lolololol I cannot wait to see the type of public safety you get for 60,000. Small College police make much more that 60,000. Oh this Vallejo cartoon just keeps getting better.The base pay of fire and police need to be set to $60,000 and then they need to hire enough fire and police personnel to eliminate overtime and provide adequate service.
All other city personnel need to have a 20 to 40 percent paycut. They should also eliminate the pension funds move all employees to 403(b) plans.
Then allocate $250 to $350 per month per employee for health care with the employee paying the rest.
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Lets see, right now we get GED educated MORONS for $200K, so the only place to go is UP! Cant get below GED moron, unless their name is Robert. BTW GED Boy, GED cop is a GED job, and a $60K for a GED job is a wage your sorry as-s should be begging for, because without your gov workfare you would be living on AFDC and food stamps. |
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I implied nothing of the sort. You continually try to ascribe statements and inferences to me that I have not made. If you are confused about what I meant, ask me, and I will clarify it for you. I state exactly what I mean, you see. Your attmepts to muddy my meanings are pointless and silly. |
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I'm well aware of the roles of budgets, funds, accounts, restrictions on enterprise funds, and the like. I've never said or implied that enterprise funds should be used to pay police and fire salaries. My point was this: the general fund is the general fund. It is not "The Budget", it is one fund among the dozens of city funds. It is where police and fire salaries come from. It is where all undesigneated income the city receives is placed. That's it. My reference to creating a Public Safety Fund was meant to show that there is no magic to the general fund. It is simply one way of paying public safety, among other things. If the city paid public safety by placing X amount of money in a "public safety fund" each year, then public safety would take 0% of the general fund. It would take 100% of the public safety fund. See? Accounting can be fun!! As for Grants, yes those are used to pay salaries, or purchase equipment. They do, however, require the departmental budget to be increased by the amount of the grant, and the funds designated for the use for which the grant money was intended. It cannont go into the general fund because it is already designated for a specific use. Yep, accounting is a blast! |
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That's a really nice story, but too bad it has nothing to do with what's really happening in Vallejo. Between Police and fire in the last few years, there are about 80 less people in public safety. according to the city, that's 80 x $200,000 for a yearly savings of $16,000,000 over previous staffing levels. Add in salary cuts and takebacks, 0% raised for a few years, and you have millions more. And you think those two departments need to make even more cuts? get a grip. |
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Since: Mar 08
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"interesting",
Yes. The average compensation package for Police and Fire is too high. A lower average compensation package means higher staffing levels. It's simple math.
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Firehwiners and cops with GED's do not understand even "simple math". |
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How much lower? and how many more police officers and firefighters will that pay for? Oh, and how many more will leave to better paying departments, and what will recruitment and training new employees cost? How about the cost of lowered morale, destroyed employee loyalty and motivation, and the cost of lack of experience and efficiency of new employees? I think you fail to take into account the cost of all the effects of lowered compenstation. I've repeatedly advocated the removal of the extras in the employee indirect compensation, such as short term disability (sick leave can be used for non-work related absences) the accidental death insurance policy, EAP program, and other extras that are expensive but rarely utilized indirect compensation benefits. This would not effect the pay of employees but would save the city money. If employees want these, they can pay for them. If not, then they don't get them. |
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Since: Mar 08
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"interesting",
If the PSUs in all cities did not make such enormous political campaign contributions, the compensation packages would not be at the level they are now. That is a simple fact. PSU leadership would not have been able to negotiate to the current levels without buying that influence with city politicians. Now compensation packages are not just unsustainable, they can no longer be sustained. So a "market correction" is in order. And yes, it's not good for morale and it is painful. But PSU leadership set the stage for this and reality is setting in. Consider that Police and Fire in all NorCal cities probably made more than they were supposed to, due to PSU leadership buying political influence. And now Police and Fire will likely make less than they are accustomed to. If organized labor stops funding political campaigns and the city implements campaign finance reform, I'll consider voting for a tax increase. But absolutely not until them.
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Your post is very well stated CJ. Both sides need to accept this reality. We are an ethnic,Blue Collar city not a Sausalito;we are a lot more like Richmond. Vallejo never was and we will never be a Benicia let alone a Sausalito. So, please stop chasing away businesses that can generate revenue for Vallejo because they are not highend. Highend businesses will not come to a city that has Vallejo's demographics. Likewise, Vallejo can only payout to its employees what it has, period. This is not "hate" this is an enconomic "reality". Times change and so does our ability to compensate workers. It is happening all over America. As the old saying goes " Whats good for General Motors is good for the USA". GMs unions and management have been forced to completely reinvent their way of life and their way of doing business in order to survive and so does Vallejo. Remember,no new taxes because you can not get blood from a turnip. |
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After the next $26 billion in cuts the State's general fund will be at about 2001 levels. Why can't our employees go back to 2000-01 salaries and benefits after all that is what is coming in. Vallejo's current general fund is about at 1999-2000 levels the same should apply for salary and benefit rollbacks. Now I can hardly wait for the repsonse for the PSU crybabies about how they can't get their mortgages, and toys payments to go back to 1999-2000 levels so GUNMETALBLUE's story will be proven true. |
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EEerrrr....Dumbo- we are in the deepest depression since 1929, NO ONE is hiring ANYWHERE. And for the record-market rate for a GED cop is minimum wage. |
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Since: Mar 08
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"SayWhat",
I take it you have never heard of economic and business development. If what you say is true, Suisun would still be the drug-infested rat hole it use to be. But with careful and strategic planning, a city can raise itself up into prosperity. Suisun was far far worse than Vallejo and has come a very long ways. Do you really think most Vallejoans have "blue collar" jobs? Where are these blue-collar jobs they have? Seems to me that the middle to high income families in Vallejo commute out of town to professional jobs. Those are the people Vallejo needs to cater to. Your pathetic declaration that Vallejo should set the bar low is the kind of attitude that will never bring prosperity to the city.
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First, you did not answer my question. How much of a cut do you believe police and fire need to take, and how many more cops and firefirhters will that pay for?
Second, you cannot limit the policitcal campaign contributions of unions- its been found to be free speech. You can say that salaries need a "market adjustment, but if Vallejo makes this "adjustment" unilaterally, experienced personnel will leave and work for departments who haven't made the cuts. Vallejo will be left with understaffed, under- experienced public safety personnel who will be overwhelmed with the increasing levels of crime and calls for service. What's that going to cost? Not everything shows up in the bottom line. I think you're overlooking the significant costs that this will require of the city.
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CHP is hiring, so is SFPD, Napa County Sheriff, San Jose PD... shall I continue, or will you just be quiet now? |
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So is Vallejo if you believe everything you read, or see on a website: http://agency.governmentjobs.com/vallejo/defa... |
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Every CHP car has the "hiring" bumper sticker. Blee dat! |
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No they're not-lay off the crack pipe junior, you cannot afford to lose anymore brain cells, |
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Queenie do not forget to register on your birthday or I will come arrest you. |
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At least I will have a job. |
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