Follow-up: 6,772 plants and 800 lbs. marijuana seized

mensa wrote:

Mongo quit posting? I am sorry. I really needed some help with the Kids!

i have not seen a mongo post in days. Why not do what most of you drug dealers to and just give your kids some marijuana. meth in the morning, marijuana at nite. thats what i hear my dope growing friends say anyways. mongo would not approve of it. i don't either. we have morals. but druggies don't. so its no big deal. give it a shot.

nambla wrote:

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i have not seen a mongo post in days. Why not do what most of you drug dealers to and just give your kids some marijuana. meth in the morning, marijuana at nite. thats what i hear my dope growing friends say anyways. mongo would not approve of it. i don't either. we have morals. but druggies don't. so its no big deal. give it a shot.

You have FRIENDS who are dope growers? I guess that would be a bad case of judgment on your part, would it not?

And you say you don't approve of it.

facetious, wasn't it. better than avoidance, right?

reality checker wrote:

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You have FRIENDS who are dope growers? I guess that would be a bad case of judgment on your part, would it not?
And you say you don't approve of it.

Im still waiting for your answer about how much time and money you personally gave to the children of your community last year.So far all you have done is call people names and accuse people of handing out dope to kids.What if I gather all the parents and children who I have given my time and effort to this last year and you can personally tell them that because I grow some marijuana, you know that I get up every morning and give them all drugs,meth etc. I will be more than happy to arrange that meeting for you and will be happy to let you tell them personally.In addition I will call Tom Allman and have him present.It will be interesting to see.Don't worry, I will be there also and will let all of them know that I am the person you are talking about.You know what I think? I think the only cajones you have are on this screen.Let me know about that volunteer time you gave last year.Let me know about that meeting.

Reality Checker I apologize. My post was meant for Nambla.

mensa wrote:

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Im still waiting ....

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/ukiah-daily... post #260
All non-drug people should read posts 233-258 in this thread. See for yourselves exactly how every marijuana discussion will go. Read the tactics listed in post #255 and others. This is exactly what you will get from drug dealers and dope growers.
They cannot and will not address the fact their their drugs enter an unregulated market right now, that sells it to children, and that some (many) children are not only exploited by these dope growers and dealers, but other adults who trade drugs for sex and money to support child users.
They will not address this point directly, without resorting to demagogy as listed in post #255.
Admitting that they contribute to this system would mean that they are contributing to the delinquency of minors, a form of child abuse. It would make them appear responsible.
As we all know, they are anything but.
As for the rest of this crud's demagogy, it has been addressed in the previous referenced thread, in the previous referenced post numbers. I invite all to see how EVERY drug conversation will go with these pot clowns.
As to this clowns assertions of my life, he has no clue. Furthermore, I know enough to gove out NO information, simply because these vultures prey on it, use it against you, and exploit it for what it is worth. MY LIFE isn't at issue. THEIR DRUGS are. Yet, to avoid, they change the topic. See the thread. It answers all... and remains unrefuted.

reality checker wrote:

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With pot being so lucrative, and Profits from it estimated to be in the billions of dollars, where are the kids getting their money to fund 70% of the profits made? Federal minimum wage is less than $7.00 per hour, state minimum wages are not that much more, unemployment is at an all time high,( no pun intended). Video game sales, dvd's, high end clothing, etc are the top of the list for today's teens. Where are the kids' money coming from?

My daughter tells me that many of the kids in the local high schools are spending the lion’s share of their incomes on drugs, mostly pot. In the schools meth is nowhere near as popular as pot. Each school has several kids that make considerable money selling pot. There’s a long list of terrible ways that kids are getting their money for drugs.

Pot is available in every high school & junior high school in the nation. And half the grade schools also. That takes an extremely large amount of pot. Money flows from the pockets of millions of kids straight back to the pockets of thousands of drug dealers scattered throughout this and several other Northern California Counties. From what my daughter has heard, Mendo pot is well known across the country.

reality checker is using lies to ply down the size of the pot problem and the size of the damage done by pot to the educations of kids from coast to coast.

I am always amazed at how abundantly and easily these pot growers lie. They keep saying that every other drug and alcohol are worse, that’s not true. They keep saying that it’s the kid’s fault for buying the drugs, that’s not true. And they also keep saying that any restrictions on pot production would leave thousands of poor sick or dying people without their needed medication, that’s also not true.

