Big Lies of the anti-bees.

The anti-bees struck with their first Big Lie mailer today. Expect more to follow. Slick, glossy, outside money, outside consultant, professional production, nothing "grass roots" about it.

The Big Lie is that Measure B will make criminals out of medical patients. This is a lie and the anti-bees know it. Senate Bill 420 sets minimum state guidelines for medical marijuana, but guarantees to every patient the right to have as much medical marijuana as their physician prescribes. No patient will suffer if Measure B passes!

Federal court rulings (Conant vs. Waters) protect the right of physicians to recommend medical marijuana for their patients.

Over 1,500 California physicians have recommended medical marijuana for their patients and none have been prosecuted by the feds for doing so.

The California Medical Board guarantees the right of physicians to recommend medical marijuana to their patients. None are investigated for doing so.

We even have pot doctors who specialize in nothing else except issuing pot cards to whoever walks in the door, as long as they have the fee.

Measure B protects the rights of medical marijuana patients. Measure B targets the commercial growers who are wrecking our county. The reason law enforcement can't keep up is because we are the number one place for commercial growers who will keep coming here in droves unless we pass Measure B. Vote Yes on Measure B so that Mendocino County will no longer be a magnet for commercial growers.

And another anti-bee Big Lie: They bought space on the "Republican Voter Guide" for No on B and use a quote from Sheriff Tom Allman to make it look like he is against B.

just the facts wrote:

And another anti-bee Big Lie: They bought space on the "Republican Voter Guide" for No on B and use a quote from Sheriff Tom Allman to make it look like he is against B.

The bold print mention of Allman's neutrality must have been too subtle for "just half facts" ;-) can someone explain it to 'em?

U R Troll wrote:

<quoted text> The bold print mention of Allman's neutrality must have been too subtle for "just half facts" ;-) can someone explain it to 'em?

Read it again, troll. The phony Republican Voter Guide with the misleading quote from Allman has no statement of his "neutrality." It is an obvious attempt to confuse and mislead the voters. Law enforcement supports Measure B because it will make their jobs safer by driving the large commercial growers out of Mendocino County.

truth to tell wrote:

The anti-bees struck with their first Big Lie mailer today.

You can avoid the paper by going to their website:

http://www.nomeasureb.org/

You might note that they aren't actually lying at all, but they ARE making a big point of the twenty-five plant 'limit'.

You guys still are trying to convince us that large scale grow ops in the thousands are bad because they are unregulated.

I don't think you have much disagreement on a number of the 'worst-case' scenarios, but then, these AREN'T people who have gardens of twenty-five plants.

That's like saying, Osama is fleeing Afghanistan to Pakistan, so let's attack Iraq!

Or did you fall for that one, too?

Anyway, none of the cases that are being brought up are the kind that Measure B addresses.

If you can't actually cite a SINGLE case where one of these twenty-five plant growers caused some kind of problem, then WHY put them in jail?

I think the No-On-B people make a great point when they mention: Sheriff Tom Allman has said that reducing patient plant guidelines to six plants would be "a burden on law enforcement" under which his deputies "will not be able to focus on any other public safety issue".(Press Democrat 3/17/07)

Of course, they look to have a fiscally conservative Republican (Tom Davenport, Republican, Co. Treasurer) on board, so that's no big surprise that they would point to the sheer expense of this proposition.

And this big oil spill that everyone keeps babbling about (at least the only one I could find, the one mentioned at the Ukiah City Council) didn't happen here, from what I was able to tell. It looks to have been somewhere near the Bay.

But then, we'd be talking about how it cost *US*$625K to clean it up, since it would be a local issue, right? We wouldn't be hearing about it third-hand in a meeting designed as a pep-rally for Measure B.

And we have no idea how many plants that grow was supporting, since the report wasn't specific, but you can bet that it was WAY more than twenty-five.

And if you've got twenty-five plants, and B passes, you WILL be a criminal, even if you have a card.

They aren't 'lying' at all in what they are saying (at least, not on their web site), but if the paper that comes to my house matches the web site, I'll venture that you are,'truth to tell'.

