Sides being chosen over marijuana initiative

reality checker wrote:

interesting info. on James Kinder of San Diego. Read on
SAN DIEGO -- A fax machine, pager and a telephone are what brought 24 lawyers to a local courtroom.
It's not one case; it's 165 and counting.
But there is just one plaintiff -- James Kinder, owner of Rainbow Rent-A-Car on India Street.
Kinder is a former lawyer once convicted of fraud. He is in a legal battle now on another matter.
Including one with Jack DeAngelis.
"They're asking for money, asking for money and kind of shaking me down," said De Angelis.
It all happened after De Angelis sent Kinder a fax soliciting guests for a radio show. Kinder called him.
"He said,'Today is the worst day of your life. I'm in the fax mafia and I'm in the fax suing business,'" said De Angelis.
Kinder sent De Angelis a demand for $10,000 for the one fax, claiming it violated several federal and state business and telemarketing laws.
"I said,'Go wherever you need to go, my friend. You're not getting a dime out of me,'" said De Angelis.
Kinder went to court and sued De Angelis for $25,000, plus penalties and fees, adding to the pile of Kinder cases.
"Keep in mind, this is not my only 165 cases, I have lots and lots of other cases," said Judge Ronald Styn.
So, has Kinder over the years. He has been involved in more than 600 cases.
The Superior Court lists him as a vexatious litigant, someone who abuses the court system with frivolous claims.
Kinder was a personal injury attorney until 1989. He gave up his license right before the State Bar Court was set to disbar him from crimes involving moral turpitude.
A State Bar document obtained by 10News explained that Kinder forged a marriage license so a woman could marry her dead boyfriend, collect the life insurance money and split it with Kinder.
Kinder's take for forging the license was $3,300.
In a phone call with 10News' Lauren Reynolds, Kinder described the episode as a mistake. He said it has nothing to do with the current litigation, which he said is a "public service."
Kinder claims to represent the little people against telemarketers, but defense attorneys handling the 165 current cases said it is a scam based on Kinder's unique phone number.
Defense attorney Tim Vanden Heuvel said, "Essentially this number is being used to generate litigation and nothing else."
Kinder has the phone number nine nine nine-nine nine nine nine. He said it is the most valuable number in San Diego for marketing.
The problem is many businesses, medical clinics and even charities use nine nine nine-nine nine nine nine when inputting customer information into a computer if the customer's real phone number isn't known. Kinder receives all the calls for nine nine nine-nine nine nine nine, calls meant for other people.
"This defense team is optimistic that this will be dismissed at an early stage," said defense attorney Bryan Shartle.
Kinder sues individuals, businesses, non-profits and even charities. He has just filed suit against Rady Children's Hospital and the Salvation Army.
10News attempted to talk to Kinder at his rental car business, but he was not there. It was learned that Kinder was in jail serving time for violating a court order.
10News contacted Kinder in jail by e-mail to see if he wanted to comment, but he did not respond.
Because Kinder is considered a vexatious litigation, he may be forced to post a multimillion-dollar bond before his current round of cases could go forward.

James M Kinder wrote:

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Duh. I am not the same person. Do you think he has access to e-mail in a jail?

Watcher wrote:

ukiahan
apalled in Florida wrote
"I have no problem with people who grow marijuana to sell smoke eat whatever theywant to do."
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Watcher wrote:
Your opinion falls apart when you take into consideration that way over half of the pot that's grown ends up in the hands of kids under the age of 18.
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ukiahan wrote:
you can repeat this a million times, but it still won't make it true. Once again, go to schools and talk to them and they will tell you the real problems (funding), but reality isn't nearly as much as a vivid imagination.
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Watcher wrote:
Ukiahan It really helps to know what you're talking about. It's like dominoes.
First, pot pours into the schools.
Second, pot causes a drop in grades, a drop in attendance and an increase in the drop out rate.
Third, because schools get their money fro graduation and attendance, the schools money is cut.
Fourth, as an act of self-preservation the teachers and schools systems doctor the attendance books and give away grades.
End result, the quick patch attempted by the school systems never lasts for long and the kids end up the long-term losers.

Watcher wrote:

Truth Seeker is wrong!!!

Watcher wrote:

Here is a report released recently about kids and pot. It describes many of the problems experienced by kids when they smoke pot. Marijuana depresses many kids because they can't function without their short-term memory.

writch wrote:

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This report is trying to make a causative case where there is merely a correlative one, and says nothing even REMOTELY near that half-brained statement that it has to do with their short-term memory.
The children in the report were ALREADY depressed. It's not surprising that people with a mental illness try to self-medicate. We can't say here whether depressed people are more likely to smoke pot (but I suspect it's the case).
Now, you have to consider that these people's JOBS are at stake, and that you cannot trust them to give you a fair evaluation, since they'd all be out of work.
But last year, they were trying to convince us all that pot made people become schizophrenics, if you recall.
Prohibition, now THAT's depressing.
And supporting it makes one have a form of multiple-personality disorder, apparently.

saundra richards wrote:

"There are really no other medications that have the same mechanisms of action as marijuana. Dronabinol (Marinol) is available by prescription in capsules, but has the distinct disadvantage of containing only synthetic delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) which is only one of many therapeutically beneficial cannabinoids in the natural plant."
-- Gregory T. Carter, M.D.
Co-director, MDA/ALS Center,
University of Washington Medical Center
Muscular Dystrophy Association website article
October, 2003

reality checker wrote:

try THIS on for size, and THEN direct your feeble pro-pot argument toward them:
F.D.A. Dismisses Medical Benefit From Marijuana
By GARDINER HARRIS
WASHINGTON, April 20 — The Food and Drug Administration said Thursday that "no sound scientific studies" supported the medical use of marijuana, contradicting a 1999 review by a panel of highly regarded scientists.
The announcement inserts the health agency into yet another fierce political fight.
Susan Bro, an agency spokeswoman, said Thursday's statement resulted from a past combined review by federal drug enforcement, regulatory and research agencies that concluded "smoked marijuana has no currently accepted or proven medical use in the United States and is not an approved medical treatment."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/21/health/21ma...