Do you think Measure G should be repealed?

NO ON B!

reality checker wrote:

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No, they don't. If you think all indoor growers are bypassing the electricity and you foot the bill, please explain all the recent busts of indoor grows where excessive use of electricity was cited.

Dork, READ the damn stories. Most specifically sat they bypassed the meter.

Measure G does state that sales of marijuana are illegal. If we arrested all those who are selling pot we could clean the pot out of our schools and reduce our pot problem by over 98%.

Sounds good to me.

Maybe all the pro pot people on these pages could share a jail cell.

I attended the forum last night at the Willits Grange. The police crime statistics that your attorney quoted represented only the Sheriff’s department. A shreiff who’s campaign was largely funded by growers. It did not include the CHP statistics, a county wide law enforcement agency, nor did it include any of the city police statistics. Kieth you ended your speech by saying how important honesty is. I am sure my husband will be very surprised how insignificant the CHP presence in Mendo is to you. Measure G has ruined a neighborhood I loved. If measure B the law enforcement in this county have plenty to do and don’t care about mom and pop growers, nor do they want to target patients. For my children, for all the children in the Willits schools I care so deeply about, I will VOTE YES ON MEASURE B.

Let's get this right-Faulder ran for District Atty and thank god he lost. If he would have won Mendocino County would be right back to the Vroman/Craver days. We still have Allman and he won't stop the dopers in the county limits. What we need to do now is recall Allman-he is corrupt and unethical on so many things.

James M Kinder wrote:

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Dork, READ the damn stories. Most specifically sat they bypassed the meter.

Only ONE article about bypassing the electricity, and now ALL pot growers do that?
I found some interesting facts about you, Mr, Kinder
SAN DIEGO -- A fax machine, pager and a telephone are what brought 24 lawyers to a local courtroom.
It's not one case; it's 165 and counting.
But there is just one plaintiff -- James Kinder, owner of Rainbow Rent-A-Car on India Street.
Kinder is a former lawyer once convicted of fraud. He is in a legal battle now on another matter.
Including one with Jack DeAngelis.
"They're asking for money, asking for money and kind of shaking me down," said De Angelis.
It all happened after De Angelis sent Kinder a fax soliciting guests for a radio show. Kinder called him.
"He said,'Today is the worst day of your life. I'm in the fax mafia and I'm in the fax suing business,'" said De Angelis.
Kinder sent De Angelis a demand for $10,000 for the one fax, claiming it violated several federal and state business and telemarketing laws.
"I said,'Go wherever you need to go, my friend. You're not getting a dime out of me,'" said De Angelis.
Kinder went to court and sued De Angelis for $25,000, plus penalties and fees, adding to the pile of Kinder cases.
"Keep in mind, this is not my only 165 cases, I have lots and lots of other cases," said Judge Ronald Styn.
So, has Kinder over the years. He has been involved in more than 600 cases.
The Superior Court lists him as a vexatious litigant, someone who abuses the court system with frivolous claims.
Kinder was a personal injury attorney until 1989. He gave up his license right before the State Bar Court was set to disbar him from crimes involving moral turpitude.
A State Bar document obtained by 10News explained that Kinder forged a marriage license so a woman could marry her dead boyfriend, collect the life insurance money and split it with Kinder.
Kinder's take for forging the license was $3,300.
In a phone call with 10News' Lauren Reynolds, Kinder described the episode as a mistake. He said it has nothing to do with the current litigation, which he said is a "public service."
Kinder claims to represent the little people against telemarketers, but defense attorneys handling the 165 current cases said it is a scam based on Kinder's unique phone number.
Defense attorney Tim Vanden Heuvel said, "Essentially this number is being used to generate litigation and nothing else."
Kinder has the phone number ###-####. He said it is the most valuable number in San Diego for marketing.
The problem is many businesses, medical clinics and even charities use ###-#### when inputting customer information into a computer if the customer's real phone number isn't known. Kinder receives all the calls for ###-####, calls meant for other people.
"This defense team is optimistic that this will be dismissed at an early stage," said defense attorney Bryan Shartle.
Kinder sues individuals, businesses, non-profits and even charities. He has just filed suit against Rady Children's Hospital and the Salvation Army.
10News attempted to talk to Kinder at his rental car business, but he was not there. It was learned that Kinder was in jail serving time for violating a court order.
10News contacted Kinder in jail by e-mail to see if he wanted to comment, but he did not respond.
Because Kinder is considered a vexatious litigation, he may be forced to post a multimillion-dollar bond before his current round of cases could go forward.