Hey, if Measure B passes, we can start having our own versions of the Tracy Ingle story.

Do you know that one? Where the cops broke into the wrong house and shot the resident and THEN set him up for the drug bust (w/o any actual 'drugs') to shut him up?

http://www.justicefortracy.com/

http://reason.com/blog/show/126284.html

It will be so much simpler to cover up those little 'oops' moments when most of the population are easily 'criminalized' again, won't it?

More bait and switch. The phony baloney slick glossy mailer is not on the anti-bee website.

The Big Lie is that Measure B is in any way against medical marijuana or will harm medical patients. The anti-bees paint this false picture of the sick and dieing being denied their medicine. The reality is that only the commercial growers will suffer.

wretch, who is intentionally lieing, can go to www.YesOnBCoalition.org to read personal stories of people who are being hurt by phony medical growers, some of them with only 25 plants.

Jim Harrison, from environmental health, has documented dozens of grows that have created an environmental disaster in Mendocino County. wretch has seen Jim's slideshow, but is lieing like the other anti-bees. They are afraid to lose their $100,000. or more a year in tax free income.

People, can we tell the truth here? Ninety percent of all marijuana grows are purely commercial. The growers hide behind the patients and use medical marijuana as a cover to grow hundreds of plants or more. One "medical" grow in Fort Braff had 2,000 plants and over 1,000 pounds of processed bud. It was protected by 200 "medical" cards. This is one of the "small medical grows" that the anti-bees are trying to protect. Don't be fooled! Vote Yes on B to stop the abuse.

MENDO MOUNT wrote:

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TRUTH TO TELL, SPARTACUS,
YOUR THE BIGGEST LIAR ON HERE!
GET REAL!
MEASURE B TURNS MENDOCINO INTO A POLICE STATE!
IT WAS THE BIGGEST FEAR FOR MEDICAL GROWERS:
THAT THEY WOULD GET LEGAL, STAY WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE FAIR LAW MEASURE G, THEN........
OUT OF NOWHERE THE COUNTY CHANGE ITS MIND AND TURN IT'S BACKS ON THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN AIDING BY THE LAW, I DONT GROW OR HAVE A CARD I'M ONLY A BLOGGER, BUT I MAKE GOOD MONEY DOING THAT!
BUT ALL THESE POOR PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP FOR MM ARE NOW BEING TREATED AS CRIMINALS.
PEOPLE WHO FOLLOWED THE LAW TO A T!
WHY SHOULD WE TURN OUR BACKS ON MENDOCINO'S SICK AND DIEING?
MEASURE B DOES NOTHING FOR THE LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL GROWERS!
MEASURE B ONLY PENALIZES THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES!
THE COMMERCIAL GROWERS SUPPORT MEASURE B!

MM,

Nope! Not me... they aint a dat-gum single hillbilly word in that thar writ! And besides, I never talk about Doctors, I don't like Doctors!

One thing I am is NOT a liar, and I always tell the truth... even when I lie! BUT! or is it BUTT! Whatever... that's not me, I DO NOT hide!

If'n I got somethin't say to ya, ahma-gonna SAY IT just like ahma-doin' RAT NOW!

Good, or Bad! I say it and I let you know WHO I am when I'm talkin' to ya! YA HEAR!

"NOW BLOW, I aint-a doin' this again ya fish!"

_Spartacus_

MENDO MOUNT wrote:

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I DONT GROW OR HAVE A CARD I'M ONLY A BLOGGER, BUT I MAKE GOOD MONEY DOING THAT!

How much are the anti-bees paying you to spam this forum?

MENDO MOUNT wrote:

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WHY SHOULD WE TURN OUR BACKS ON THE SICK AND DIEING?

Senate Bill 420 and the California Medical Board guarantee that any patient may have as much medical marijuana as their doctor prescribes.

The sick and dieing are protected by Measure B. Only commercial growers (the thick and lieing) are threatened by Measure B. Vote "YES" on B.

