Fatal shooting near Laytonville

anb wrote:

<quoted text> How long ago was that? Yeah, too long ago. Why don't we talk about what happened 100 years ago- like that really says much about the citizens living in that area today. Try to be a little more relative timewise if you're making a judgement on today's society.

anb, I was responding to someone who asked where Woodman Canyon was.........What I want to talk about on a blog is freedom of choice...you have no right to tell me I can't. As far as judging today's "society" on Woodman Canyon...I go back to my scanner comment...at least I was listening you are busy trying to defend nothing with airbrush dearie........no nothing, opine everything, suppose ..........suppose...

wiseinfive wrote:

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anb, I was responding to someone who asked where Woodman Canyon was.........What I want to talk about on a blog is freedom of choice...you have no right to tell me I can't. As far as judging today's "society" on Woodman Canyon...I go back to my scanner comment...at least I was listening you are busy trying to defend nothing with airbrush dearie........no nothing, opine everything, suppose ..........suppose...

My apologies. I am honestly trying to remain neutral on this issue until the whole investigation is finished, and until the trial (expected) is over. When things like this happen in one's own area it's easy to get defensive when stereotypes start coming. I'm really not out to make enemies in this forum. Not that you've stereotyped, but many do and sometimes we find ourselves on guard. Sorry.

MissMaam wrote:

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It is actually wierd that he did something like that. I have known him through other aquaintances and have never known him to be violent. But then again, he obviously was that kind of person. I find it sad. He has always seemed so mild, anytime I was ever around him. It is hard to imagine it. Obviously he had a side to him, that I have never seen.

I find this story very sad too.

It sounds like the man was very drunk since he was found passed out. He may have been in an alcoholic blackout and won't even remember why he shot the gun. It's a terrible tragedy.

My condolences to the family and friends of the young man who was killed.

MissMaam wrote:

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And I hope all those little turd heads running around selling extacy, there, realize they are part of that bad reputation. I know this is not the subject you are discussing, and I'm sorry, but there are people's children getting bombed out of their brains as we speak, on this "Thizz" crap! google exstacy, and see if you like what it says. A kid can take 1 hit, and fall to the ground,and die if they don't react well to it. I see no difference between a drunk guy murdering some other guy, or one kid giving another kid enough exstacy to permanently fry their brains, or kill them insantly. either way it is murder. The cops need to start stopping these guys. A good majority of them I know for sure drive with it stashed in their door panels, etc...These kids have no supervision, and nothing fun to do.

Where are the parents? You don't suppose any of them are dope growers do you?

The childrens parents range from rich upstanding citizens to poor single mothers, and everything in between. I am trying to say it could be anyone's kids. Maybe some of them are "dope" growers, but a lot of them are just pre occupied, not paying attention to the dealings of their children. Rich, and poor alike.

anb wrote:

<quoted text>I had the same impression. Makes me wonder if maybe it could've been self defense. Just a thought.

And it is a good thought. Usually a drunk person responds poorly to the situations around them, perhaps he percieved it as something he needed to defend himself against. Chances are if the guy who was shot, was even there, that means Terry must have trusted him in some way or another, and that means that the problem could have came from a mere drunken argument. It is too early to prove that it had anything to do with the pot plants. I think that he must have had some kind of reason to think his only option was to shoot the guy. I know that he has never been a violent man, and has always been very kind to my family. He was not a man of many words, but he was no monster. I am saddened by the whole thing. I think there was a genuine problem that occured, and the pot plants were mere coincidence, as most people in Laytonville grow, it is not unlikely. I am aware that some people may not agree with my theory, but it is all in speculation, I mean no harm. I do not want conflict, just stating my thoughts on the matter.

MissMaam wrote:

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And it is a good thought. Usually a drunk person responds poorly to the situations around them, perhaps he percieved it as something he needed to defend himself against. Chances are if the guy who was shot, was even there, that means Terry must have trusted him in some way or another, and that means that the problem could have came from a mere drunken argument. It is too early to prove that it had anything to do with the pot plants. I think that he must have had some kind of reason to think his only option was to shoot the guy. I know that he has never been a violent man, and has always been very kind to my family. He was not a man of many words, but he was no monster. I am saddened by the whole thing. I think there was a genuine problem that occured, and the pot plants were mere coincidence, as most people in Laytonville grow, it is not unlikely. I am aware that some people may not agree with my theory, but it is all in speculation, I mean no harm. I do not want conflict, just stating my thoughts on the matter.

