Pot and law enforcement

"Medical Meth"
Meth has just as big a history, or bigger, in the medical world as pot does. Just like with pot, if we legalize meth all the problems associated with meth will disappear and the local cops will never have to come out of the doughnut shops.

Anybody going for votes should be pro "Med Meth" cause there’s already quite a few "Med Meth" people around here today. If we do away with the meth laws the number of "Med Meth" people will increase by the thousands. This would be a politicians dream.

When our kids become lethargic from “Med-Pot” we can give them "Med Meth" and when they get too high from "Med Meth" we can give them “Med-Pot” again. We can turn our kids into little cash cow yo-yos and make cash and tax profits no matter which way their going. When this “Med-Meth” concept catches on and extends across the country it can be worth billions too.

Our Sheriff can sell little “Med-Meth” bags with numbers on them for $25.00 a pop and make a couple a mill a year easy.

Anyway, what do you all think?

Watcher wrote:

"Medical Meth"
Meth has just as big a history, or bigger, in the medical world as pot does. Just like with pot, if we legalize meth all the problems associated with meth will disappear and the local cops will never have to come out of the doughnut shops.
Anybody going for votes should be pro "Med Meth" cause there’s already quite a few "Med Meth" people around here today. If we do away with the meth laws the number of "Med Meth" people will increase by the thousands. This would be a politicians dream.
When our kids become lethargic from “Med-Pot” we can give them "Med Meth" and when they get too high from "Med Meth" we can give them “Med-Pot” again. We can turn our kids into little cash cow yo-yos and make cash and tax profits no matter which way their going. When this “Med-Meth” concept catches on and extends across the country it can be worth billions too.
Our Sheriff can sell little “Med-Meth” bags with numbers on them for $25.00 a pop and make a couple a mill a year easy.
Anyway, what do you all think?

Children who are diagnosed with ADD or ADHD are prescribed legal speed. They call it Ritalin. maybe that is why amphetamines are a schedule 2 drug.

Lintott sold out the people Mendocino is what happened. Remember that registration program that Sheriff Craver started? The one to register medical grows, and certify them as being with county guidelines? Well Lintott recently handed that list over to the DEA. This whole "we aren't going after legit medical growers" line is a bunch of BS; that is EXACTLY who they are going after. It's shameful that Lintott would go after these people after they gave her their trust.

would like answers wrote:

I heard that the DEA busted a guy in Willits with 8 plants. The local police showed up, made a stink about why DEA was there. DEA told the cops that they (dea) knew one of the local officers' brother was a grower and would be raided in a few days. Cop tells brother to shout down. DEA shows up, no grow.
Can someone tell me what is up?

reality checker wrote:

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Children who are diagnosed with ADD or ADHD are prescribed legal speed. They call it Ritalin. maybe that is why amphetamines are a schedule 2 drug.

They're also allowed to consume caffinated beverages out of the school vending machines, even though it kills as many as 10,000 people a year. Ironically, that's as much as 5 times as many people dead from a legal stimulant than all other illegal drug deaths combined.

R Dobbs wrote:

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They're also allowed to consume caffinated beverages out of the school vending machines, even though it kills as many as 10,000 people a year. Ironically, that's as much as 5 times as many people dead from a legal stimulant than all other illegal drug deaths combined.

Thanks for that one too. Even the lunches in public schools are not healthy. Did you know you can kill someone with nicotine? and not just by long term smoking? actual nicotine in water, enough of it, can KILL you.

R Dobbs wrote:

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They're also allowed to consume caffinated beverages out of the school vending machines, even though it kills as many as 10,000 people a year. Ironically, that's as much as 5 times as many people dead from a legal stimulant than all other illegal drug deaths combined.

Holy smokes, of all the absurd comments around here, that one seemingly takes the cake. Where did you get those numbers? Let’s see...caffeine kills 10,000 people per year, while all illegal drugs only kill around 2,000 per year? Seriously??? No more tea for me!!

R Dobbs wrote:

Lintott sold out the people Mendocino is what happened. Remember that registration program that Sheriff Craver started? The one to register medical grows, and certify them as being with county guidelines? Well Lintott recently handed that list over to the DEA. This whole "we aren't going after legit medical growers" line is a bunch of BS; that is EXACTLY who they are going after. It's shameful that Lintott would go after these people after they gave her their trust.
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The whole "medical marijuana" industry is a scam, it is just amazing to me that the idiots were not smart enough to start yelling "medical," and "where's your damn compassion, man?"