_Spartacus_ wrote:

<quoted text>
MM,
Nope! Not me... they aint a dat-gum single hillbilly word in that thar writ! And besides, I never talk about Doctors, I don't like Doctors!
One thing I am is NOT a liar, and I always tell the truth... even when I lie! BUT! or is it BUTT! Whatever... that's not me, I DO NOT hide!
If'n I got somethin't say to ya, ahma-gonna SAY IT just like ahma-doin' RAT NOW!
Good, or Bad! I say it and I let you know WHO I am when I'm talkin' to ya! YA HEAR!
"NOW BLOW, I aint-a doin' this again ya fish!"
_Spartacus_

aw'right partner,

ya know what, I really thought that was you man!
but as I read on, I realized it wan't you.
you kinda backwoods too..........
we all got more in common than dese here posts would say! When it rains on my land, well by goller it probly' rains at your house! After all we are all neighbors!
But by golly, I wouldn't trample your flowers.....
your my neighbor!

peace spartacus...... the coolest yes on b sob der is!

just the facts wrote:

wretch, who is intentionally lieing, can go to www.YesOnBCoalition.org to read personal stories of people who are being hurt by phony medical growers, some of them with only 25 plants.
Jim Harrison, from environmental health, has documented dozens of grows that have created an environmental disaster in Mendocino County. wretch has seen Jim's slideshow, but is lieing like the other anti-bees. They are afraid to lose their $100,000. or more a year in tax free income.

JTF, I'm a software engineer. I can make more at it, legally, than what you think a grower can make, and still have plenty of time off to write stuff like this (when need be).

I read bits of Jim's slideshow, and only quoted what figures I saw, but it was quite clear that the half-million dollar cleanup WASN'T here.

The article was worded in such a way that a careless reader wouldn't notice he'd switched from Potter Valley to the Bay area.

If it were here, wouldn't you be citing the extra half-million dollars out of our budget as a 'fact'?

I read the B-Movie site 'testimonials'.

None of the under twenty-five complaints were about being 'hurt'(unless you find it possible to 'injure' someone with a smell, or an affront to their prejudices).

I find the entire concept of some neighbors being able to dictate what kind of flowers grow in another neighbor's yard kind of creepy, personally, if the criteria is smell.

And if our administration can drown people over and over and call it 'interrogation', I find it ludicrous to consider an odor harmful.

So you called me a liar, but you didn't really state what I said that was untrue, like I do when I do that.

Is this just an "I'm rubber, you're glue" thing, or was there some specific error of fact that you were trying to point to?

I went to the county Environmental Health site, thinking THEY must have a copy of this slideshow thing.

I even drilled down into the Hazmat and Land Use sections, but found not a peep out of them on the entire topic. Now, given that they even have a section on Blue-Green Algae, Paralytic Shellfish and Rabies Surveillance Programs, I thought it a rather glaring omission.

Are you sure the Public Health Department SENT Jim Harrison down to do that slideshow?

I mean, he used his title. He WAS there officially, right?

Funny that they didn't think it important enough to put the slideshow up on the site:

http://www.co.mendocino.ca.us/eh/

wretch is lieing when he say there is only one pot garden related diesel spill in Mendocino County.

Jim Harrison says that 90% of the commercial grows that he sees are environmental disasters. Anyone who has seen his slideshow has seen the plastic water tanks with leaking plastic fittings and hoses that are used to store the diesel that powers the generators for the large indoor grows. They like to grow indoors because they can protect their plants from rain and the resultant mildew. They can also grow year round. They store as much as 30,000 gallons of diesel on site in plastic water tanks.

Equally bad is the accumulation (or dumping) of waste oil. Often hundreds of gallons per site.The oil in the generators must be changed frequently. It is often stored outdoors in open buckets where it spills onto the ground when it rains. Sometimes it is just dumped in the ground like the case on Shimmins Ridge where they were dumping it in a pit right above the river. That one will probably cost hundreds of thousands to clean up. Most of the cleanups have been covered by the state, but Harrison says we have been put on notice that the state will no longer pay for marijuana related cleanups.

wretch is lieing by pretending that 25 plants right next door is not a problem. How about Lucy Cimolino who was attacked twice by a grower's vicious dog? Once in her own yard and once in her house when the door was open? The vicious dog was to guard the 25 plant or less crop of the commercial grower next door. How about Lucy and hundreds like her who can't open their windows in the fall? How about the people who have respiratory problems and whose health is threatend by the heavy stench? How about the people who are fearful that the pot robber will get the wrong house? And the parents who don't know what to tell their kids about the commercial garden next door that is guarded by armed thugs and vicious dogs.

wretch is intentionally lieing when he pretends that there is no evidence of commercial marijuana abuse in Mendocino County. End the abuse. Vote "Yes" on Measure B.

just the facts wrote:

wretch is lieing when he say there is only one pot garden related diesel spill in Mendocino County.