FBcoast wrote:

measure B stinks, keep things the way they are, get rid of these meth addicts that are hurting our lands, breaking into our homes, ruining our communities, leave pot alone.

great job!! by the way, there will be a meeting with tom allman about the meth problem etc at the grange in willits on may 29th!! be there. i myself can't wait!!! hope to see you there.

SMELL SMELL SMELL
I bet it doesn't smell half as bad as the horses next door to my place. Flies, flies and Thousand more flies from all the Horse Manure. I wouldn't want to ban peoples horses just because of the smell and all the flies. I just accept it and am glad I don't live in a smog filled city. Did I mention all the horse manure left on the county roads by horse riders who don't clean up after their animals. If medical growers left feces all over the streets you would never hear the end of it. Why do we ignore the horses??????

Feds: Teen use of pot can lead to dependency, mental illness By JENNIFER C. KERR, Associated Press Writer
Fri May 9, 7:00 AM ET

WASHINGTON - Depression, teens and marijuana are a dangerous mix that can lead to dependency, mental illness or suicidal thoughts, according to a White House report being released Friday.

A teen who has been depressed at some point in the past year is more than twice as likely to have used marijuana as teens who have not reported being depressed — 25 percent compared with 12 percent, said the report by the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy.

"Marijuana is a more consequential substance of abuse than our culture has treated it in the last 20 years," said John Walters, director of the office. "This is not just youthful experimentation that they'll get over as we used to think in the past."

Smoking marijuana can lead to more serious problems, Walters said in an interview.

For example, using marijuana increases the risk of developing mental disorders by 40 percent, the report said. And teens who smoke pot at least once a month over a yearlong period are three times more likely to have suicidal thoughts than nonusers, it said.

The report also cited research that showed that teens who smoke marijuana when feeling depressed were more than twice as likely as their peers to abuse or become addicted to pot — 8 percent compared with 3 percent.

Experts who have worked with children say there's nothing harmless about marijuana.

"I've seen many, many kids' lives negatively impacted and taken off track because of marijuana," said Elizabeth Stanley-Salazar, director of adolescent services for Phoenix House treatment centers in California. "It's somewhat Russian roulette. There are so many factors, emotional, psychological, biological. You can't predict the experimentation and how it will impact a kid."

The drug control policy office analyzed about a dozen studies looking at marijuana use, including research by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration.

Walters appealed to parents to recognize signs of possible drug use and depression.

"It's not something you look the other way about when your teen starts appearing careless about their grooming, withdrawing from the family, losing interest in daily activities," Walters said. "Find out what's wrong."

Marijuana Danger wrote:

Feds: Teen use of pot can lead to dependency, mental illness By JENNIFER C. KERR, Associated Press Writer
Fri May 9, 7:00 AM ET
WASHINGTON - Depression, teens and marijuana are a dangerous mix that can lead to dependency, mental illness or suicidal thoughts, according to a White House report being released Friday.
A teen who has been depressed at some point in the past year is more than twice as likely to have used marijuana as teens who have not reported being depressed — 25 percent compared with 12 percent, said the report by the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy.
"Marijuana is a more consequential substance of abuse than our culture has treated it in the last 20 years," said John Walters, director of the office. "This is not just youthful experimentation that they'll get over as we used to think in the past."
Smoking marijuana can lead to more serious problems, Walters said in an interview.
For example, using marijuana increases the risk of developing mental disorders by 40 percent, the report said. And teens who smoke pot at least once a month over a yearlong period are three times more likely to have suicidal thoughts than nonusers, it said.
The report also cited research that showed that teens who smoke marijuana when feeling depressed were more than twice as likely as their peers to abuse or become addicted to pot — 8 percent compared with 3 percent.
Experts who have worked with children say there's nothing harmless about marijuana.
"I've seen many, many kids' lives negatively impacted and taken off track because of marijuana," said Elizabeth Stanley-Salazar, director of adolescent services for Phoenix House treatment centers in California. "It's somewhat Russian roulette. There are so many factors, emotional, psychological, biological. You can't predict the experimentation and how it will impact a kid."
The drug control policy office analyzed about a dozen studies looking at marijuana use, including research by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration.
Walters appealed to parents to recognize signs of possible drug use and depression.
"It's not something you look the other way about when your teen starts appearing careless about their grooming, withdrawing from the family, losing interest in daily activities," Walters said. "Find out what's wrong."

mr kinder? why are you changing your proud name?
http://www.10news.com/investigations/15658996...
come on youve made a name for yourself and measure B!

save mendo vote no on measure B = bad

If your teen is smoking pot, then your not a very good parent.

