Marijuana Meth Connection

sue wrote:

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nooooo not in my world

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...THEN we moved to california had to go to a public school and thats where everything weny wrong..all that good upbringing and i wanna hitchhike to santa cruz instead of go to school.because cali schools are way behind it was a waste of time ,for i thought.so running away i did and running away got me in the juvine system for the next 6 years.hummm 18 and out after being locked up and being very prety i was sucked into the cocaine ara of the late 70s early 80s.went to several coleges not really having an idea what i wanted to do.stayed in the druggie world for my 20s.then i met my husband who i loved more than drugs.so from going to that from that .idk what do you think ....i havent done meth in 14 years....i know im the reason my daughter is the way she is ...>

The "daughter" is also a meth head.
Meth...marijuana connected.

sue wrote:

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jaded is a dee dee dee

ouch!

DON"T DO HARD DRUGS, kids. You won't be a cool Rock Star......This is what you'll become!
Faces of Meth
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

They sure look like a lot of the locals in Mendocino don't they!
Why aren't they bustin' all those labs?

http://www.methproject.org

Methamphetamine is a highly addictive synthetic stimulant that affects the pleasure centers of the brain. It is considered even more addictive than heroin. Meth is sometimes referred to as "Speed," "Chalk," "Ice," "Crystal," "Glass," "Crank," "Yaba," "Fire," "Tina," and "Tweak."

Meth releases high levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine (three to four time the levels attributable to cocaine), which stimulates brain cells, enhances mood and body movement, and regulates feelings of pleasure. With repeated use, Meth can "turn off" the brain's ability to produce dopamine, leaving users unable to experience any kind of pleasure from anything other than more and more Meth. Meth can be swallowed, snorted, smoked, or injected. Depending on the method of intake, the high from Meth can last from 6 to 24 hours.

Meth is derived from amphetamine and is commonly made using the base chemicals ephedrine or pseudoephedrine found in over-the-counter medicines. Other common household products added to the manufacture of Meth include: acetone (nail polish remover), iodine, anhydrous ammonia (fertilizer), hydrochloric acid (pool chemicals), lithium (batteries), red phosphorus (matches or road flares), sodium hydroxide (lye), sulfuric acid (drain cleaner), and toluene (brake fluid). Although there are multiple ways to produce Meth, most involve the use of toxic and volatile substances that pose a threat to the surrounding area.

For every pound of Meth produced, approximately five pounds of toxic waste is generated. This waste may include corrosive liquids, acid vapors, heavy metals, solvents, and other harmful materials. Because of the illicit nature of Meth production, waste is often dumped haphazardly, contaminating watersheds used by humans and animals.

Meth users are often seduced by the intensity of the initial high—a high many say is unlike anything they have experienced before. Almost immediately, users build up a tolerance for the drug, causing them to vary the quantity, frequency, or method of intake in an effort to recreate that first experience. Even with sustained low-level usage, a person will often begin to experience symptoms such as drug craving, extreme weight loss, loss of muscle tone, and tooth decay, along with withdrawal-related depression and other symptoms. High doses can elevate body temperature to dangerous—sometimes lethal—levels, as well as cause convulsions.

Long-term Meth abuse may result in many damaging effects, including violent behavior, anxiety, confusion, insomnia, paranoia, auditory hallucinations, mood disturbances and delusions (for example, the sensation of insects crawling on the skin). Chronic use frequently leads to symptoms such as neurotoxicity (brain damage), respiratory problems, irregular heartbeat, and irreversible damage to blood vessels in the brain—producing strokes, heart and kidney damage, cardiovascular collapse, and death.

reality checker wrote:

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Its not the indoor gardens that are causing high electricity rates. Power in California has been high for decades, long before measure g and long before 215 passed. It is only an excuse.
What the problem on these posts lately is the fact that some posters have lumped legitimate mmj patients in with commercial growers. It is like saying, "I was robbed by a black man, therefore, all black men are robbers."
We have a problem with commercial grows, mainly on public lands. These criminals are giving a bad rep to those legitimate mmj patients. So much that we are now lumped in with meth tweakers.
We have a domestic violence problem in mendo.
We have an alcohol problem in mendo.
We have a meth problem in mendo.
We have a commercial pot problem in mendo.
It is not rational to blame pot for all the problems our society has. It's just not.

