits without lighting up.

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yeah its me

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Jul 23, 2008
 
way to go
tryingtorecover

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Jul 23, 2008
 
Do you know where NYS can stick there treatment centers??? I'm going back to drinking and driving..
Bad idea

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Jul 23, 2008
 
As a former psych nurse, I have to say that this is only going to lead to trouble. When individuals agree to recieve treatment for either psychological disorders or chemical dependency, they are taking a great step forward, but it causes a lot of personal stress. Nicotene is one of the hardest addictions to break. By throwing a client into Nicotene withdrawl during such a time of stress, you are setting them up to fail in their treatment. I think that the centers will find that the clients have an extremely hard time focusing on self improvement, and abstinence while the nicotene receptors in their brains are screaming for a cigarette.

Yes, treatment centers should not encourage smoking. However, first things first. Let them get the treatment they need...then worry about the cigarettes.
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Jul 23, 2008
 
I think this is a good idea, as a former psych nurse myself, I cannot stand the fact that as an employee, I am subjected to second hand smoke. I applaude New York State for taking this step and I think it will be good for the people that work in these facilities.

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Jul 23, 2008
 
Good idea wrote:
I think this is a good idea, as a former psych nurse myself, I cannot stand the fact that as an employee, I am subjected to second hand smoke. I applaude New York State for taking this step and I think it will be good for the people that work in these facilities.
And those that smoked outside somehow compromised your health also? Perhaps there will be massive layoffs at the centers since most who need rehab are
not usually all that anxious to go in. This will give them another reason not to seek help
Richard Brakefield

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Jul 23, 2008
 
And New York State wonders why people are leaving, We a becoming a nanny state. Who made Albany our mother and father.
mcmm

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Jul 23, 2008
 
Good idea wrote:
I think this is a good idea, as a former psych nurse myself, I cannot stand the fact that as an employee, I am subjected to second hand smoke. I applaude New York State for taking this step and I think it will be good for the people that work in these facilities.
And what good is it going to do for the people who need these facilities but won't use them now.
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Jul 23, 2008
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Rehab is for quitters!:)~~~~

But seriously, what is so heinous about smoking outside of the facility, as I am sure that has been the policy so far. And NY is an 'employment-at-will' state, so if you don't like your work environment get the fudge out and find another job.
fed up

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Jul 23, 2008
 
what ever happened to the land of the free?

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Jul 23, 2008
 
Bad idea wrote:
As a former psych nurse, I have to say that this is only going to lead to trouble. When individuals agree to recieve treatment for either psychological disorders or chemical dependency, they are taking a great step forward, but it causes a lot of personal stress. Nicotene is one of the hardest addictions to break. By throwing a client into Nicotene withdrawl during such a time of stress, you are setting them up to fail in their treatment. I think that the centers will find that the clients have an extremely hard time focusing on self improvement, and abstinence while the nicotene receptors in their brains are screaming for a cigarette.
Yes, treatment centers should not encourage smoking. However, first things first. Let them get the treatment they need...then worry about the cigarettes.
I totally agree with you. Someone is already in a stressed out situation and looking for help. They don’t by any means need to be subjected to another stress factor imposed by New York State. After all, they are there for help with a problem to begin with. After the initial treatment has been established with improving results, then help should be offered if applicable to stop smoking. I am NOT or never been a smoker but I do realize the right from wrong and this is wrong for the benefit of the patients recover process. Treatment of recovering drug addicts, gamblers and alcoholics is a big problem to begin with in this country.
Good idea wrote:
I think this is a good idea, as a former psych nurse myself, I cannot stand the fact that as an employee, I am subjected to second hand smoke. I applaude New York State for taking this step and I think it will be good for the people that work in these facilities.
Maybe that is why you’re a former psych nurse. Your patients comes first before you do in your job.

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Jul 23, 2008
 
Good idea wrote:
I am subjected to second hand smoke. I applaude New York State for taking this step and I think it will be good for the people that work in these facilities.
Whaaaat?
I'm assuming that if it's a public facility it's probably been nonsmoking for years.
I can remember almost 10 years ago driving by an AA meeting held in a private building. Place had a sign for the group and once in a while i'd catch them on break.
Outside, havin their smoke.
Reading some of the other linked articles, the patient is required not to smoke period. For all it's faults tobacco is a common crutch for those quiting something much more ruinous.

Nicotene replacements will be provided.
On NY taxpayers dime.

More addicts slipping thru the cracks and more bucks for 'guess who'....
Madness.
Considering Patterson is a lightweight i'm beginning to think Bloomberg runs the whole state.

Quite a few.

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Jul 23, 2008
 
Uh..the

"Quite a few."

Is just a fragment from another post i was writing.
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Jul 24, 2008
 
The comissioner of the state Office of Alchoholism and Substance Abuse Services, Karen Carpenter-Palumbo says "Addicts are more likely to have long-term success if they quit smoking at the same time they enter treatment."