Had enough yet, Mendocino? The Chinese Triads are moving in with la Eme and every piece of white trailer trash in the State, all to grow "medical" marijuana.

Face it. You all had a great thing going, a neat sideline income, and wanted legal insulation. So you created "medical marijuana." Of course, the law of unintended consequences brought you organized crime, disorganized crime, and violent crime (i.e. home invasion robberies). Was it really worth it?

TURN IN THE GROWERS TO THE FEDS, AND COLLECT A REWARD! IT'S FUN, EASY, PROFITABLE, AND THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

Parent of UHS students wrote:
Just because a MM grow is for profit, doesn't make it a crime per se. Read prop 215.

Designated caregivers are LEGALLY allowed to grow for MM patients and are LEGALLY allowed to receive compensation for their contribution.
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Typically, a grower doesn't know or care who the final smoker of their pot is. That’s how so much pot gets into our schools. Growers need to realize that ignorance and apathy are no defense or excuse. The vast majority of marijuana never sees a pot dispensary.

When a grower ends up with between 50 and 500 pounds or more of pot for sale, typically a deal is made between them and someone from out of town, a major city, this person picks it up and takes it away in what ever size chunks they can handle. There is never any conversation as to where it's going.

The grower never voices any preference or restrictions as to the dispensation of the pot. The growers don't care as long as they get their money. I have never heard a grower say; “Now this ain’t going to schools right?” This bulk buyer then take what they bought and sells it 1 to 4 pounds at a time, typically through school kids to school kids.

The amount of pot grown today far surpassed what I loosely call the "adult grab" years ago. Many of the growers ship 10 to 20 pounds at a time through UPS or US postal Service. And many time cash is shipped back in packets. This is how our schools get flooded with pot.

The pot industry is operated by drug dealers not pharmacists. And it's all about money from any source, not medicine from sick people.

How do I know this you ask? As a builder in this area I have seen all this go down hundreds of times.

would like answers wrote:

I heard that the DEA busted a guy in Willits with 8 plants. The local police showed up, made a stink about why DEA was there. DEA told the cops that they (dea) knew one of the local officers' brother was a grower and would be raided in a few days. Cop tells brother to shout down. DEA shows up, no grow.
Can someone tell me what is up?

In conjunction its Investigation and Prosecution effort in Mendocino, the IRS is offering rewards to informants on those marijuana cultivators evading taxes in violation of the Money Laundering Control Act of 1986 and section 6050 of the Internal Revenue Code. Anonymous tips can be submitted to the IRS High Intensity Money Laundering and Related Financial Crime (HIFCA)Task Force at www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement .

How to claim a reward:

IRS Publication 733 details the regulations for claiming a reward. You must complete IRS Form 211. Your information can be delivered personally to any IRS office, or you can write to:

Head of the Criminal Investigation Division
Internal Revenue Service
Washington, DC 20224

If a recovery is made as a direct result of information you provided, you may qualify for a reward of 15% of the amount recovered including taxes, fines and penalties, but not interest -- with a maximum payment of $2 million.

If your information was valuable, although not specific, in determining liability, you may be rewarded with as much as 10% of the amount recovered, again with a $2 million cap.

If your information was the originating cause of the investigation, but had no direct relationship to the determination of tax liability, the reward is 1% of the amount recovered, again with that $2 million limit.

Using an assumed name
If you're not claiming a reward for the information, you can use an assumed name. But if you want to claim a reward, you must use your own name. The IRS is legally prohibited from disclosing the identity of an informer to unauthorized persons.

While I do not agree with informing to authorities in general, I think the time has come to clean up the "medical marijuana" scammers in California. Based upon the recent uptick in raids, it is clear that the Feds are targeting Mendocino this year, as they really should. I heard the Feds are looking hard at Covelo this year, especially the Mina Road area and old Bauer Ranch, as well as Willits. Ujiah obviously is also in the cross hairs.

In So Cal, they offered cash rewards for tips last year. It resulted in a huge take from forfeited property. Agents are now flooding Mendocino, the informants were in place last year. About time you guys get smart and start cashing in.