You have to have lived here your whole life to call this your community, Not five or six years. You can't tell me you didn't know what type of area you where moving into when you were thinking of moving to this county. Or did you think that everybody would just put there seeds away when you moved here. This county has been the same way since the 1970's. Get real you measure B people, it's not going away. Vote NO on Measure B

Bill Cannon wrote:

If your teen is smoking pot, then your not a very good parent.

If your teen is smoking cigarettes, or drinking, you are not a good parent. If your teen is overweight, you are not a good parent. If your teen is getting bad grades, you are not a good parent. If your teen is _______(fill in the blank), you are not a good parent.

Anything else?

ppp wrote:

blame mj for everything bad that is happening in the county and the state; that is what some folks want to have us believe. when ever did a hard working gardener or needy patient go postal and kill his classmates or coworkers? why not outlaw prozac and a long list of drugs and vaccines that have know adverse effects?. when did they discover adverse health effects from the use of marijuana? how about tobacco and alcohol? pharmaceuticals? cosmetics?
coca-cola and soda beverages generally? aspartame? the police state gang that rules in every jurisdiction, lies and lies to get things their way; wine and steak for everyone who can afford it and slave labor in one prison or another for the rest. i guess they plan on paying for the new 50 million dollars county prison/kangaroo courthouse off the back of peaceful and harmless patients and their providers. the unconstitutional esquires who run the courts, will bleed to death anyone who does not tow the line.

very well said there!! great job!!

WATCH WATCHER
When you use the term "lies" are you talking of my statements or yours?

Here is a report released recently about kids and pot. It describes many of the problems experienced by kids when they smoke pot. Marijuana depresses many kids because they can't function without their short-term memory.

This causes them to fall behind scholastically which in turn triggers anxiety.

Check it out.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/09/hea...

ukiahan
apalled in Florida wrote
"I have no problem with people who grow marijuana to sell smoke eat whatever theywant to do."
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Watcher wrote:
Your opinion falls apart when you take into consideration that way over half of the pot that's grown ends up in the hands of kids under the age of 18.
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ukiahan wrote:
you can repeat this a million times, but it still won't make it true. Once again, go to schools and talk to them and they will tell you the real problems (funding), but reality isn't nearly as much as a vivid imagination.
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Watcher wrote:
Ukiahan It really helps to know what you're talking about. It's like dominoes.

First, pot pours into the schools.

Second, pot causes a drop in grades, a drop in attendance and an increase in the drop out rate.

Third, because schools get their money fro graduation and attendance, the schools money is cut.

Fourth, as an act of self-preservation the teachers and schools systems doctor the attendance books and give away grades.

End result, the quick patch attempted by the school systems never lasts for long and the kids end up the long-term losers.

May 9, 2008

AMERICAN COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS ENDORSES USE OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA

The American College of Physicians (ACP), the nation's second largest professional body of physicians, has declared its endorsement for the medicinal use of cannabis.

The announcement comes after many arduous years of fighting between the federal government and states like California that have passed their own laws regarding medical marijuana. In short, the ACP feels that cannabis' classification as a Schedule I drug is unjustified in lieu of objective evidence to support its dangers and that the federal government has refuted what some say is overwhelming evidence supporting its medicinal value.

The ACP's big brother, the American Medical Association (AMA), has never indicated support for the rescheduling of marijuana, but has urged for further research into the nature of cannabinols and other cannabis-related chemicals. Some hope that little brother's announcement may sway the AMA.

This endorsement comes as a breath of fresh air to all of us who have been choked by the stagnancy of our government policies towards pot. The issue of medical marijuana has everything to do with our civil liberties as citizens and nothing to do with any transgression on moral boundaries, whether you consume the herb or not. The myth about marijuana is about as old as the paranoia surrounding the arrival of Halley's Comet back in 1910, and we need to take a cold, hard look at why we feel the way we do about it.

Though it took until 2008 for the establishment to stop whistling in the dark and see the writing on the wall, I applaud the ACP. Hopefully, more will follow in suit, and we will take one step back towards regaining our personal liberties and our right to access the best medical care available.

http://www.thesequitur.com/content/view/2421/...

