Growers not giving back?

Hey Get a Grip,Nice to hear from you also. Sorry for being a little out of sorts in these posts lately.Sometimes feels like the ranting becomes personal attacks just for the sake of ideology. I couldn't agree with you more about the line being drawn. I happen to love my country and my community.I just want the best for my son and every other child.What I do is just another job. Comes with work, responsibility, having to get up everyday just like anyone else.I don't dislike construction in fact quite the opposite but having been at it thirty some years I am a little worn out.What I really hope for is that I can make enough money at this to truly give back in a substantial way.I want the time and money to teach my son how to respect our world and hopefully his generation can fix and repair some of what we have ruined.I don't think we are leaving much of a legacy with our environment to our children.Money buys personal freedom.Freedom gives one the time to do good instead of just getting by.This winter my son and I are pulling Gorse out of our road.He is very excited to be able to pull out the "bad plants".Costs no money to do but without the "time" he and I never have the experience and I fail in what I see as a very important responsibility as a parent. Sure there are many people who abuse the system. Thus it has ever been in any walk of life.Doesn't make it right but neither does it mean that everyone who grows some pot is an evil person somehow ruining our children and the very fabric of our society.That is a little like saying the owner of the liquor store is responsible for the teenager who gets some adult to buy him booze. In closing I will say that there will be new footprints down the walkway of my childs school this fall so the children can have a visual of where to walk thereby hopefully avoiding door opening accidents from the classroom doors.Lets all pitch in and see if we can't solve some problems instead of being haters........

Yes. Let's see if we can be productive members of society, and spread our drugs to all 4 corners of the earth, because we feel it is the right thing to do. To hell with what everyone else thinks. We know we are right... so everybody else just better learn to live with it, or we will call them haters. they should like us dealing drugs to their kids. It is natural after all. I mean they give them sugar. Why cant we give them drugs?

Mongo told the truth:
<Mongo Lloyd wrote:>
Check out just how low DOPE GROWERS will go. There is a thread devoted to a girl named Katlyn, who died as a result of a psycho. This thread is for family and friends, and interested GOOD people in the community to read. Yet, these DOPE GROWERS... these criminal thugs... take a spamming war of their own creation... to this thread.
Here is a sample:
<Mongo Lloyd triplet wrote:> 47 min ago - Don;t be fooled. I am the God and savior of all TOPIX postings! I need so much attention! I will keep up posting until you people give me the attention I deserve, as a member of the tin foil hat society! I have perfect white teeth. I suffer from multiple posting syndrome, so don't be suprised to see my name all the time"
HERE IS MY APOLOGY, ON BEHALF OF GOOD PEOPLE:
<Mongo Lloyd wrote:>
"I must say, this is horrid. I apologize to Katlyn's friends and family. These folks should not be attacking here. This thread is not for that. You have my sincere apologies for these horrible "people". I just can't believe it. <shaking head> "
These drug dealers will sink LOW, in order to get their agenda met: to sell drugs to kids. They care not for Katlyn, her family and friends, or anyone else but themselves. I must say... I have seen these DRUG DEALERS sink to low levels, but it still is shocking when HURT others. Shocking.
You DOPE GROWERS want a problem with me, you have one. Deal with it. Don't screw with a grieving family. Have you NO shame? No. You don't.
What a bunch of low-lifers."

NOPE. NO HATERS HERE. WHY CAN'T THE DRUGGIES TELL THE TRUTH?

I am still confused as to what kids I have sold drugs to? Were they the ones at V.B.S.,the soccer clinic,rec center summer camp or the policemans som who told me he loved me the other day as I held him in my arms so his father could go out and catch the bad guys?So if Mongo no longer posts, then I will ask you the same question Nambla. How much of your time and money have you given this last year to your community.Would you like to help coach a pop warner football team? Two evenings a week plus Saturday's for the next three months.We have a spot for you.Put your personage where your mouth is and do what you claim is important. Help the children.

