Ahh, Mr. Yughh you have opened my eyes! Thank you sir for your guidance! You are correct, I should have rambled on about a topic that really isn't related to the subject matter put forth by the author.
Having known many people who have and/or should have gone through prop 36, I guess I have been grossly misinformed and ill-educated on the break down of the system. I shall run out immediately and fix that.
I also want to thank you for not accusing me of "ignorance, the true ignorance of the pig who doesn't want to hear anything that is not in keeping with his view of the world" because then I would be likened to the likes of you. Can't you see that is what you are doing by vehemently disagreeing with others who haven't really even presented a position on the topic you discuss? I have not stated any position on prop 36 yet you assume that I "don't want to hear anything that doesn't keep with my view of the world." So tell me Mr. Yughh just what IS my view of the world?
I have said it before to others who try to come to a forum like this one and attempt to 'educate' others on their views. It does not work. Again I applaud your tenacity but really Mr. Yughh, you should find a better venue to express your concerns where they might actually have an impact on the system you wish to change. Maybe you've done that, hopefully you have.
But if you haven't…
You'll do that, right? You'll do it pretty fast, too, won't you?
Keep up the good fight Mr. Yughh, and again, have a nice day!
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Ahh, Mr. Yughh you have opened my eyes! Thank you sir for your guidance! You are correct, I should have rambled on about a topic that really isn't related to the subject matter put forth by the author.
Having known many people who have and/or should have gone through prop 36, I guess I have been grossly misinformed and ill-educated on the break down of the system. I shall run out immediately and fix that. I also want to thank you for not accusing me of "ignorance, the true ignorance of the pig who doesn't want to hear anything that is not in keeping with his view of the world" because then I would be likened to the likes of you. Can't you see that is what you are doing by vehemently disagreeing with others who haven't even presented a position on the topic you discuss? I have not stated any position on prop 36 yet you assume that I "don't want to hear anything that doesn't keep with my view of the world." So tell me Mr. Yughh just what IS my view of the world? I have said it before to others who try to come to a forum like this one and attempt to 'educate' others on their views. It does not work. Again I applaud your tenacity but really Mr. Yughh, you should find a better venue to express your concerns where they might actually have an impact on the system you wish to change. Maybe you've done that, hopefully you have. But if you haven't… You'll do that, right? You'll do it pretty fast, too, won't you? Keep up the good fight Mr. Yughh, and again, have a nice day! |
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Good by and if you are an illegal, I hope I can say Adios when you are deported.
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My apologies for the double post. Topix loaded with page errors when I tried to post the 1st time, so I waited, checked and reposted when I didn't see it appear. Then it did - resulting in my double post.
Sorry 'bout that. |
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Andrew,
Lets talk about all of the things you have done in your life. You are lucky this is the first time you are going to prison. Ukiah is going to be a better place without you around. But think of the positive, you dream of becoming a "shot caller" in the Norteno street gang will coem true shortly. Andrew take advantage of your 9th chance and you may still have hope. |
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Well, um, sounds like you are blaming the system and not yourself. Good that you are remorseful for what you did. But whose fault is it exactly that you failed a drug test? Hmmm?
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What's the outrage? That Mr. Martinez committed an assault and was sentenced to prison, or that he was incapable of keeping himself off of drugs and out of trouble long enough to clear probation? His 'realistic' view of his future seems to be in keeping with his short life to date - it isn't his fault, and he's just being put upon and kept down by 'the system.' He sure seems to feel sorry for himself. I don't suppose he feels sorry for anything else, though. I guess the outrage is that he's just going to continue on his self-absorbed, irresponsible path of criminal stupidity until the State pays for his pauper's funeral. That IS an outrage.
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Until this guy accepts responsibility for his crime(s) he will continue to be a victim and blame everyone but himself for his situation. When a criminal receives probation for an assault and chooses to ignore the standards of behavior which allows him to stay in his home and out of prison, then so sorry--he belongs in prison.