I believe it's time for a call to action for those who care about kids education and the truth. Time to require accountability in law enforcement and politicians all the way from the City level on up to the State level. This effort needs to be centralized, focused and unified.

It’s time for a call to action for our kid’s health and their futures. The lies and greed of drug dealers need to stop now. Law Enforcement through out the state are divided. Half of them want to make the streets safe again but their hands are tied by unenforceable poorly written laws. And the other half are growing and selling pot right along with the drug dealers. The silent majority needs to unify and let these drug dealers, no matter who they are, no that this is not acceptable. All those who believe that there’s nothing wrong with allowing our schools to be flooded with pot needs to be shown the error of their greedy ways.

All those who would join in and help with such a campaign, Say Aye.

More to come.

Watcher,
Thanks for the post. You are wise beyond your years and I agree with you most every time. You got my vote. your facts are truth. They are reality in today's world. I know it to be fact. I see it and experience it. I experienced back when I went to school. Little has changed, except the drugs got more potent, and more available.

Beyond the demagogy tactics and strongarm tactics... these drug dealers cannot answer my point. My singular point. They NEVER will. But you and I know the answer. Many others here do as well.

This has reached a crisis stage in this county and country. It needs to be dealt with. Simply saying it is no longer illegal is not dealing with it. It is AVOIDING it. We do not legalize rape. Incest. Child abuse. Molestation. We do not seek to sweep those under a rug. We should not sweep drugs under the rug either.

Thanks

Watcher wrote:

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My daughter tells me that many of the kids in the local high schools are spending the lion’s share of their incomes on drugs, mostly pot. In the schools meth is nowhere near as popular as pot. Each school has several kids that make considerable money selling pot. There’s a long list of terrible ways that kids are getting their money for drugs.
Pot is available in every high school & junior high school in the nation. And half the grade schools also. That takes an extremely large amount of pot. Money flows from the pockets of millions of kids straight back to the pockets of thousands of drug dealers scattered throughout this and several other Northern California Counties. From what my daughter has heard, Mendo pot is well known across the country.
reality checker is using lies to ply down the size of the pot problem and the size of the damage done by pot to the educations of kids from coast to coast.
I am always amazed at how abundantly and easily these pot growers lie. They keep saying that every other drug and alcohol are worse, that’s not true. They keep saying that it’s the kid’s fault for buying the drugs, that’s not true. And they also keep saying that any restrictions on pot production would leave thousands of poor sick or dying people without their needed medication, that’s also not true.
I believe it's time for a call to action for those who care about kids education and the truth. Time to require accountability in law enforcement and politicians all the way from the City level on up to the State level. This effort needs to be centralized, focused and unified.
It’s time for a call to action for our kid’s health and their futures. The lies and greed of drug dealers need to stop now. Law Enforcement through out the state are divided. Half of them want to make the streets safe again but their hands are tied by unenforceable poorly written laws. And the other half are growing and selling pot right along with the drug dealers. The silent majority needs to unify and let these drug dealers, no matter who they are, no that this is not acceptable. All those who believe that there’s nothing wrong with allowing our schools to be flooded with pot needs to be shown the error of their greedy ways.
All those who would join in and help with such a campaign, Say Aye.
More to come.

pot is only 1 of the many drugs in schools today. Ask your daughter how many kids get their hands on prescription drugs, or booze.

Please stop blaming pot for all the problems the kids have.

Do you really believe that the biggest problem our kids face in schools today is POT?

It was in school when I went, it was in school when my mother and father went.

Education is the only rational solution to the problems our kids face today. Education.

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/ukiah-daily... post #260
All non-drug people should read posts 233-258 in this thread. See for yourselves exactly how every marijuana discussion will go. Read the tactics listed in post #255 and others. This is exactly what you will get from drug dealers and dope growers.
They cannot and will not address the fact their their drugs enter an unregulated market right now, that sells it to children, and that some (many) children are not only exploited by these dope growers and dealers, but other adults who trade drugs for sex and money to support child users.
They will not address this point directly, without resorting to demagogy as listed in post #255.
Admitting that they contribute to this system would mean that they are contributing to the delinquency of minors, a form of child abuse. It would make them appear responsible.
As we all know, they are anything but.
As for the rest of this crud's demagogy, it has been addressed in the previous referenced thread, in the previous referenced post numbers. I invite all to see how EVERY drug conversation will go with these pot clowns.
As to this clowns assertions of my life, he has no clue. Furthermore, I know enough to gove out NO information, simply because these vultures prey on it, use it against you, and exploit it for what it is worth. MY LIFE isn't at issue. THEIR DRUGS are. Yet, to avoid, they change the topic. See the thread. It answers all... and remains unrefuted.