Commercial dope growers, large and small, are giving dope growers a bad name. The truth is only a tiny percentage of growers are medical. Most of them are in it for the money. Indoor growers who use 4 to 10 times the electricity of a normal house do cause higher costs. They drive peak usage higher, creating more demand on the system. They overload the system and cause transformers to blow. We all share the cost for that. Dopers are a drag.

American Drug War wrote:

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The War on Drugs has become the longest and most costly war in American history, the question has become, how much more can the country endure? Inspired by the death of four family members from "legal drugs" Texas filmmaker Kevin Booth sets out to discover why the Drug War has become such a big failure. Three and a half years in the making the film follows gang members, former DEA agents, CIA officers, narcotics officers, judges, politicians, prisoners and celebrities. Most notably the film befriends Freeway Ricky Ross; the man many accuse for starting the Crack epidemic, who after being arrested discovered that his cocaine source had been working for the CIA. AMERICAN DRUG WAR shows how money, power and greed have corrupted not just dope fiends but an entire government. More importantly, it shows what can be done about it. This is not some 'pro-drug' stoner film, but a collection of expert testimonials from the ground troops on the front lines of the drug war, the ones who are fighting it and the ones who are living it. Written by Kevin Booth
http://www.youtube.com/watch... Part 1 of twelve.

Agreed, the war on drugs is a costly failure. Federal marijuana prohibition should be ended. Drug use/abuse should be treated like a public health problem. How many times can I say it?

The problem in Mendocino County is that with our permissive attitude toward commercial dope growers/dealers and our previous lax enforcement policy, we have made ourselves a haven for grower/dealers.

Measure B repealed Measure G so that we are no longer the most attractive destination for hard core criminals and other wannabe grower/dealers.

Measure B is not prohibition. It does not interphere with the rights of legit medical marijuana patients.

Measure B simply puts us in line with the rest of the state so we are not the spear point for illegal drug production.

Hey... im not commercial. Sure the other day I said

FB Grower wrote:

and y are u 2 at these clubs... u seem to see alot when it fits yer posting.
I sell to clubs and SWEAR TO GOD have never seen a kid in 1 in maybe 100 times in them

but just cause I sell it doesnt mean i am a commercial drug dealer. i sell it as a public service. Ya know like joining the military or being a cop. kids need dope to. why should there parents have all the fun. school is tough. it causes stress. stress kills. i just help primary school students relive there stress is all. nothing bad about that. doesn't make me commercial. i don't even have a commercial.

i owt. i jest hade it wid u al. nowe i wil jest tak me 45 yere olde jibe tawkin fat but on hom cuz i gots chootoes watin ther. so u cane jest all s.c.r.u. u.r. s.e.l.v. yah u. if me dotter wuz her shed git u bute shed ete al me chootees sos ina glads he aint her. she aint gotsa eny toothes but she can suk da paint offa pencile

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obtoose? wats dat?

lawnorder wrote:

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Agreed, the war on drugs is a costly failure. Federal marijuana prohibition should be ended. Drug use/abuse should be treated like a public health problem. How many times can I say it?
The problem in Mendocino County is that with our permissive attitude toward commercial dope growers/dealers and our previous lax enforcement policy, we have made ourselves a haven for grower/dealers.
Measure B repealed Measure G so that we are no longer the most attractive destination for hard core criminals and other wannabe grower/dealers.
Measure B is not prohibition. It does not interphere with the rights of legit medical marijuana patients.
Measure B simply puts us in line with the rest of the state so we are not the spear point for illegal drug production.

And contrary to what the dope grower/dealers want you to think, many of the growers are hard core criminals. There is much more of a meth-marijuana connection than most people understand.

dopers lie wrote:

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And contrary to what the dope grower/dealers want you to think, many of the growers are hard core criminals. There is much more of a meth-marijuana connection than most people understand.

News flash, many people in the Cannabis community are some of the most outspoken anti-meth folks in the state. The fact that tweekers try to make money in every way possible does not mean there is any connection between meth and pot. If you really dont like meth labs than you should hope these meth cooks are growing gigantic fields of pot so they would be conspicuous. The fact of the matter is they dont grow all the weed your talking about. I have never heard about CAMP landing on someones crop and finding a meth lab. These meth labs are hidden from sight far away from any pot plants. We need to get together and do something about meth labs and the people who run them. Instead of badmouthing the cannabis culture you should get to know it and realize that you have more allies in the war on Meth (a real harmful drug) than you think.