Reality Check wrote:

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Holy smokes, of all the absurd comments around here, that one seemingly takes the cake. Where did you get those numbers? Let’s see...caffeine kills 10,000 people per year, while all illegal drugs only kill around 2,000 per year? Seriously??? No more tea for me!!

"Number of American deaths per year that result directly or primarily from the following selected causes nationwide, according to World Almanacs, Life Insurance Actuarial (death) Rates, and the last 20 years of U.S. Surgeon Generals' reports:

TOBACCO: 340,000 to 450,000

ALCOHOL (Not including 50% of all highway deaths and 65% of all murders): 150,000+

ASPIRIN (Including deliberate overdose): 180 to 1,000+

CAFFEINE (From stress, ulcers, and triggering irregular heartbeats, etc.): 1,000 to 10,000

LEGAL DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from legal, prescribed or patent medicines and/or mixing with alcohol - e.g. Valium/alcohol: 14,000 to 27,000

ILLICIT DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from all illegal drugs: 3,800 to 5,200"

MARIJUANA: 0

Marijuana users also have the same or lower incidence of murders and highway deaths and accidents than the general non-marijuana using population as a whole. Crancer Study, UCLA; U.S. Funded ($6 million), First & Second Jamaican Studies, 1968 to 1974; Costa Rican Studies, 1980 to 1982; et al."

So on an average year legal drugs kill 600,000+ people, while llegal drugs kill around 4,000-5,000. Ponder that one for a bit...

R Dobbs wrote:

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"Number of American deaths per year that result directly or primarily from the following selected causes nationwide, according to World Almanacs, Life Insurance Actuarial (death) Rates, and the last 20 years of U.S. Surgeon Generals' reports:
TOBACCO: 340,000 to 450,000
ALCOHOL (Not including 50% of all highway deaths and 65% of all murders): 150,000+
ASPIRIN (Including deliberate overdose): 180 to 1,000+
CAFFEINE (From stress, ulcers, and triggering irregular heartbeats, etc.): 1,000 to 10,000
LEGAL DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from legal, prescribed or patent medicines and/or mixing with alcohol - e.g. Valium/alcohol: 14,000 to 27,000
ILLICIT DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from all illegal drugs: 3,800 to 5,200"
MARIJUANA: 0
Marijuana users also have the same or lower incidence of murders and highway deaths and accidents than the general non-marijuana using population as a whole. Crancer Study, UCLA; U.S. Funded ($6 million), First & Second Jamaican Studies, 1968 to 1974; Costa Rican Studies, 1980 to 1982; et al."
So on an average year legal drugs kill 600,000+ people, while llegal drugs kill around 4,000-5,000. Ponder that one for a bit...

Exactly!

Don’t you hate it when people on these boards who oppose your position twist numbers and compare apples and oranges to try and justify their positions? I’m sure you do, but here you have done the same.

APPLES: The caffeine deaths are the result of accumulated effects and likely have other contributing influences (stress, ulcers, and triggering irregular heartbeats, etc.)

ORANGES: The illicit drug deaths are immediate (overdoses).

I’m sure that illicit drugs also result in a significant number of deaths due to their cumulative effects that are not reflected in your “numbers”.

Additionally, the number ranges do not nearly reflect the “nearly 5 times” rate you put forth.

Truth in disclosure makes your arguments much more credible. Manipulation makes your argument...

Reality Check wrote:

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Exactly!
Don’t you hate it when people on these boards who oppose your position twist numbers and compare apples and oranges to try and justify their positions? I’m sure you do, but here you have done the same.
APPLES: The caffeine deaths are the result of accumulated effects and likely have other contributing influences (stress, ulcers, and triggering irregular heartbeats, etc.)
ORANGES: The illicit drug deaths are immediate (overdoses).
I’m sure that illicit drugs also result in a significant number of deaths due to their cumulative effects that are not reflected in your “numbers”.
Additionally, the number ranges do not nearly reflect the “nearly 5 times” rate you put forth.
Truth in disclosure makes your arguments much more credible. Manipulation makes your argument...

OK, so it's closer to 2-3 times as many than 5 times as this will vary form year to year; ya got me on that one.

However, the deaths from cumulative effects due to illegal drugs ARE included in these numbers, as they are included on the legal drug numbers as well. For example, the alcohol stats include deaths form direct overdose as well as those from cumulative affects.