Reality Check wrote:

We don't need growers. That article about the dispensary owner who closed down because the supply of MJ greatly outweighs the demand?
How about replacing your MJ gardens with vegetable gardens and donate any extra food you grow to food banks, charities, or just the family next door who may be struggling. I do that. Oh wait, that would truly be compassionate and there is no [illegal] money in it.

I actually do have a veggie garden and I do donate to anyone who needs it, and I also grow a few plants for myself. I also give to the homeless when they ask for money. So I'm sorry to burst your bubble but there really are some compassionate growers, but you and others don't seem to give us a chance. I happen to agree there are major problems with commercial growers, and that if they taxed them it would bring in a huge amount of much needed money to the county.

mensa wrote:

I am still confused as to what kids I have sold drugs to? Were they the ones at V.B.S.,the soccer clinic,rec center summer camp or the policemans som who told me he loved me the other day as I held him in my arms so his father could go out and catch the bad guys?So if Mongo no longer posts, then I will ask you the same question Nambla. How much of your time and money have you given this last year to your community.Would you like to help coach a pop warner football team? Two evenings a week plus Saturday's for the next three months.We have a spot for you.Put your personage where your mouth is and do what you claim is important. Help the children.

Thats the problem here, it's mongo who posted, we can tell by the way he rants in his posts. Just too bad he has to resort to childish behaviors to TRY to get his moot point across. And by the way, great post!

mongo isn't posting
but, he did say:
<Mongo Lloyd wrote:>
"These DOPE GROWERS and DOPE DEALERS in Mendocino County HATE you and your children. This is what they think of YOU:
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/ukiah-daily...
That's right.'MOVE". "LEAVE". "Get out of OUR town". "Don't whine... MOVE".
These people do not want to live in peace with the good citizens. They do not want to grow "compassion" DOPE. They want to grow MASSIVE amounts of black market dope, for MASSIVE profits, and sell it to a market that provides it to children. YOUR children. Even THEIR children, as we have seen examples of in these theads.
The DOPE DEALERS and DOPE GROWERS do not want to get along. They want YOUR SILENCE, YOUR MONEY, and YOUR VOTE. Other than that, they have utter contempt for YOU. Look good people... we gave them everything they wanted. We gave them the right to have dope. We gave them the right to grow dope. How have they repaid our good faith efforts to compromise? They sold drugs to a black market, that sold it to our kids. They threatened us. They used coercion. Their drugs created crime waves, like this:
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/ukiah-daily...
and this:
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/ukiah-daily...
and THOUSANDS of other examples.
Their dope brought in gangs, which threaten EVERY citizen, and which vandalize properties.
These DOPE GROWERS and DEALERS have abused our goodwill. They have hurt our society. They have threatened our neighbors. They have cost us dearly, by jacking up electricy costs. Poisoned our soils and waters. Stole our waters, and excessively used ouur waters. They shoot at our FIREFIGHTERS.
Make no mistake: these DOPE GROWERS and DEALERS have nothing but contempt for you and yours."

Hello! Law enforcement! Any cops reading this?
You saw my posts a few days ago. Here is what I said:

<FB Grower wrote:>
"and y are u 2 at these clubs... u seem to see alot when it fits yer posting.
I sell to clubs and SWEAR TO GOD have never seen a kid in 1 in maybe 100 times in them "
I have admitted to selling drugs for a living, as you can see. It beats working, like you sorry morons have to do. I dare you to arrest me. I dare you! My attorney will make mincemeat out of you, I pay him so much drug money, he would bark if I commanded it.

Yes, I laugh at all you donut-munching oinkers... rolling through life's pigpen while I just gow dope that sells in the schoolyard. Hey... do your kids need some weed?

So Nambla, two places I see you posting. Still no answer about your community contributions.Could it be you really don't contribute, you know give of your hard earned time and money for nothing in return except a thank you.Give me a for instance Nambla. Tomorrow morning I will be at the Fort Bragg Rec Center,10:00 a.m. to help get my son and other children down to Jughandle park.Show up and show me your sincerity towards the children.The rec center needs help in getting the children to Jughandle.I will pay you your wages for the day and a hundred dollars for gas expense.

