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“Pot is a gift from God”
Joined: May 10, 2008
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opium is gift from God wrote: <quoted text>
There has never been, nor will there ever be a drug that is smoked that will ever gain approval by either the Center for Disease Control, or the FDA. And cannabinoids promote mis-firings in the synapse which promotes short term memory deficiencies, as well as high blood pressure, which contributes to Myocardial Infarction and Stroke!
Nitwit! Opium is, too, actually, but that's another post. On any given year of human history you'd likely agree with me on that point (depending on your level of pain and access to non-deity supplied painkillers). Vaporized pot is quite outside of the 'smoking' discussion (and liquid pot, like Sativex, is undergoing promising clinical trials right now). But then, the smoked pot is giving us some wonderful data regarding our misconceptions about what causes heart attack, stroke, and cancer (since regardless of your fears, the rates of all the above go down in pot smokers, see the Kaiser study). I think the funniest part is why something that is nearly identical to tobacco smoke cures, rather than causes, cancers. I'm guessing that the MDs don't actually have a clue what causes cancer, since the facts don't fit if you add pot into the mix. The 'mis-firings'(alternately timed firings) that you speak of are being tested right now by the Israeli army as a treatment for PTSD. And there is some evidence that what is happening is not that they are being 'lost' but being shunted directly into long-term memory (which is the theory behind the treatment, as I understand it). Anyway, it's certainly a lot safer than anything else out there. And if the discussion of Measure B is any evidence, it's quite clear that the people who smoke pot are decidedly nicer people than the ones who would jail them.
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Watcher
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Truth Seeker is wrong!!!
The American College of Physicians does not support the smoking of marijuana, however it does support continued research of the medical efficacy of THC and cannabinoids.
The AMA states clearly that there is nothing medicinal about smoking anything. Below are quotes from recently released statements by the AMA.
1 “Of comparable or greater concern, are potential adverse effects of cannabinoids and marijuana smoke on the immune, respiratory, cardiovascular, and reproductive systems, and the potential for enhancing carcinogenesis."
2 “In addition to effects attributable to THC, the chronic effects of marijuana smoke are of perhaps greater concern than marijuana’s acute safety profile. Like tobacco, chronic marijuana smoking is associated with lung damage, increased symptoms of chronic bronchitis, and possibly increased risk of lung cancer.”
3 “The AMA recommends that marijuana be retained in Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act.”
One thing to watch out for is the way pro pot people like to play word games when presenting the opinions of others. If a report says that THC has medical benefits in several types of patients, this doesn’t mean that smoking marijuana has medical validity.
Penicillin comes from moldy bread but they are not the same thing, How ever I believe that if moldy bread cost $3,000.00 a pound and got you high, the pot growers would start trying to convince us that it’s penicillin.
The contents of cigarette smoke and pot smoke are over 90% similar. One has nicotine and the other has THC. Both have a long list of toxic carbon compounds and gases plus many known carcinogens. The AMA has stated that it would be extremely hypocritical for it to on the one hand condemn cigarettes and on the other hand condone the smoking of marijuana.
There is nothing medicinal about smoking or eating marijuana. There are numerous and unnecessary poisonous compounds and no dosage control. The benefits of THC have been known for decades. That’s why we have pill form THC,“Marinol”.
The only reason for organic marijuana is for getting high and getting rich. Most of the marijuana that is sold today ends up in the hands of school kids under the age of 18 years old. This has been verified by countless Private, Federal and State Government, Educational and Law Enforcement studies.
If you care about the health and educations of children and the truth,
Vote yes on B
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“Pot is a gift from God”
Joined: May 10, 2008
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Watcher wrote: Truth Seeker is wrong!!! I already dissected this pretty good on five or six of the threads, so let it suffice to say that the ACP strongly urges protection from criminal or civil penalties for patients who use medical marijuana as permitted under state laws and encourages the use of nonsmoked forms of THC that have proven therapeutic value. You can read the report for yourself right here: http://www.acponline.org/advocacy/where_we_st... Let's look at the fear-mongering AMA statements. Two of the three statements reference cancer risk, when the epidemiology says that pot actually REDUCES your risk of cancer. They do not mention that many foreign studies have shown that cannabinoids CURE quite a few cancers. My favorite was the Spanish study that showed glioma basically dissolving on injection. http://pvnm.com/-m-k_q-_f They list bronchitis, an illness which pot is used to treat, as a potential danger, as well as implying that there may be immune system effects that are 'adverse' when many of the illnesses that it is used for are auto-immune disorders, particularly Crohn's disease and MS. It's terribly disingenuous. But it shows that they are really a bunch of whores for sale to the high bidder. I wonder if that's one of the reasons there's an ACP (kind of like GOA and the NRA--GOA is pot friendly).
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just the facts
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writch wrote: <quoted text> I already dissected this pretty good on five or six of the threads, so let it suffice to say that the ACP strongly urges protection from criminal or civil penalties for patients who use medical marijuana as permitted under state laws and encourages the use of nonsmoked forms of THC that have proven therapeutic value. You can read the report for yourself right here: http://www.acponline.org/advocacy/where_we_st... Let's look at the fear-mongering AMA statements. Two of the three statements reference cancer risk, when the epidemiology says that pot actually REDUCES your risk of cancer. They do not mention that many foreign studies have shown that cannabinoids CURE quite a few cancers. My favorite was the Spanish study that showed glioma basically dissolving on injection. http://pvnm.com/-m-k_q-_f They list bronchitis, an illness which pot is used to treat, as a potential danger, as well as implying that there may be immune system effects that are 'adverse' when many of the illnesses that it is used for are auto-immune disorders, particularly Crohn's disease and MS. It's terribly disingenuous. But it shows that they are really a bunch of whores for sale to the high bidder. I wonder if that's one of the reasons there's an ACP (kind of like GOA and the NRA--GOA is pot friendly). Let's stick to the issue. Measure B does not deny medical marijuana to anyone who has a doctor's recommendation. Measure B is not about medical marijuana. Measure B is about putting Mendocino County back in line with state limits so that we are no longer a targe for the commercial growers. Vote "YES" on B.