Yes, I agree. I know alcohol distorts one's ability to make clear judgement and unfortuanately often times poor and irrational decisions. I appreciate your thoughts. I believe the same. It's too bad the ramifications from this incident will have such a detremental impact no matter how it's looked at.

MissMaam wrote:

The childrens parents range from rich upstanding citizens to poor single mothers, and everything in between. I am trying to say it could be anyone's kids. Maybe some of them are "dope" growers, but a lot of them are just pre occupied, not paying attention to the dealings of their children. Rich, and poor alike.

Yes, I believe a lot of the parents of kids who do drugs grow pot, but parents who grow pot for whatever reason doesn't necessarily lead to kids doing "drugs", in fact, the majority of parents of kids who do drugs do not grow pot as the teen drug problem exists in cities throughout the country. There are many contributing factors to drug abuse in kids including poverty, single-parenting, lack of or poor parenting skills, overly permissive parenting, alcoholism and abuse in the family... genetic suseptibility, social influence and psychological issues. These kids are at risk! It's true that parents need to monitor their kids' activities and friends as peers have a HUGE influence on teenage behavior. Unsupervised teens are far more likely to get into trouble. Positive adult role models are protective against use and abuse. POT is not the culpret. Educating kids and being a positive role model is the key. This does not necessarily mean that one parent should push their standards on another. However, diplomatic and caring suggestions should be shared between parents. Just my opinion there.

where does it say he was drunk? i saw "intoxicated". i have always believed in the right to protect ones property. however if i ever had to protect my property and use that right and killed someone in the process, no matter how much i hated them, i would be devastated. i'd probably try to commit suicide cause i'd know i'd be in jail for a really long time and couldn't live with the guilt of knowing i ended someone elses life. maybe that was the path he was taking.

Dear Babygirl,
I have now heard the rumors of other people being there to witness the murder. I also understand that a female witness made several phone calls to that effect, and then she called everyone back and said nevermind they weren't there. I suspect you fall into one of these two positions, don't you?
Well, to the people who saw Sean murdered and to those who recieved phone calls- now is the time to come forward. The police have this info too, and it is just a matter of time before those traced calls lead to you. Wouldn't it be better to share what you know over the phone than to have them knocking on your door with those questions?
I have also heard the theory it was the others at Terry's house that did it, maybe that is true, or maybe they conspired together, time will tell. But if you are an innocent bystander who witnessed a horrible tradgedy, now your chance to tell what you saw before Terry points the finger in your direction and you take the blame.
Sean Piper was a good man and justice will be served. He was not a thief or any of the other horrible things people are trying to say about him. It is shocking how many people want to trash the victim of a brutal/gruesome/bloody murder. I have faith the whole truth will come out and you need not feel guilt coming forward to help this family. Please call Srgt.Greg Van Patton and leave a message because he never picks up the phone.

A life has been ended. A life that cannot be given back or exchanged. A life that was important, not only to the one who lost it, but to MANY. That life belonged to a dear friend of mine. His name was Sean Piper. Sean was a kind, intelligent, funny, sensitive young man with a lifetime still to live. Now his sly smile, his joyful personality, his engaging presence, everything about him good and bad, his very essence..... all of it that was my friend.. is gone from this world. Not gone away for awhile, not gone on a long trip, just... gone. F-----g gone. FOREVER. It is truly a tragic thing that has happened. He will be missed by MANY. He will be missed by me. He'll be remembered always.
Via con Dios, Piper.
To those who didn't know Sean this was just another throw-away news story not even fit for the front page. It will be forgotten faster than McCain's last speech or Paris' last boyfriend. But not to me. Not ever. That's the difference.