Truth Seeker is wrong!!!

The American College of Physicians does not support the smoking of marijuana, however it does support continued research of the medical efficacy of THC and cannabinoids.

The AMA states clearly that there is nothing medicinal about smoking anything. Below are quotes from recently released statements by the AMA.

1 “Of comparable or greater concern, are potential adverse effects of cannabinoids and marijuana smoke on the immune, respiratory, cardiovascular, and reproductive systems, and the potential for enhancing carcinogenesis."

2 “In addition to effects attributable to THC, the chronic effects of marijuana smoke are of perhaps greater concern than marijuana’s acute safety profile. Like tobacco, chronic marijuana smoking is associated with lung damage, increased symptoms of chronic bronchitis, and possibly increased risk of lung cancer.”

3 “The AMA recommends that marijuana be retained in Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act.”

One thing to watch out for is the way pro pot people like to play word games when presenting the opinions of others. If a report says that THC has medical benefits in several types of patients, this doesn’t mean that smoking marijuana has medical validity.

Penicillin comes from moldy bread but they are not the same thing, How ever I believe that if moldy bread cost $3,000.00 a pound and got you high, the pot growers would start trying to convince us that it’s penicillin.

The contents of cigarette smoke and pot smoke are over 90% similar. One has nicotine and the other has THC. Both have a long list of toxic carbon compounds and gases plus many known carcinogens. The AMA has stated that it would be extremely hypocritical for it to on the one hand condemn cigarettes and on the other hand condone the smoking of marijuana.

There is nothing medicinal about smoking or eating marijuana. There are numerous and unnecessary poisonous compounds and no dosage control. The benefits of THC have been known for decades. That’s why we have pill form THC,“Marinol”.

The only reason for organic marijuana is for getting high and getting rich. Most of the marijuana that is sold today ends up in the hands of school kids under the age of 18 years old. This has been verified by countless Private, Federal and State Government, Educational and Law Enforcement studies.

If you care about the health and educations of children and the truth,

Vote yes on B

Watcher wrote:

Truth Seeker is wrong!!!
The American College of Physicians does not support the smoking of marijuana, however it does support continued research of the medical efficacy of THC and cannabinoids.
The AMA states clearly that there is nothing medicinal about smoking anything. Below are quotes from recently released statements by the AMA.

Bait-and-switch. eh? Start with ACP and go off to AMA?
It's true that ACP doesn't 'endorse' smoking of marijuana, as they do non-smoked methods of delivery, but it would be incorrect to say they don't support it, since they actively support state laws that allow for smoking it.
Here's what they said:
http://www.acponline.org/advocacy/where_we_st...
Executive Summary
Marijuana has been smoked for its medicinal properties for centuries. Preclinical, clinical, and anecdotal reports suggest numerous potential medical uses for marijuana. Although the indications for some conditions (e.g., HIV wasting and chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting) have been well documented, less information is available about other potential medical uses. Additional research is needed to clarify marijuana’s therapeutic properties and determine standard and optimal doses and routes of delivery. Unfortunately, research expansion has been hindered by a complicated federal approval process, limited availability of research-grade marijuana, and the debate over legalization. Marijuana’s categorization as a Schedule I controlled substance raises significant concerns for researchers, physicians, and patients. As such, the College’s policy positions on marijuana as medicine are as follows:
Position 1: ACP supports programs and funding for rigorous scientific evaluation of the potential therapeutic benefits of medical marijuana and the publication of such findings.
Position 1a: ACP supports increased research for conditions where the efficacy of marijuana has been established to determine optimal dosage and route of delivery.
Position 1b: Medical marijuana research should not only focus on determining drug efficacy and safety but also on determining efficacy in comparison with other available treatments.
Position 2: ACP encourages the use of nonsmoked forms of THC that have proven therapeutic value.
Position 3: ACP supports the current process for obtaining federal research-grade cannabis.
Position 4: ACP urges review of marijuana’s status as a schedule I controlled substance and its reclassification into a more appropriate schedule, given the scientific evidence regarding marijuana’s safety and efficacy in some clinical conditions.
Position 5: ACP strongly supports exemption from federal criminal prosecution; civil liability; or professional sanctioning, such as loss of licensure or credentialing, for physicians who prescribe or dispense medical marijuana in accordance with state law.
Similarly, ACP strongly urges protection from criminal or civil penalties for patients who use medical marijuana as permitted under state laws.