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How Measure B came to B

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#47
May 29, 2008
 
reality checker wrote:
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Because we can set the standard for taxation and certification of cannabis. So, we would also be making a "bunch of money".
How much money? well I have posted that before, but here it goes again;
• 2006 plant count for Mendocino county = 256,519
• Each plant average 4 ounces x 256,519 plants = 1,026,076 ounces = 29,243,166 grams
• 29,243,166 grams at 3.5 grams per 1/8th ounce = 8,355,190.28 1/8th ounce
• At $40 per 1/8th (price includes sales tax), and the sales tax amount at 7.75%=$2.88 per 1/8th ounce in sales tax
•$2.88 per 1/8th ounce x 8,355,190 1/8th ounces =$24,062,947.20 EACH YEAR!
If the CAMP numbers are representative of 10% of the total amount of pot grown in Mendocino County, then 100% of the plant numbers would produce total sales tax (at 7.75%) of $240,629,472.00. This is at 4 ounces per plant. If, as measure B suggests, that the plants produce 1 pound per plant, the number will quadruple to $96,251,788.80 at 10% plant numbers! If you had 100% numbers, then the potential sales tax income would be a staggering $962,517,888.00!
Except sales tax is collected at the point of sale, not production. Therefore, the Rev. Duff pays no sales tax when he purchases pounds at wholesale prices in Mendocino County. Nor does he pay sales tax when he purchases pounds at his LA dispensary. He also does not pay or collect sales tax when he buys pounds at wholesale and then sells them at wholesale. Only the Rev. Duff's retail customers pay sales tax at the point of sale. So just growing a bunch of marijuana in Mendocino County does nothing for us except create problems. Problems which you prefer to ignore. Unless you think we should supply all the urban dispensaries and street dealers, Vote "YES" on Measure B to stop the abuse of the commercial growers.

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#48
May 29, 2008
 
Vote YES on B wrote:
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Except sales tax is collected at the point of sale, not production. Therefore, the Rev. Duff pays no sales tax when he purchases pounds at wholesale prices in Mendocino County. Nor does he pay sales tax when he purchases pounds at his LA dispensary. He also does not pay or collect sales tax when he buys pounds at wholesale and then sells them at wholesale. Only the Rev. Duff's retail customers pay sales tax at the point of sale. So just growing a bunch of marijuana in Mendocino County does nothing for us except create problems. Problems which you prefer to ignore. Unless you think we should supply all the urban dispensaries and street dealers, Vote "YES" on Measure B to stop the abuse of the commercial growers.
so, if we came up with a way for them to pay those taxes, think of the even greater revenue! We can do it if we all work together, not tear each other apart.
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#49
May 29, 2008
 
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so, if we came up with a way for them to pay those taxes, think of the even greater revenue! We can do it if we all work together, not tear each other apart.
Please...I am trying to be helpful and have a respectful dialogue. Sales taxes are collected at the point of RETAIL sale. The local dispensary, which went out of business because it did not have enough customers, if they collected sales tax at all, did so only on those over the counter sales where the retail customer came in and bought 1/8 ounce of Zowie Wowie and a pot brownie or whatever. So they collected sales tax on those relatively small amounts. Period.

The marijuana that is grown and sold wholesale, whether the buyer comes here to buy it, or whether the grower goes to them, is not subject to the sales tax. So, again, we get all the problems of large scale commercial production, and none of the benefits.

Oh, and we can't really come up with the perfect system of regulation, taxation, etc. because of a little thing called federal prohibition. End federal prohibition and we can talk about your ideal solution.

The ONLY solution available to us right now is to Vote "YES" on Measure B to put us back in line with the state limits so that we are not a target for every commercial grower in the country.
Patrick Duff

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May 29, 2008
 
Vote YES on B wrote:
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Except sales tax is collected at the point of sale, not production. Therefore, the Rev. Duff pays no sales tax when he purchases pounds at wholesale prices in Mendocino County. Nor does he pay sales tax when he purchases pounds at his LA dispensary. He also does not pay or collect sales tax when he buys pounds at wholesale and then sells them at wholesale. Only the Rev. Duff's retail customers pay sales tax at the point of sale. So just growing a bunch of marijuana in Mendocino County does nothing for us except create problems. Problems which you prefer to ignore. Unless you think we should supply all the urban dispensaries and street dealers, Vote "YES" on Measure B to stop the abuse of the commercial growers.
You like to use me as an example, thanks, it makes me feel good.

But, your problem is that you're not creative enough with taxes, as i am, and will talk about on the radio this weekend, or even tomorrow if we can get a spot.

Taxation not RE-criminalzation

Don't go back to 1937 when America was first told the lies the supporters of measure B are claiming again.

Vote No on B, if it even happens after court tomorrow....