Now the argument will of course be:
1. We don't hurt as many as the pharm industry
2. We don't hurt as many as alcohol
3. You must like kids
4. NORML says....
5. The report is false
6. The numbers dont add up
7. Mendocino's drugs don't get into that system
8. Others in society are far guiltier than we are
But... they will NEVER address the point: if they sell drugs to a black market that distributes drugs across the US, their drugs have contributed to the problem and therefore, they bear responsibility.
You will never hear it.

Now... just how many kids need to be hurt, for it to be wrong?

1? 5? 10? How about 3.5 out of every 100 (and that is an admitted underestimate). How about closer to 7-10 kids out of 100 trading sex for drugs or drug money? Is that enough to qualify as bad?

Add to that, the huge number of teens committing crime to get drug money. Or here in Mendo, growing their own to sell.

And this bad aspect of the drug trade is only ONE FACET of the problem. There are many more facets to this problem, wherein society is adversely affected.

Yet, in this one facet, dope growers refuse to address it. See my previously mentioned thread and posts for proof of this, and examples of their wellentrenched demagogy tactics used to avoid answering the real issues.

Just bounced over cause I knew you,Mongo,Nambla,Reality Avoider or whatever, would be here also.I all ready commented on the above post in the other forum.You are funny dude."Not" Reality Checker, I will say that the one thing more true than all else is that education is the key to our children's issues today.You have it absolutely correct.In addition a good dose of parental responsibility and engagement in their children's lives would go a long way.

mensa wrote:

Just bounced over cause I knew you,Mongo,Nambla,Reality Avoider or whatever, would be here also.I all ready commented on the above post in the other forum.You are funny dude."Not" Reality Checker, I will say that the one thing more true than all else is that education is the key to our children's issues today.You have it absolutely correct.In addition a good dose of parental responsibility and engagement in their children's lives would go a long way.

You are correct. Parental involvement is critical. Yet, one cannot legislate parental involvement. One CAN legislate to prevent harm to children. Your industry has had ample opportunity to do it. It has not done so. Simply fact. Your industry is a filthy balck market industry that harms people. The child exploitation is only one aspect of it. There are MANY MANY more aspects just as pernicious.

Yet every conversation here avoids the truth, doesn't it?

Reality Avoider wrote:

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You are correct. Parental involvement is critical. Yet, one cannot legislate parental involvement. One CAN legislate to prevent harm to children. Your industry has had ample opportunity to do it. It has not done so. Simply fact. Your industry is a filthy balck market industry that harms people. The child exploitation is only one aspect of it. There are MANY MANY more aspects just as pernicious.
Yet every conversation here avoids the truth, doesn't it?

Only yours....... Ten a.m. Rec center. Show your care for the children...

I have spent days here... being attacked by just about every pot growing, child abusing, drugged out moron who can barely read enough to follow a link. I have been threatened with physical harm multiple times. I have been called a child molester. I have had threads of such posted. I have had my online id stolen and maligned. I have beeb stalked around by groups working together to silence the truth. Yet, I stood alone for the most part, and spoke the truth. I have done my best to raise awareness about what YOUR industry is doing to kids. I think my actions so far prove my devotion to child causes. No... due to hordes of tweeked out drug profiteers looking to threaten violence, I do not think I need to show up at some community center to prove anything to you. I am no coward, nor am I an idiot. Your demagoguery sure to my refusal to entertain your invitation (or challenge) is amusing at best. Unlike you, I worked full time in that field for a period. I have already given of my time. I will continue to, without any challenges from you.

You have yet to prove anything to me. You have yet to answer the question. Well, you did prove to me that I am correct: no one in your "industry" will answer the point.

reality checker wrote:
"pot is only 1 of the many drugs in schools today. Ask your daughter how many kids get their hands on prescription drugs, or booze."