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Jul 24, 2008
 
Good idea wrote:
The comissioner of the state Office of Alchoholism and Substance Abuse Services, Karen Carpenter-Palumbo says "Addicts are more likely to have long-term success if they quit smoking at the same time they enter treatment."
In other words....she's never actually worked with addicts.
http://www.oasas.state.ny.us/pio/bios/kcp.cfm
"Prior to coming to OASAS Ms. Carpenter-Palumbo served as Regional Vice President for the American Cancer Society, overseeing regional operations for this $1 billion National organization. From 1997-2004, she was Executive Vice President of Government Programs for Capital District Physicians’ Health Plan, Inc., serving over 400,000 members in upstate New York. In her role, she oversaw the operation of all Government Programs, including Medicaid, Medicare Choice, and Child and Family Health Plus. In addition, she served as the Corporate Compliance and Privacy Officer and company lobbyist. From 1990-1994"

ACS, Insurance company executive....lobbyist.
Says nothing about directly dealing with addicts in the field.
BTW 'Good idea', again explain how you've been exposed to SHS INSIDE public buildings in the past several years..
Good idea

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Jul 24, 2008
 
I was a nurse inside a private facility and exposed to second hand smoke. I left and found other employment due to this fact. This new law applies to private facilities and I applaud NY State for taking these actions!

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Jul 24, 2008
 
Good idea wrote:
I was a nurse inside a private facility and exposed to second hand smoke. I left and found other employment due to this fact. This new law applies to private facilities and I applaud NY State for taking these actions!
Didn't the 2003 law apply to private facilities?

http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/clean_in...

1399-q. Smoking restrictions inapplicable.
This article shall not apply to:
1. Private homes, private residences and private automobiles;
2. A hotel or motel room rented to one or more guests;
3. Retail tobacco businesses;
4. Membership associations;
5. Cigar bars
6. Outdoor dining areas of food service establishments
7. Enclosed rooms in food service establishments...etc

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Jul 24, 2008
 
Good idea wrote:
This new law applies to private facilities and I applaud NY State for taking these actions!
Uh the 'law' applies to the participants of these programs not the facilities.

ALBANY, N.Y.- Drug addicts, gamblers and alcoholics trying to kick their habits in treatment facilities won't be allowed to use tobacco under a new regulation that goes into effect across New York state this week.
"The change takes effect Thursday, making New York the strictest state in the country when it comes to prohibiting tobacco use among people under treatment for addiction.
Dianne Henk, a spokeswoman for the New York Office of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse Services, says people who enter treatment won't be able to use tobacco anywhere — or even give a ride to a friend who is smoking.
An $8 million grant from the New York Department of Health will help train employees to deal with treating nicotine dependence and provide free nicotine replacements."
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/07/2...

SO, less addicts in rehab and those that do go are a profit center for Big Pharma.

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Jul 24, 2008
 
Good idea wrote:
The comissioner of the state Office of Alchoholism and Substance Abuse Services, Karen Carpenter-Palumbo says "Addicts are more likely to have long-term success if they quit smoking at the same time they enter treatment."
I would bet my paycheck that the a**hole saying that has never been either a smoker or a drinker. She probably did read a lot of "studies" though.
Big Casino

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Jul 24, 2008
 
PicassoIII wrote:
<quoted text>Uh the 'law' applies to the participants of these programs not the facilities.
ALBANY, N.Y.- Drug addicts, gamblers and alcoholics trying to kick their habits in treatment facilities won't be allowed to use tobacco under a new regulation that goes into effect across New York state this week.
"The change takes effect Thursday, making New York the strictest state in the country when it comes to prohibiting tobacco use among people under treatment for addiction.
Dianne Henk, a spokeswoman for the New York Office of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse Services, says people who enter treatment won't be able to use tobacco anywhere — or even give a ride to a friend who is smoking.
An $8 million grant from the New York Department of Health will help train employees to deal with treating nicotine dependence and provide free nicotine replacements."
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/07/2...
SO, less addicts in rehab and those that do go are a profit center for Big Pharma.
Yes, but think of the 8 million as coming from the states share of casino revenues, it hurts less...It's money from the Seneca's, you know, the ones who sell cheap cigarettes? I mean, it's not really like it's OUR money...well, it used to be, but it was the Seneca's money when the state spent it...Casinos, aren't they great?

If ignorance is bliss, New York must be heaven.

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Jul 24, 2008
 
Sheri wrote:
She probably did read a lot of "studies" though.
If that, check out her bio...
http://www.oasas.state.ny.us/pio/bios/kcp.cfm

Like i said earlier, ACS; check, and insurance company; check.
Seems like little to no time has been spent with actual adult addicts.
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