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May 29, 2008
 
Vote YES on B wrote:
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Please...I am trying to be helpful and have a respectful dialogue. Sales taxes are collected at the point of RETAIL sale. The local dispensary, which went out of business because it did not have enough customers, if they collected sales tax at all, did so only on those over the counter sales where the retail customer came in and bought 1/8 ounce of Zowie Wowie and a pot brownie or whatever. So they collected sales tax on those relatively small amounts. Period.
The marijuana that is grown and sold wholesale, whether the buyer comes here to buy it, or whether the grower goes to them, is not subject to the sales tax. So, again, we get all the problems of large scale commercial production, and none of the benefits.
Oh, and we can't really come up with the perfect system of regulation, taxation, etc. because of a little thing called federal prohibition. End federal prohibition and we can talk about your ideal solution.
The ONLY solution available to us right now is to Vote "YES" on Measure B to put us back in line with the state limits so that we are not a target for every commercial grower in the country.
We could come up with a growers tax, let them pay the irs for selling dried flowers. that's what they are anyway. there is a way to do it, and we can't wait for the feds to take the lead. We can be proactive, not reactive, and I believe measure b is reactive.
Vote YES on B

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#52
May 29, 2008
 
The fact that we have federal prohibition prevents us from implementing taxation unless it is voluntary. The myth of the community minded grower who generously donates to charity is already pretty well exploded. Most of them are tighter than ticks. I don't think they will be rushing forward to pay a voluntary tax. Again, passing Measure B is the best option available so that we are not a magnet for the commercial growers.
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#54
May 31, 2008
 
measure B is dead wrong for mendocino!
truth to tell

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May 31, 2008
 
Vote YES on B wrote:
The fact that we have federal prohibition prevents us from implementing taxation unless it is voluntary. The myth of the community minded grower who generously donates to charity is already pretty well exploded. Most of them are tighter than ticks. I don't think they will be rushing forward to pay a voluntary tax. Again, passing Measure B is the best option available so that we are not a magnet for the commercial growers.
Voters also need to know that the fantasy tale that begins this thread (how B came to B)is the paranoid ramblings of Richard Johnson who is the author and cheif defender of Measure G, which got us into this mess in the first place.

R. Johnson also proudly takes credit for talking Ukiah Sativa Morrison, Estelle P. Clifton and Dolly (folly) Brown into running for Supe. You really have to wonder about the judgement of anyone who is talked into anything by Johnson.

Everyone who cares about what commercial marijauna is doing to Mendocino County should vote Yes on Measure B and vote against all of Richard Johnson's hand picked candidates.
to tell the truth

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May 31, 2008
 
truth to tell wrote:
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Voters also need to know that the fantasy tale that begins this thread (how B came to B)is the paranoid ramblings of Richard Johnson who is the author and cheif defender of Measure G, which got us into this mess in the first place.
R. Johnson also proudly takes credit for talking Ukiah Sativa Morrison, Estelle P. Clifton and Dolly (folly) Brown into running for Supe. You really have to wonder about the judgement of
anyone who is talked into anything by Johnson.
Everyone who cares about what commercial marijauna is doing to Mendocino County should vote Yes on Measure B and vote against all of Richard Johnson's hand picked candidates.
You believe some of Richard's fantasy but not all. How do you select what part of the fantasy to believe? All or nothing dude. Because Richard said he hand picked the candidates doesn't make it reality. Pick and choose what suits you just as
the Yes on B does. Selective truth is no truth at all.
truth to tell

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May 31, 2008
 
to tell the truth wrote:
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You believe some of Richard's fantasy but not all. How do you select what part of the fantasy to believe? All or nothing dude. Because Richard said he hand picked the candidates doesn't make it reality. Pick and choose what suits you just as
the Yes on B does. Selective truth is no truth at all.
Dolly and Estelle have confirmed that Richard talked them into running. Richard is her voter outreach chair. Richard was on Estelle's campaign team until wiser people told her to distance herself from him. But she is still the official candidate of Richard's "voters union". Sativa also got involved via Richard's "voters union." The truth hurts, but their it is. Your candidates lack independent judgement.

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#58
May 31, 2008
 
truth to tell wrote:
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Dolly and Estelle have confirmed that Richard talked them into running. Richard is her voter outreach chair. Richard was on Estelle's campaign team until wiser people told her to distance herself from him. But she is still the official candidate of Richard's "voters union". Sativa also got involved via Richard's "voters union." The truth hurts, but their it is. Your candidates lack independent judgement.
Thanks for making Plato's point about politics in such a simple way that it's practically an endorsement.

Plato pointed out that the "Philosopher King" is the best governor, but is the one least likely to actually WANT the job.

If you have to talk candidates into running, those are the ones you want.

The ones who want to run on their own likely have other deep-seated psychological issues to work out.
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