Opposes Measure B

UDJ... thanks for the Editor's note!

Hope that shuts you up Chuck!

Up-chuck... hee hee.

truth hurts!

why do you want me to shut up?

Editor Meadows ignores eye witness testimony of neighbor to fraudulent "toxic waste dump" photo description by County HAZmat worker. The official version makes NO sense- no one would put an EXIT pipe in a tank for oil disposal into a creek. There are LOTs and LOTS of rural septic tanks with rotting wooden lids around the county. Imaginative Narcs can call them any thing they like and get away with it. I once almost stepped through the top of one at my OWN house - but replaced that old rotten plywood with a disused metal bathtub over the inspection hatch.

The neighbor does not believe oil was ever put in there. He thinks DOWNPRESSER MAN is LYING - everyone who has ever co-existed with a septic tank knows you don't put oil in there, it will kill off the digestive organisms.

do you want me to shut up because that tank belongs to a friend of your's whom you dont want in trouble with the health department?

Ukiah_Mom wrote:

UDJ... thanks for the Editor's note!
Hope that shuts you up Chuck!
Up-chuck... hee hee.

I M Paranoic wrote:

Editor Meadows ignores eye witness testimony of neighbor to fraudulent "toxic waste dump" photo description by County HAZmat worker. The official version makes NO sense- no one would put an EXIT pipe in a tank for oil disposal into a creek. There are LOTs and LOTS of rural septic tanks with rotting wooden lids around the county. Imaginative Narcs can call them any thing they like and get away with it. I once almost stepped through the top of one at my OWN house - but replaced that old rotten plywood with a disused metal bathtub over the inspection hatch.
The neighbor does not believe oil was ever put in there. He thinks DOWNPRESSER MAN is LYING - everyone who has ever co-existed with a septic tank knows you don't put oil in there, it will kill off the digestive organisms.

Well this is nothing new. KC Meadows & the rest of the No on B Collation will say and do anything, no matter how fraudulent, to try and scare people into voting for B. It's propaganda, plain and simple.

i understand why they dont report their friend to the health dept. it would be like turning someone in for pot.

no on measure B
Measure B is un-Mendocino!

*RENO, Nev.- A coalition of religious leaders made a moral case Tuesday for legalizing the sale and possession of up to 1 ounce of marijuana for adults in Nevada while stiffening penalties for sales to youths and driving under the influence.

*Illinois - Illinois' latest attempt to legalize medical marijuana is getting support from a surprising source � religious leaders.

"The moral issue is relief of suffering,'' said the Rev. D. Jay Johnson of the Union Avenue Christian Church in Litchfield

*"Protestant, Catholic and Jewish Clergy Speak Out Against The War On Drugs." In the documentary produced, in cooperation with the Interfaith Drug Policy Initiative, by Mike Gray; author, film maker, and Common Sense for Drug Policy Chairman. "I would say that the war on drugs has caused as much devastation to communities around this country, particularly low income communities, as the drugs themselves," laments Rabbi Michael Feinberg.

It's really worse than that: "Drug prohibition causes more pain, suffering and death than the drugs themselves." Cries Howard Wooldridge of LEAP, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. Watch the LEAP video, "End Prohibition Now!"

saundra richards wrote:

*RENO, Nev.- A coalition of religious leaders made a moral case Tuesday for legalizing the sale and possession of up to 1 ounce of marijuana for adults in Nevada while stiffening penalties for sales to youths and driving under the influence.
*Illinois - Illinois' latest attempt to legalize medical marijuana is getting support from a surprising source � religious leaders.
"The moral issue is relief of suffering,'' said the Rev. D. Jay Johnson of the Union Avenue Christian Church in Litchfield
*"Protestant, Catholic and Jewish Clergy Speak Out Against The War On Drugs." In the documentary produced, in cooperation with the Interfaith Drug Policy Initiative, by Mike Gray; author, film maker, and Common Sense for Drug Policy Chairman. "I would say that the war on drugs has caused as much devastation to communities around this country, particularly low income communities, as the drugs themselves," laments Rabbi Michael Feinberg.
It's really worse than that: "Drug prohibition causes more pain, suffering and death than the drugs themselves." Cries Howard Wooldridge of LEAP, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. Watch the LEAP video, "End Prohibition Now!"