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/ukiah-daily... post #260
All non-drug people should read posts 233-258 in this thread. See for yourselves exactly how every marijuana discussion will go. Read the tactics listed in post #255 and others. This is exactly what you will get from drug dealers and dope growers.
They cannot and will not address the fact their their drugs enter an unregulated market right now, that sells it to children, and that some (many) children are not only exploited by these dope growers and dealers, but other adults who trade drugs for sex and money to support child users.
They will not address this point directly, without resorting to demagogy as listed in post #255.
Admitting that they contribute to this system would mean that they are contributing to the delinquency of minors, a form of child abuse. It would make them appear responsible.
As we all know, they are anything but.
As for the rest of this crud's demagogy, it has been addressed in the previous referenced thread, in the previous referenced post numbers. I invite all to see how EVERY drug conversation will go with these pot clowns.
As to this clowns assertions of my life, he has no clue. Furthermore, I know enough to gove out NO information, simply because these vultures prey on it, use it against you, and exploit it for what it is worth. MY LIFE isn't at issue. THEIR DRUGS are. Yet, to avoid, they change the topic. See the thread. It answers all... and remains unrefuted.

I will address the point directly. My marijuana does not enter an unregulated market. Every bit of it goes to a licensed and regulated medical marijuana club.That club has a permit from the city and county it is located in.It is located in an industrial zoned park in accordance with county zoning regulations specifically designed for dispensaries.They have a county business license,checking account,pay sales tax on every dollar that is transacted,file and pay income tax to the State of California and the Federal government,payroll taxes for their employees and carry workmens compensation on all of there employees. No customer is allowed in the store without a valid recommendation.There are strict limits on the amount purchased and times a customer may come into the store to eliminate resale possibilities.The county the dispensary resides in sends an officer to the store on a regular basis to check county code compliance.fFor you to say that I let my product enter into an unregulated market is a lie. For you to say that I contribute to the delinquency of minors is an additional lie.To say that I won't address the issue directly is another lie. As for the vague insinuation that by me asking you how much time you have given to your community in the last year, somehow puts you at risk, why that is just utterly laughable.What is there to prey on? Your kind volunteer work? Your selfless giving? Your the one avoiding.I don't believe that I have had to resort to name calling.Why would you have to call me a clown or a vulture?I posed a simple hypothesis,that possibly you might have not contributed.Still need help getting the kids to Jughandle. How sinister is that?

Obviously nambla... er mensa is speaking for him or her self. He avoided the FACT that the INDUSTRY'S dope enters the black market, flows to distributors, who distribute it to children. That is an undisputed fact. Yet, like an industry goon... they revert back to demagogy... "can you say ALL buds went to children" "how many buds DID go to children" etc.

Look... porn industry people support an industry that produces porn. The cameraman may not star in it, but his actions still support that industry. Ergo, pot growers support an industry that sells drugs to children. Fact is... this clown can't say where every bud he produces ends up. To sit her and contend otherwise is inane.

I guess the beer delivery guy is responsible for kids getting their hands on beer.

And the cashier/pharmacy tech is responsible for kids getting their hands on pharmaceuticals.

And the cashier at the grocery store who rings up the cigarettes is responsible for kids smoking cigs.

YOU WILL NEVER STOP DRUGS, BOOZE, TOBACCO FROM GETTING TO CHILDREN!

EDUCATION! EDUCATION! EDUCATION!

That is the answer.

Now the argument will of course be:
1. We don't hurt as many as the pharm industry
2. We don't hurt as many as alcohol
3. You must like kids
4. NORML says....
5. The report is false
6. The numbers dont add up
7. Mendocino's drugs don't get into that system
8. Others in society are far guiltier than we are
But... they will NEVER address the point: if they sell drugs to a black market that distributes drugs across the US, their drugs have contributed to the problem and therefore, they bear responsibility.
You will never hear it.

