Sheriff discusses policies

Whats REALLY Happening wrote:

Vote Estelle! BOS needs a supervisor who cares about the ordinary citizen.

The Deputy Sheriff's Association and the paid spammer from Hawaii agree on one thing: Estelle Clifton is the pro-marijuana candidate.

Estelle Palley Clifton : The Mendocino County Deputy Sheriff's Association opposes Mendocino County Board of Supervisor candidate Estelle Palley Clifton because of her stance on marijuana.

allman will say anything the people wants to hear.last year he wanted the 25 plant zip tie program. Now he's again it? I wonder what he'll say next

The question remains:
What are the real priorities???
I just keep posting truth with references cited.
Our own supervisors said there are 100's of 10'000+ plant patches. But these fools hear wanna keep harassing and sending their neighbors to jail for small "mom and pops" gardens.
Just watch the Supervisors Meeting Movie...
IM NOT MAKING THIS UP, THEY ADMIT IT!
"were not dealing with the 10,000 plant issues, were not dealing with the 5,000 plant issues, precisely because we have limits to what a county can do on those cases, so were picking on the mom and poppers" -Supervisor Colfax
Marijuana Patches of 10,000 Plants Ignored
While Law Enforcement Worries about
Enforcement of Measure B
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Just loved Pinches and Colfax's response of how the county should be dealing with the 10,000 plant patches, instead of wasting time and money busting "mom and Pops" gardens.
Colfax relays that we should go back to reading the constitution. Pinches says that Measure G was to put the pressure on the large gardens, Measure B worries about the 6-25 plant gardens while 10,000 plant gardens are sucking the eel river dry, he says again " no I don't mean sucking the eel river down, I'm talking about these large gardens sucking the eel river dry". he futhers "were sitting here worrying about gardens of 6-25 plants while there are hundreds of 10,000 + plant crops"
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Colfax says- "were not dealing with the 10,000 plant issues, were not dealing with the 5,000 plant issues, precisely because we have limits to what a county can do on those cases, so were picking on the mom and poppers, precisely with those who were out there during the last campaign talkin about save our local economy, I'm not sure if that is what is really about but the fact of the matter is whats happening, were going after the mom and poppers with 6-25 plants. If thats your idea of justice in Mendocino County today then I think we need to go back to reading our constitution."

anonymous wrote:

Ummm BULLSH!T you know that you have arrested legitimate medical growers and you fear lawsuits, that's why you are getting this crap published. You are the worst scum on earth, as you TARGET sick people.

Selling pot is illegal and there is no such thing as "legitimate medical growers" because smoking pot is not a healthy thing to do. It's just a profitable thing to do for the growers and most of what they grow goes to kids.

I challenge you to find me a high school or junior high school in this country where pot isn't available. Now calculate how much pot it takes to make pot available in all those schools. Now burn a few more brain cells figuring out where all that pot comes from.

I'll see you in class bright and early tomorrow morning and there will be a test.(Spelling counts).

"It's just a profitable thing to do for the growers and most of what they grow goes to kids."

It's good to know that the kids have all the money for the pot that's being grown. I mean, I remember as a kid when I got my $2500 allowance, I went right out to get myself a pound.

Your argument is full of fail. Try again.

I won't argue that the 25 plant medicals are being used for profit instead of the intended medicinal use, but I will argue about whether or not it improves or tears down our community.
To say that the increased amount of income in the community is a BAD thing shows a fundamental lack of understanding of economics. Even if the people growing their medicals for profit aren't paying taxes on their profits, as long as they're LOCALS that money goes back into the community. They buy goods and services that benefit local businesses, and that's VERY good for the community.

If the sheriff's dept. is ignoring the 10,000 plant gardens and busting the little guys they're not doing the community a service. If those gardens are sucking the Eel river dry (or otherwise depleting water that we need), causing massive erosion, in addition to pollution then they are the real threat.

If more plants = more of a crime in the eyes of the law, then WHY AREN'T THESE FUCKERS BEING BUSTED & PROSECUTED?

MEDICAL MARIJUANA RAID ON THE ELDERLY REAPS 4 ARRESTS, 3 SEVERED FAMILIES, 5 GRANDCHILDREN TAKEN AWAY,$55,000 IN LIFE SAVINGS CONFISCATED.

This is the story of Lester "Smitty" Smith, 89, and his wife Mary, 79, of Philo and last Wednesday's marijuana raid on their home and the homes of their 2 granddaughters, their husbands and children. The adult grandchildren, Yolanda and Carla Mayberry, 31 and 29, and their husbands were hauled away by sheriff's deputies; CPA took all five kids.

There was apparently a neighbor's smell complaint that drew deputies to the Philo residence of the elderly couple who grew their own modest garden of 17 marijuana plants for medical use under their doctor's approval. Their granddaughters and husbands were growing a total of 74 plants for 3 people on an adjoining parcel, a combined total of 91 plants. They were in compliance with local guidelines of 25 plants per person (Measure G), which was the law in place when they planted their gardens in the spring before the June election.