Dear Saundra,
All of the Yes on B people that I know support medical marijuana. Measure B is about stoping the abuse of medical marijuana by commercial growers. Don't believe the lies of the anti-bees. The pit on Shimmins Ridge tested positive for oil. The pipe discharded into the pit which is 200 feet from the river, not directly into the stream. The growers ran the oil into the pit because it was easy for them. Out of sight out of mind. The growers targeted by Measure B have no environmental ethic and it is time to shut them down. Vote "YES" on B to stop the environmental abuse.

Well,now, there is proof that the no on b coalition is laced mith Lies, misconceptions, false innuendo and deception.
CONGRATULATIONS No on B Coalition, you forced Tom Allman to choose the Yes on B side because you tried todeceive the public with your little flyer, hoping people wouldn/t read the fine print.

Keep your propoganda coming fools, you are to stoned to keep it truthful and honest.

Then there is Live and Let Live.... You stated that you sued Prop B and tried to get a TRO. Are you the long lost son of James Kinder? If you want to "Live and let Live" why not let the peoples voice be heard instead of suing us out of OUR say? I know, I know you only allow freedom of speech if it concurs with your own greed filled agenda. You are an I D I O T !!!

VOTE YES on B wrote:

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Dear Saundra,
All of the Yes on B people that I know support medical marijuana. Measure B is about stoping the abuse of medical marijuana by commercial growers. Don't believe the lies of the anti-bees. The pit on Shimmins Ridge tested positive for oil. The pipe discharded into the pit which is 200 feet from the river, not directly into the stream. The growers ran the oil into the pit because it was easy for them. Out of sight out of mind. The growers targeted by Measure B have no environmental ethic and it is time to shut them down. Vote "YES" on B to stop the environmental abuse.

I getchya, I just don't think measure B will be effective in the areas it needs to most. I despise polluters, and violence and agree that something needs to be done.
I appreciate responding to a post like yours without the namecalling and exaggerations. Good luck to you.

saundra richards wrote:

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I getchya, I just don't think measure B will be effective in the areas it needs to most. I despise polluters, and violence and agree that something needs to be done.
I appreciate responding to a post like yours without the namecalling and exaggerations. Good luck to you.

Saundra, Measure B will be effective in shutting down the large growers and others who are harming the environment or endangering public safety. The large growers only moved here because Measure G and the way it was interpreted created a wild west atmosphere of anything goes.

Measure B will reverse the perception that we are easy pickings for large growers. Commercial growers who stack cards will also be subject to scrutiny if the cards are really just a cover for commercial growing.

And the 25 plant grows that are ruining life for the neighbors will be cut down to six which will at least lessen the negative impacts. The rights of patients will still be protected because they can have more than the state limits if their physician says they need it.

Many of us believe that marijuana should be legalized and regulated like alcohol or cigarettes, but that is not currently possible because of federal prohibition.

Measure B is the best solution available to us. Please Vote YES on B. Thank you.

either way it goes we will see things we expected and things we did not, I am voting no on B, but thanks for the info...

VOTE YES on B wrote:

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Saundra, Measure B will be effective in shutting down the large growers and others who are harming the environment or endangering public safety.

But we have laws already in place to deal with those issues, how does B change what we already have in place?

VOTE YES on B wrote:

<quoted text>Measure B will reverse the perception that we are easy pickings for large growers. Commercial growers who stack cards will also be subject to scrutiny if the cards are really just a cover for commercial growing.

So, if you change the "perception" the problem goes away? How? You don't make sense.

[QUOTE who="VOTE YES on B"]<quoted text>And the 25 plant grows that are ruining life for the neighbors will be cut down to six which will at least lessen the negative impacts. The rights of patients will still be protected because they can have more than the state limits if their physician says they need it.

If the smell is the negative impact, won't there be smell year round from patients who now need 4 grow cycles inseatd of 1? and doesn't 4 grow cycles mean you are at 4 times the risk of home invasion, not to mention the increase in power consumption?

VOTE YES on B wrote:

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Saundra, Measure B will be effective in shutting down the large growers and others who are harming the environment or endangering public safety. The large growers only moved here because Measure G and the way it was interpreted created a wild west atmosphere of anything goes.
Measure B will reverse the perception that we are easy pickings for large growers. Commercial growers who stack cards will also be subject to scrutiny if the cards are really just a cover for commercial growing.
And the 25 plant grows that are ruining life for the neighbors will be cut down to six which will at least lessen the negative impacts. The rights of patients will still be protected because they can have more than the state limits if their physician says they need it.
Many of us believe that marijuana should be legalized and regulated like alcohol or cigarettes, but that is not currently possible because of federal prohibition.
Measure B is the best solution available to us. Please Vote YES on B. Thank you.