Watcher wrote:
Almost all prescription drugs end up in kid’s hands because they were taken from a home medicine cabinet or the bedroom of the parent. Pot, on the other hand is specifically targeted at kids for the highest price the growers can get.
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reality checker wrote:
"Please stop blaming pot for all the problems the kids have."

Watcher wrote:
I don't. I blame pot-growing drug dealers for all the problems caused by marijuana to millions of kids and the damage done by these heartless, lying profiteers to their educations.
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reality checker wrote:
"Do you really believe that the biggest problem our kids face in schools today is POT?"

Watcher wrote:
The greed of the drug dealers has elevated the potency, price and availability of marijuana to a level where it has become the main reason for failing grades, our 50% drop out rate and the highest truancy rate ever recorded. In the major cities, the profits for pot and crack sales are the two major causes for youth gang violence.
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reality checker wrote:
"It was in school when I went, it was in school when my mother and father went."

Watcher wrote:
It was probably in your school because you were selling it there. I don't know your parents age and you surly don't want me to guess your age from your level of maturity, but I guess that the pot your parents knew was 2%, not 20% THC, and only in the hands of less than one percent of the kids, not 30% to 40% like in many high schools today. My daughter tells me that the number of kids who have tried pot are staggering and the number of kids that continue to smoke it regularly is not far behind.
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reality checker wrote:
"Education is the only rational solution to the problems our kids face today. Education."

Watcher wrote:
You only say this because pot undermines education making this "solution" ineffective and your plan also allows you to keep selling drugs to kids. You’re blaming the kids not yourself. The difference between kids and adults is that kids are supposed to be learning the difference between right and wrong. Adults are supposed to know the difference. You apparently got older but you never grew up. Adults want to get the drugs out of the schools so our kids have a chance at growing up.

Watcher wrote:

reality checker wrote:
"It was in school when I went, it was in school when my mother and father went."
Watcher wrote:
It was probably in your school because you were selling it there. I don't know your parents age and you surly don't want me to guess your age from your level of maturity, but I guess that the pot your parents knew was 2%, not 20% THC, and only in the hands of less than one percent of the kids, not 30% to 40% like in many high schools today. My daughter tells me that the number of kids who have tried pot are staggering and the number of kids that continue to smoke it regularly is not far behind.

reality checker wrote:
"Education is the only rational solution to the problems our kids face today. Education."
Watcher wrote:
You only say this because pot undermines education making this "solution" ineffective and your plan also allows you to keep selling drugs to kids. You’re blaming the kids not yourself. The difference between kids and adults is that kids are supposed to be learning the difference between right and wrong. Adults are supposed to know the difference. You apparently got older but you never grew up. Adults want to get the drugs out of the schools so our kids have a chance at growing up.

No, I never sold pot in school or out of school. I don't sell pot. Your "facts" are not based in reality.

And you really believe that educatuion is an ill-effective solution? WHAT?

You have just shown everyone who reads this that YOU need to be educated!

And how are kids supposed to learn right from wrong, if education is an ill-effective solution?

May I suggest to those reading that you pull your child out of the public school system. It seems that the public school system has failed to educate Watcher. Who knows how many more are suffering just like Watcher.

And Watcher, if you claim to have attended private school, you should ask for a refund!

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/ukiah-daily... post #260
All non-drug people should read posts 233-258 in this thread. See for yourselves exactly how every marijuana discussion will go. Read the tactics listed in post #255 and others. This is exactly what you will get from drug dealers and dope growers.
They cannot and will not address the fact their their drugs enter an unregulated market right now, that sells it to children, and that some (many) children are not only exploited by these dope growers and dealers, but other adults who trade drugs for sex and money to support child users.
They will not address this point directly, without resorting to demagogy as listed in post #255.
Admitting that they contribute to this system would mean that they are contributing to the delinquency of minors, a form of child abuse. It would make them appear responsible.
As we all know, they are anything but.
As for the rest of this crud's demagogy, it has been addressed in the previous referenced thread, in the previous referenced post numbers. I invite all to see how EVERY drug conversation will go with these pot clowns.
As to this clowns assertions of my life, he has no clue. Furthermore, I know enough to gove out NO information, simply because these vultures prey on it, use it against you, and exploit it for what it is worth. MY LIFE isn't at issue. THEIR DRUGS are. Yet, to avoid, they change the topic. See the thread. It answers all... and remains unrefuted