Gee, you really have a black-and-white mentality, don't you?

I said I only found one MENTION of diesel in Mendocino County (I didn't say it spilled). As far as I know, it DIDN'T spill.

I tried to look up the big ($625M) cleanup that was referenced, but I don't find it listed anywhere in Mendocino County.

Surely, you people would be screaming bloody murder and shoving the receipt in our faces if that had really happened here.

So I'm saying I see no PROOF that these outlandish claims are true.

I'd like to see the receipts.

That's not 'lying', that's 'fiscal responsibility'.

You people are like a bunch of Chicken Little's running around, but when asked to produce a piece of the fallen sky, you stand there with your thumb up your butt.

All you have to do to make your point is produce the evidence.

Show me this example (ANY example) of the hypothetical person who has violated what would be Measure B, and how passing it will resolve the issue.

You don't get to include 'smelling' as a complaint, though. That's just rude to consider (and truly petty). But it is nice to see that your side has resorted to grasping at straws.

Oops, that should have been $625K.

And again, saying that I'm not finding proof of this relation isn't lying.

But saying that you guys are lying in correlating Measure B, which relates to a twenty-five plant limit, and these obviously commercial operations on public land is right.

There's still no connection between the two.

If there were people violating what would be Measure B, right now, in the way you are making up stories about, we would be SEEING THEIR NAMES IN THE PAPER.

There would be arrests. You can't just dump diesel fuel. It's illegal. Their land would be confiscated, most likely.

So WHY aren't you citing these offenses?

It's because it's NOT happening on these twenty-five plant grows.

Please, if you want to call me a liar, just prove me so.

It should be SO EASY, right? I mean, this Harrison guy should be able to cite chapter and verse of all the examples. Why don't you bother him for some details to cite here and shut me up?

Well,now, there is proof that the no on b coalition is laced mith Lies, misconceptions, false innuendo and deception.
CONGRATULATIONS No on B Coalition, you forced Tom Allman to choose the Yes on B side because you tried todeceive the public with your little flyer, hoping people wouldn/t read the fine print.

Keep your propoganda coming fools, you are to stoned to keep it truthful and honest.

Then there is Live and Let Live.... You stated that you sued Prop B and tried to get a TRO. Are you the long lost son of James Kinder? If you want to "Live and let Live" why not let the peoples voice be heard instead of suing us out of OUR say? I know, I know you only allow freedom of speech if it concurs with your own greed filled agenda. You are an I D I O T !!!

just the facts wrote:

wretch is lieing by pretending that 25 plants right next door is not a problem. How about Lucy Cimolino who was attacked twice by a grower's vicious dog? Once in her own yard and once in her house when the door was open? The vicious dog was to guard the 25 plant or less crop of the commercial grower next door.

How many dog attacks are directly related to pot growing? How many are not? How do you know that the 25 plant garden is "commercial?" My husband was raised in a rural washington state town. His father was gone 10 months out of the year fishing. They had 2, yes 2 rotweillers at any given time, to protect the family while he was away. They never grew pot. Their dogs never attacked or mauled anyone.
Animal attacks can happen at any time a dog owner is careless. Are you suggesting that all aggressive and viscious dogs are only owned by pot growers?
You keep posting these theories as if they were fact. That is irresponsible.

Well, my Pit Bull had a litter of puppies, I advertised them in the UDJ and guess what? I was hammered by dope growing vermin wanting to take a puppy for "protection"
These people are partially responsible for the breeds bad reputation.....along with Mike Vick.

After the dog has served his purpose for the season, he is usually left in the woods