Fact is every liquor store owner doesn't sell booze to children but horrendous amounts still end up being drunk by minors. Fact is every pharmacist doesn't sell prescription drugs to children and yet many end up in their hands. Fact is every car manufacturer doesn't sell cars to minors and yet every year underage drivers get killed in automobiles. Fact is every cigarette maker doesn't sell to children and teenage smoking is rampant in our society. Fact is every food manufacturer doesn't sell unhealthy food to children and childhood obesity is an epidemic in our country. I certainly don't dispute that marijuana enters the black market and ends up in children's hands. But if your logic in the above post was correct I could apply it to just about everything manufactured and sold in the United States. Rec.Center, ten a.m. Prove how much you care for the children.

The key to raising successful kids is:

EDUCATION
EDUCATION
EDUCATION

Who can argue with that?

Oh please Reality Checker, haven't we discussed this logic stuff before. I thought we decided if was better to rant and name call? Let me try. UUHHH I don't want to talk about really helping the kids, ergo everybody else in these posts is a piece of "inserts name calling here". Education good, name calling bad.

Reality Avoider wrote:

Obviously nambla... er mensa is speaking for him or her self. He avoided the FACT that the INDUSTRY'S dope enters the black market, flows to distributors, who distribute it to children. That is an undisputed fact. Yet, like an industry goon... they revert back to demagogy... "can you say ALL buds went to children" "how many buds DID go to children" etc.
Look... porn industry people support an industry that produces porn. The cameraman may not star in it, but his actions still support that industry. Ergo, pot growers support an industry that sells drugs to children. Fact is... this clown can't say where every bud he produces ends up. To sit her and contend otherwise is inane.

Just like your name, you avoid reality.

reality checker wrote:

The key to raising successful kids is:
EDUCATION
EDUCATION
EDUCATION
Who can argue with that?

You want to raise successful kids? Does that go along with parental responsibility? Does that include hands on involvement in your child and other children's lives? You are right. Who can argue with that.

mensa wrote:

Fact is every liquor store owner doesn't sell booze to children but horrendous amounts still end up being drunk by minors. Fact is every pharmacist doesn't sell prescription drugs to children and yet many end up in their hands. Fact is every car manufacturer doesn't sell cars to minors and yet every year underage drivers get killed in automobiles. Fact is every cigarette maker doesn't sell to children and teenage smoking is rampant in our society. Fact is every food manufacturer doesn't sell unhealthy food to children and childhood obesity is an epidemic in our country. I certainly don't dispute that marijuana enters the black market and ends up in children's hands. But if your logic in the above post was correct I could apply it to just about everything manufactured and sold in the United States. Rec.Center, ten a.m. Prove how much you care for the children.

Fact is: liquor, pharm etc are regulated. Beyond that is parental responsibility. If liquor and pharm were black market, as YOUR DRUGS are... we would be discussing them instead of your drug, pot. Liquor and drug manufaturers are not getting children's lunch money in the schoolyards, unlike YOUR drug. Liquor and drug companies are taxed, unlike YOUR drug. Changing the subject to other drugs or alcohol does not dispute MY point in any way, shape or form. It merely avoids it. Here is the list of tactics:

Now the argument will of course be:
1. We don't hurt as many as the pharm industry
2. We don't hurt as many as alcohol
3. You must like kids
4. NORML says....
5. The report is false
6. The numbers dont add up
7. Mendocino's drugs don't get into that system
8. Others in society are far guiltier than we are
But... they will NEVER address the point: if they sell drugs to a black market that distributes drugs across the US, their drugs have contributed to the problem and therefore, they bear responsibility.
You will never hear it.

So far, you hit 1, 2, 7 and 8.

reality checker wrote:

<quoted text>
Just like your name, you avoid reality.

I have avoided NOTHING. I made one point, which you have yet to address beyond "education".

Not much of a response.

In addition, the conversation was taken to another thread. Pick one. I will be there.