To all these yahoos with nothing better to do than spend endless hours on the computer slandering and generalizing about real people and actual situations they know nothing about... let 'em. To be that small.... how sad for them. It doesn't bother me what is said in these pages of nothing. I just thought that wherever my friend's name was written about negatively, there should at least be also some record of the actual real person that he truly was. Someone good. Someone who certainly did not deserve to die. I won't taint his memory any further by contributing anything more to this forum. Just lastly, Sean, you were loved and you will be sorely missed by those who loved you.
Peace to you my Brother.
-SP

friendtosean wrote:

Dear Babygirl,
I have now heard the rumors of other people being there to witness the murder. I also understand that a female witness made several phone calls to that effect, and then she called everyone back and said nevermind they weren't there. I suspect you fall into one of these two positions, don't you?
Well, to the people who saw Sean murdered and to those who recieved phone calls- now is the time to come forward. The police have this info too, and it is just a matter of time before those traced calls lead to you. Wouldn't it be better to share what you know over the phone than to have them knocking on your door with those questions?
I have also heard the theory it was the others at Terry's house that did it, maybe that is true, or maybe they conspired together, time will tell. But if you are an innocent bystander who witnessed a horrible tradgedy, now your chance to tell what you saw before Terry points the finger in your direction and you take the blame.
Sean Piper was a good man and justice will be served. He was not a thief or any of the other horrible things people are trying to say about him. It is shocking how many people want to trash the victim of a brutal/gruesome/bloody murder. I have faith the whole truth will come out and you need not feel guilt coming forward to help this family. Please call Srgt.Greg Van Patton and leave a message because he never picks up the phone.

You shouldn't be shocked over people trashing the victim it happens all the time. Since my son was murdered and also trashed I have met dozens of moms who tell stories about how their son or daughter was trashed in the same way. Not only buy idiot people who didn't even know them but once the case goes to court the defense does the same. Doesn't matter to them if what they are stating as fact is a lie (that they know is a lie) or not they will do anything to try to get the murderer off.

I cannot believe all I have read. MJ,Alchol,Guns, Bullets and how many plants are allowed. Listen to the callousness of your statements. This man has been murdered, why, is not the concern. He was murdered people, he is DEAD. He has a mother and father. Probably siblings and other relatives. He was a human being. Insteaad of argueing about him being a **** , which you don't know obviously by your conversations Why don't you grieve for the family and tell them how sorry you are for their loss. Then ask God for forgiveness. How you judge, he will judge you.

To Jimmy's Mom... I AM sorry you lost your son.. but what about what Jimmy did to Mike's Mom? Where is the justice there? Is there any justice? Anywhere?

Mikes Friend wrote:

To Jimmy's Mom... I AM sorry you lost your son.. but what about what Jimmy did to Mike's Mom? Where is the justice there? Is there any justice? Anywhere?

The one and only thing Jimmy did to Michael's mother was to throw her off of his back, she jumped him from behind he didn't even know who was jumping on him. Male or Female. Jim wasn't the type of guy to kick and beat a woman. The most he ever did was push a woman back for getting into his face. If in fact Jim had done all that has been stated Kelly Marlin would have needed medical attention, a 210 lb man kicking a woman in the face would make a mess of her face don't you think? And even if it had happened that way Michael Murderer Marlin didn't give justice a chance he chose to murder my son instead.

Mikes Friend wrote:

To Jimmy's Mom... I AM sorry you lost your son.. but what about what Jimmy did to Mike's Mom? Where is the justice there? Is there any justice? Anywhere?

This thread is not about Jim it is about Sean.
If you have issues to discuss about Jim you can to the thread about Jim.

I would like to send my condolences to the family and friends of Sean. God be with you on this journey.

Mikes Friend wrote:

To Jimmy's Mom... I AM sorry you lost your son.. but what about what Jimmy did to Mike's Mom? Where is the justice there? Is there any justice? Anywhere?

I think many people have come to the conclusion that perhaps she should have minded her buisness. Her son is gone, and so is someone else's.

If you want to talk about it, I'm sure there are plenty of people in the forum called:

ukiah man convicted of killing willits resident.

I'm sure you know that though.

but good luck gettin a word in edgewise over in those parts.

MissMaam wrote:

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I think many people have come to the conclusion that perhaps she should have minded her buisness. Her son is gone, and so is someone else's.

Proving there is no justice. None.