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“Pot is a gift from God”
Joined: May 10, 2008
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just the facts wrote: <quoted text>
Let's stick to the issue. Measure B does not deny medical marijuana to anyone who has a doctor's recommendation. Measure B is not about medical marijuana. Measure B is about putting Mendocino County back in line with state limits so that we are no longer a targe for the commercial growers. Vote "YES" on B. It's probably better to stick to the issue, as you don't do well when trying to mischaracterize new facts. You are correct in stating that Measure B (for the most part) isn't about MedMar. It will reduce the number of plants that are defined by statute, but it won't make that illegal entirely. However, it's the B-people who keep insisting that somehow (through the magic of phony medmar cards) the twenty-five plant limit is being turned into plantations. I've seen no real evidence for this statement. In fact, I've commonly seen the assertion that we are ALL committing fraud as a kind of last-ditch catch-all way of supporting it, but if there's a scam going on here, it's still a secret. The commercial growers are growing FAR more than twenty-five plants, and there are laws about their transgressions that Measure G doesn't prevent enforcing (even if they were only growing one plant, they aren't exempt from the laws about dumping oil or diverting water). As I understand it, the commercial growers locate (generally) on public lands, since those can't be confiscated. B won't change that a whit. It won't change what's going on. It won't change the way it can be enforced, or the limits on the enforcement of the vast majority of the transgressions listed by the B people. It won't even really change the smell issue a whole lot. It will change a bunch of potheads who AREN'T medical marijuana users, but personal use growers, back into criminals. But it won't stop anyone out in the woods with five thousand plants, and THOSE are the people the B people keep citing as the 'problem'(except for the smell contingent, and they are just jerks). Honestly, if the Sheriff's office can't get all the big commercial plantations right now, with all the laws right there to use on them, how is putting someone with twenty-five plants in jail going to improve the situation any?
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just the facts
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How about the "medical grow" near Fort Bragg by the "Mendo Healing dispensary" from SF where they were growing for over 200 "patients" who lived in San Francisco? They had about 2000 plants and 1000 pounds of processed bud. Their "dispensary" was finally shut down because the "patients" were buying the "medicine" and walkiing out the door and selling it on the street. Scammers!
How about Memo Parker who has busted for 400 plants and 187 pounds of processed bud and said he was growing for a dispensary in San Francisco? Scammer!
How about the Smith's on Robinson Creek Road who were growing hundreds of plants for another dispensary in San Francisco? Scammers!
How about Eddy Lepp in Lake County who was busted for "medical" gardens of 32,000 and 20,000 plants? Scammer!
How about the Walker Ridge fire where the grower was protecting 300 plants and a roomful of processed bud with 19 "medical cards?" Scammer!
There are plenty of other stories of grows of hundreds of plants that were protected by "caregiver" cards, some real and some phony. Even the real cards are used, not for medical grows, but as cover for commercial grows. The owners of the card are paid off in pot and/or cash for the use of the card and then the grower/dealer sells the rest for profit.
These are not small medical grows. These are all big time commercial grows that are defended by the marijuana lobby.
Measure B will end the perception that anything goes in Mendo. Measure B will tell the Sheriff and DA that they better do their jobs and that the public will support them if they do and get rid of them if they don't.
Knowing that the public is behind them, the Sheriff and DA will look behind the veil of the phony cards or real cards fraudulently used and will bust large commercial grows masquerading as medical marijuana.
This is why all the growers (and if you are not a grower you are paid by them to be the number one anti-bee spammer) are so upset and are telling every lie they can think of to fool the people into voting against Measure B. But it won't work. We see through your lies. Vote "YES" on B to tell the commercial growers that the party is over in Mendo.
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ukiahan
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YES ON B, bring the prices back to $5000 a pound so crime can skyrocket. Let's bring in more gang members. Look at the rest of the country where their are zero limits, there are no drugs. It's completely legal to grow in Alaska and we hear the horror stories from there all the time.
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odin albright
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come on go bust some real criminals u idiots whats yur problem /??????u smelled mary j my **** and u fers know u smoked that kind what a joke!!!
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odin albright
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ohh yeah and another thing we will over grow ya just wait and see......
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odin albright
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hey look im a cop im all smoked out and i need do-nuts ohhh i ate them all hu huhu huh i need some more herb lets go steal from some medical patients sounds like mendo county sheriff dept to me hahahahahah
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“Pot is a gift from God”
Joined: May 10, 2008
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just the facts wrote: How about the "medical grow" near Fort Bragg by the "Mendo Healing dispensary" from SF where they were growing for over 200 "patients" who lived in San Francisco? Over twenty-five plants is illegal (at least, that's what the Sheriff said). http://www.mendocinosheriff.com/services/prop... Measure G doesn't authorize any of this stuff. Measure G makes it ok to have some pot growing in your yard (nothing about medical cards, just limits to policing). It doesn't make it legal to have pot plantations. To falsely indicate that it does (when our own county says on their website it doesn't), is not just a lie. It's pretty bloody dumb. I mean, the point you are making is that the Sheriff and the DA are lying. Why don't you ask them why they aren't prosecuting these cases?
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