Sadly, prison only serves to separate some criminals from society, but at least, while he is incarcerated, I won't have to worry about what he might be doing to me or mine. He knew what he had to do to keep out of prison and felt no need to comply. Case closed. |
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Andrew Martinez
You made all your own choices and its not like you could not forsee the outcome of your choices. |
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Your posts make perfect sense only to other ex-cons like yourself. Otherwise, it is just gibberish. We do get your drift that you want Prop 36 to be made retroactive to wipe out your own felony drug record, but that's another topic. Your jail house double talk makes it sound like you are one of Andrew's homies. Or his uncle. |
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Remember when the state overturned the death sentence back in the early '70s? It wasn't just for the newly convicted condemned prisoners, it was retro for all the death row inmates, they all got new trials. I don't know how much all those new trials cost, not doubt they were very expensive to the state. And now California has the death penalty firmly in place; they repealed the death sentence for a relatively short time. But was this just for the condemned? No, many civil rights activists were just as involved as the inmates were themselves. A step like this isn't just for those behind bars, it's for us as California citizens. We can never lose our humanity just for the sake of vengeance, the days of public execution and pillories are far gone. The Drug Courts and Prop 36 are put in place for the offenders of this new age that we're in. Unlicensed treatment is no long valid rehab, the Drug Courts cannot sentence someone to attend unlicensed treatment. It's finally been recognized as being bad medicine, and Californians are no longer required to submit themselves to unlicensed chicanery. But what of those who had no choice in the past, those who wee forced into unlicensed care? Do you know about them? What have these people done to the community? Haven't you read the stories about Synanon? Don't you know what harm can befall your community unless these places are closed? Criminal recidivism abounds with unlicensed treatment due to its very nature, it's just as unescapable as prison itself. A retro Prop 36 would help not only those who've been caught up in unlicensed treatment, it'd also let these predecessors to the Drug Court back into court so the real travesty of unlicensed abuse can finally be seen. It's a cancer in our society, malignant and deadly. It is similar to the effort made decades ago when the death penalty was repealed, new trials for those who may have been victims of the system. You don't have to be a criminal to see how this affects you, you're adversely affected by it every day, you just don't see where the difficulty lies due to its insidious nature. You have the ability to stop it now, you can take an active part in making Prop 36 retro. Won't you call your representatives and tell them that you want your community and state back? Won't you let them know that Prop 36 is a waste of your time and money the way it's now written? It's for your neighbors and children just as much as it's for you. |
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OK, I get your drift, but your basic facts are wrong. Charles Manson and his death row pals did not get new trials when the courts invalidated the death penalty. Their death sentences got converted to life without parole. You did not go to prison because of "unlicensed treatment." You went to treatment as an alternative to going straight to prison and you went to prison because you failed treatment/started using/stealing again. Treatment is what you make of it. If you are not ready to change it won't matter how "good" it is. But if you are ready it won't matter if it is licensed or not. Your nephew Andrew is going to be going back to prison because he is not ready to change. Which is another way of saying he is not ready to look at his own life honestly or to learn anything he does not already know. |
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You made your bed, now lie in it.
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if it was just for drugs then id say ya you deserve a chance at rehab, but as for the assault. you got take responsability for that and do your time like the rest of us.
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Andy as you can see no one feels any pitty for you nor do you show any remorse for your wrongs. You can't ever say you had the opportunity to change for the better. Mother like son... I guess you can say. Your mother never did prepare you for this. Did she? You had true friends in your life but you choose to want to become the person you are today..brother like brother. Your family I am sure is proud of you as you should be proud of you self so now you can proclaim the big bad wanna-be gang member you are!! lol. Your future for the following years will be like no other. My only advice to you is: WATCH UR SIX!! you will be having lots of fun from 7 to 11! It is truly sad to see the reality of crime and hopefully when you pull your head out you can wipe it off and have a different perspective on life and the life of crime..Good luck in life. I'm sure you will make new friends easy.
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Yes, they did too get new trials. They were convicted again (as I guess most death row inmates were), and got life from their new convictions. And no, for some reason unlicensed treatment gets different actions from law enforcement after a person's been in one. Many cases of altered and forged court documents, making them totally inadmissible in court. Inadmissible, but let into court anyway. Why and how, I don't know, but it really happens. Convictions and sentences given and served that wouldn't have happened in any other circumstance. It's like the old chain gang days when an illiterate person gets to do his whole life on a road crew because he can't read his way out of his court papers. Except now, we're all literate enough to see where we're getting railroaded, but after an unlicensed rehab, it doesn't matter, the forged papers get filed in court anyway. And I'm sorry if this all sounds harsh, but I have done a lot of research, and I've gathered many of these kinds of altered papers myself. Got them right here, and sometimes I stare at them just because I can't believe that things like this still happen. But that's where it's at, and that's what the whole idea of alternate sentencing's about. It's not supposed to happen now, but it still does. So call your representatives and tell them you're not going to put up with it any longer, not in California at all. It's what the state's supposed to be about, and it's one big flaw in an otherwise fair system. |
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Charles Manson and the other death row inmates who had their sentences converted to life when the death penalty got ruled unconstitutional did not get new trials! Your ignorance on this point invalidates everything else you say. And you can talk about the altered papers and being railroaded (not that you sound very credible) but the fact is you were still guilty as charged. You still fail to accept personal responsibility that it was your drug addiction and criminal behaviour that put you in a position where other bad things could happen to you. It was your lousy actions that opened the door. |
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What are you talking about? Guilty of what? And they did too get new trials. Give some citations. |
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Well, anyway, some places you read that they were all allowed retrials. But Wikipedia backs you up (but I don't trust everything that Wikipedia posts). But look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_v._An... You'll see the word "retroactive." That's an important key phrase. So, whatever history says now, new trials or just commutation, "retro" played a part in it. All condemned prisoners had a new day in court one way or another. "Petition the court to modify its judgment." That's called a "precedent." Here that precedent can apply to Prop 36, the Drug Courts, and unlicensed rehabs. It's all right there. Thanks for disagreeing with me, it helped me find "retroactive." Guilt after an unlicensed rehab is always questionable, as there is no true guilt with that type of manipulation. Hard to understand, I know, but try to. And call your representatives and tell them to look up "retroactive." |
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like most people, Martinez got about 5 second chances. I would be surprised if h ctually goes to prison for this beef. A product of society? how about a product of your own damn choices. sounds like he's singing the folsom prison blues to me. next thing you know, he'll find Jesus. that will last about on hour ont he outs.,
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