The fact remains however that illicit drugs just don't kill that many people when compared to the legal ones.

Anyone can play the devils advocate on any issue. Numbers can be manipulated and polls are dependent on the bias of the ones that pay for them. Both sides can throw around all of the numbers that they want but what it will ultimately come down to is the truth and conscious (not to be confused with compassion and greed).

I prefer to speak from my own experience, and not that of the minion payed by others in an attempt to assuage myself from the guilt of any and all criminal and immoral actions.

R Dobbs wrote:

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OK, so it's closer to 2-3 times as many than 5 times as this will vary form year to year; ya got me on that one.
However, the deaths from cumulative effects due to illegal drugs ARE included in these numbers, as they are included on the legal drug numbers as well. For example, the alcohol stats include deaths form direct overdose as well as those from cumulative affects.
The fact remains however that illicit drugs just don't kill that many people when compared to the legal ones.

How do you figure the cumulative effect deaths are included? The numbers you provided clearly state “Illicit Drug Overdoses”. Overdoses, not deaths due to stress, ulcers, irregular heartbeats, etc. Overdoses. Apples and Oranges. Please read your own stuff.

The range of Caffeine deaths is 1-10K. Very nice range for you, easy to manipulate. For me, I could say at the low end, illicit drug overdoses are 3.8 times higher than the cumulative effects of caffeine killing someone.

It sure is you good you’re able to throw in Tobacco into your numbers huh?

My point is that everyone wants to talk about the hysterics of those opposing pot, and you come back with hysterics about caffeine by misrepresentation and exaggeration??? Again, not a great tactic to impress credibility.

Because if an illicit drug is involved even if there are other factors, it's ruled as an "overdose." For example, many overdoses cause hear failures, but they aren't ruled as heart failures, they're ruled as overdoses.

The fact remains that caffine still kills more people on average than all illegal drugs combined.

R Dobbs wrote:

Because if an illicit drug is involved even if there are other factors, it's ruled as an "overdose." For example, many overdoses cause hear failures, but they aren't ruled as heart failures, they're ruled as overdoses.
The fact remains that caffine still kills more people on average than all illegal drugs combined.

Whatever. You just keep taking your erroneous information and misrepresentation and just keep repeating it. Eventually it will become truth right? At least you can’t say the Bush Administration didn’t teach you anything.

You are really trying to tell us that an individual who stressed their body with cocaine use for 30 years, stayed clean for the final 10 years of their life and dies from a heart attack is considered to have died from an illicit drug overdosed???

There’s quite a bit of difference between pharmaceutical Ritalin and today’s street meth.

Reality Check wrote:

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Whatever. You just keep taking your erroneous information and misrepresentation and just keep repeating it. Eventually it will become truth right? At least you can’t say the Bush Administration didn’t teach you anything.
You are really trying to tell us that an individual who stressed their body with cocaine use for 30 years, stayed clean for the final 10 years of their life and dies from a heart attack is considered to have died from an illicit drug overdosed???

Now your just trying to misrepresent what I said. When this theoretical person died, of course it wouldn't be considered an overdose, because they weren't using at the time. If they had been, then that's a different story, and it would most likely be ruled an overdose.

You can try and mince my words all you want but the fact remains that legal drugs are far more dangerous and lethal than most illegal drugs and kill hundreds of thousands more people each year.

R Dobbs wrote:

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Now your just trying to misrepresent what I said. When this theoretical person died, of course it wouldn't be considered an overdose, because they weren't using at the time. If they had been, then that's a different story, and it would most likely be ruled an overdose.
You can try and mince my words all you want but the fact remains that legal drugs are far more dangerous and lethal than most illegal drugs and kill hundreds of thousands more people each year.

No, I’m trying to ensure you don’t influence others through misrepresentation. If you present the facts objectively, I have no issue.

My hypothetical illicit drug death is inline with the caffeine deaths in your numbers. The deaths there weren’t from caffeine overdoses, they were due to cumulative effects on the body from caffeine use, therefore not comparable to the drug overdoses you are trying to compare.

You get the "hundreds" of thousands by incorporating tobacco deaths. Are those overdoses?

You can't deny that the 30 years of cocaine use didn't contribute to my individual’s death can you? Where is that represented?