Explain to me how specifically targeting people who grow 25 plants or less or who grow for medical purposes is an effective way of shutting down big grow ops.

I'm not denying that there are some growers out there who endanger public safety and harm the environment, and this is a real concern. However, this problems are NOT being caused by medical grows or by people growing a few plants for personal use. They are being cause by the people running generators 24/7 and growing hundreds if not thousands of plants. They have been breaking the law this whole time. They will continue to do so even if B passes. Diverting LEO's away from catching these criminals to go after people growing a dozen plants in their backyard just does not make any sense.

As for the card stacking issue - you can't grow more than 25 plants a parcel anyway (currently what is covered by one medical recommendation). If someone is card-stacking, then it is an illegal grow, plain and simple. Again, B will do nothing to change this, as it is ALREADY illegal.

Measure B simply does not address the issue of commercial cultivation. It was well intentioned, but it was very poorly thought out and will do nothing to fix these problems. Vote no on B - we need a real solution, not a political smoke screen.

Think wrote:

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Explain to me how specifically targeting people who grow 25 plants or less or who grow for medical purposes is an effective way of shutting down big grow ops.
I'm not denying that there are some growers out there who endanger public safety and harm the environment, and this is a real concern. However, this problems are NOT being caused by medical grows or by people growing a few plants for personal use. They are being cause by the people running generators 24/7 and growing hundreds if not thousands of plants. They have been breaking the law this whole time. They will continue to do so even if B passes. Diverting LEO's away from catching these criminals to go after people growing a dozen plants in their backyard just does not make any sense.
As for the card stacking issue - you can't grow more than 25 plants a parcel anyway (currently what is covered by one medical recommendation). If someone is card-stacking, then it is an illegal grow, plain and simple. Again, B will do nothing to change this, as it is ALREADY illegal.
Measure B simply does not address the issue of commercial cultivation. It was well intentioned, but it was very poorly thought out and will do nothing to fix these problems. Vote no on B - we need a real solution, not a political smoke screen.

Simple. The laws the commercial growers are violating will no longer be the "lowest priority" for enforcement and prosecution.

It's the intermingling of things that is the real issue in the Measure B people's arguments, IMHO, that makes it so compelling.

But it seems to shake out this way:

There are BIG commercial grows going on all around here damaging all sorts of things and endangering us in many ways.

These aren't actually addressed by either measure.

There are very complex individual grows going on all over pushing envelopes but which ARE founded on the idea of a medical grow. There are cards to accompany them. These aren't being handled in a very responsible way by the current administration, which could be using them to SET PRECEDENT, but instead, are being used haphazardly and sloppily in a grandstanding manner (and one for which I support recall of DA Lintott because of).

These limits are actually addressed by Measure G, which gives power to the Supervisors to regulate the 215 'market'. They have set regulations, but for some reason (incompetence) the DA isn't actually doing much on that front.

Since Measure G is a vote to delegate the power to regulate, and it WAS enacted by a vote of the people, it DOES supersede 215 in that respect (while 420 didn't).

SB 420's limits were recently overturned, but none of it's other clauses were invalidated.

Measure B SPECIFICALLY states that the limits are to be the limits in 420.

Ergo, today, a vote for B is a vote to take limits off, entirely (no count, no canopy, no wattage, NOTHING).

Er, Vote for B?

;)

Just kidding. I really DO favor rule-of-law. We have one now. We just have a bunch of ****-heads in office (all the way down the line, IMHO).

Instead of trying to do a cutting-edge thing here, we are re-fighting Nixon's 'War on Drugs'.

No on B, Yes on Pot Bloc.

REDNECKS AGAINST B wrote:

yes on measure B
Measure B is un-Mendocino!

YOU are UN-Mendocino. Buy some land. Pay the taxes. Find aszholes trespassing on your land and bringing the cops and the environmental marshalls chasing after them, and blaming you. You'll be acuitted, but it'll cost you $2500 just to defense your case.

You lolo okole, you don't know ****!

Reality Check wrote:

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Simple. The laws the commercial growers are violating will no longer be the "lowest priority" for enforcement and prosecution.

Only gardens of 25 plants or less were deemed "lowest priority" by measure G. Commercial grows are still supposed to be a priority; get your facts straight. So again I ask: how is targeting the growers doing 25 plants or less going to do anything to fix these problems? I have yet to see a real answer to this question.