John wrote:

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News flash, many people in the Cannabis community are some of the most outspoken anti-meth folks in the state. The fact that tweekers try to make money in every way possible does not mean there is any connection between meth and pot. If you really dont like meth labs than you should hope these meth cooks are growing gigantic fields of pot so they would be conspicuous. The fact of the matter is they dont grow all the weed your talking about. I have never heard about CAMP landing on someones crop and finding a meth lab. These meth labs are hidden from sight far away from any pot plants. We need to get together and do something about meth labs and the people who run them. Instead of badmouthing the cannabis culture you should get to know it and realize that you have more allies in the war on Meth (a real harmful drug) than you think.

Widespread massive dope profits have singlehandedly brought more meth into MEndocino than any other cause. And then, there is the cocaine used by these little drug czars as well. DRUG INDUSTRY ADVOCATES, regardless of WHICH drug, have no common ground with those who are not dopers. None. Their efforts in filibustering and election fraud betray their real agenda. Making profits by exploiting children and the weak. Laughable that most DRUG ADVOCATES liken themselves to Abraham Lincoln.

Your soooo confused. These tweekers have been in Mendo-Lake forever. They did not come with 215. It is one big lie.

John wrote:

Your soooo confused. These tweekers have been in Mendo-Lake forever. They did not come with 215. It is one big lie.

Meth has been in America since the 60s. READ THE RESPONSE. It says that MASSIVE DOPE PROFITS are the reason SO MUCH METH is now spread through the county. I know. It is difficult. DRUG ADVOCATES like to pick nits, and claim that the problems were ALWAYS this bad, since it existed before prop 215. Yet, in reality, meth has increased since 215. Why? MONEY. DOPE MONEY. Massive amounts of DOPE MONEY.

Speak the truth, liar. Or learn it, as the case may be.

Your talkin about the growth of population.

I am saying there is not a connection between meth labs and herb.

John wrote:

I am saying there is not a connection between meth labs and herb.

You are wrong. It is that simple.
THE TRIANGLE TRADE
The TRIANGLE TRADE in Mendocino today, refers to MARIJUANA, METH, and CASH. Each leg of the triangle feeds the next. This means, Mendocino County's METH problem is interdependent and linked directly to MARIJUANA PRODUCTION. Here's how it works:
DOPE DEALER GROWS POT-->SELLS/TRADES POT FOR METH--> SELLS METH FOR CASH-->USES CASH TO FUND NEW MARIJUANA GROWS AND PERSONAL METH USE. Then, it starts all over. POT-->METH-->CASH. It truly is that simple.
Most people know POT and METH go hand in hand. I personally know at least a dozen "compassionate" POT GROWERS in Ukiah, who are also METH HEADS. You likely do too.

John wrote:

Your talkin about the growth of population.

No. I am talking about the DIRECT CONNECTION between MASSIVE DOPE PROFITS and meth. Since I am doing the speaking, I think I understand what I am talking about.

Population growth does not explain the link between post-porp 215 skyrocketing drug profits, and the skyrocketing meth use here in the county.

Only one thing does: DOPE PROFITS

Although you are right about what you are saying it does not mean that is how everybody lives. I hate meth and everything associated with it. I personally think marijuana needs to be legalized fast so it loses its value and makes it less lucrative for the tweekers. The bottom line is most pot smokers have nothing to do with tweek. The "METH CULTURE" needs to be dealt with. People who cook meth are not to be likened to people who grow pot.

John wrote:

Although you are right about what you are saying it does not mean that is how everybody lives. I hate meth and everything associated with it. I personally think marijuana needs to be legalized fast so it loses its value and makes it less lucrative for the tweekers. The bottom line is most pot smokers have nothing to do with tweek. The "METH CULTURE" needs to be dealt with. People who cook meth are not to be likened to people who grow pot.

Thank you for acknowledging I was right. I understand you might not live this way, and that many don't. Yet, it IS the cause. It will remain this way until there are no massive dope profits to fuel it. It is a sad reality of the times. I seek to change it, because it is not good for children or society as a whole. It must stop, or things will be much worse.