Deputies illegally used Mendocino County civil nuisance ordinance 9.31 -- the 25 plants per parcel law -- to justify confiscating all their plants, leaving none as medicine for ill people. They explained that all three families exceeded the 25 plants per parcel limit, so they were taking it all. Plus they found the couple's life savings of $55,400 in cash and took that too, rather than bother with a messy arrest of the elderly couple.

All this havoc, disruption and suffering was over legitimate cultivation of marijuana for medical purposes: all 6 adults were Prop 215 approved.

"Smitty" and his wife Mary were at home Sept 24 around noon, when Sheriff's deputies and Child Protective Agency officers began arriving based on a complaint with a warrant in hand for one of the granddaughters. But they had to call in a request for separate parcel warrants on the elderly Smiths plus the 2nd granddaughter and her husband. Deputies evacuated everyone from their houses, forcing them to wait outside for five hours until the additional warrants arrived.

Once they gained legal entry into the Smith's house, it turns out deputies were more interested in robbing than arresting them, when they discovered $54,000 in cash and 2 family guns (revolver and rifle). Smith was smart to take his property receipt in the next day to reclaim his wrongly seized life savings and family heirlooms. He filled out forms claiming legitimacy for their life savings from his wife's inheritance and his own cashed in CDs. "When the Wall Street thing hit, I put money in a safe."

I asked him to describe the experience. "They turned everything upside down on me. They charged in here all of a sudden and went nuts. They said I couldn't have two gardens on one parcel. I had 17 plants for me and Mary. That's too many? They took my pot and all my life savings. They took my gun. I'm not a terrorist. They left us outside and wouldn't let me go in the house and check on my wife. She's ill, stays in her wheelchair or recliner most of the time. She has congestive heart failure, osteoporosis, arthritis and some other health problems. They took Mary's tea buds. That's what really upset her. They took all my granddaughter's kids and told one sister to move away from the other one because they thought she was a bad influence. I've never seen such a bunch."

I asked Yolanda, 31, the oldest sister, about her take on the raid. "They were unjustified coming in my house, taking my kids. We were charged with cultivation and cultivation for sale. But our marijuana is legal. I'm a caregiver for my husband. My sister and her husband are medical. They had a warrant for my sister's house, not mine, not Grampa's. They took Grampa's life savings. They scared me and coerced a false confession. They told me a lie: that Grampa had told them I'd sold some of his marijuana for $500. I didn't want to contradict what they said he said and get him in trouble so I told them I did. I was crying, sick, throwing up. I'm very upset. I feel they came in here and took our lives away from us."

I asked Yolanda how it unfolded. "Me and my sister were at the house. The cops show up. CPS asks about my sister, saw my husband's garden and my sister's and her husband's. We had five gardens total, 91 plants total. We thought we were allowed 25 plants per garden. That's what they used against us. They said we could have only 25 plants per parcel. Grampa has two parcels so they took everything. We waited all those hours for the warrants to arrive. At the end, when they finally arrived, they arrested our husbands and brought me and my sister off to the side. We thought they were going to tell us what was happening. We had no idea they would arrest us too. They threw us in the back (of the patrol car). CPS took our kids in a separate vehicle."

There was apparently a separate CPS complaint as well, based on things Carla's 7-year old boy is supposed to have said. There is always the kiddie bugaboo, which creeps into every case where a justification for separating families is needed.

Yolanda explained, "It's her littlest son's mouth. We hear he's supposed to have made up stories that he helped trim, that he smoked it, that our dogs and horses smoked it. This is a seven-year old with a wild imagination, give me a break. We make it so our kids never touch it. It's in a separate area. My sister is a good mother."

I am grateful to Karen Ottoboni for bringing this situation to my attention. Her comment, "We can't let this happen to our 90 year olds" says it all.

So Mendocino county what part of people v kelly and people v phopodaky don't you understand.
Plant limits are illegal.
Prepare to be sued.

Heywood Jablome wrote:

"It's just a profitable thing to do for the growers and most of what they grow goes to kids."
It's good to know that the kids have all the money for the pot that's being grown. I mean, I remember as a kid when I got my $2500 allowance, I went right out to get myself a pound.
Your argument is full of fail. Try again.
I won't argue that the 25 plant medicals are being used for profit instead of the intended medicinal use, but I will argue about whether or not it improves or tears down our community.
To say that the increased amount of income in the community is a BAD thing shows a fundamental lack of understanding of economics. Even if the people growing their medicals for profit aren't paying taxes on their profits, as long as they're LOCALS that money goes back into the community. They buy goods and services that benefit local businesses, and that's VERY good for the community.
If the sheriff's dept. is ignoring the 10,000 plant gardens and busting the little guys they're not doing the community a service. If those gardens are sucking the Eel river dry (or otherwise depleting water that we need), causing massive erosion, in addition to pollution then they are the real threat.
If more plants = more of a crime in the eyes of the law, then WHY AREN'T THESE FUCKERS BEING BUSTED & PROSECUTED?

Except the ONLY money these greedy, child poisoning, environmental disaster causing dealers spend here is their welfare checks and food stamps. These are the lowest of the low, they rape our land, poison the environment and children make tons of money and live off of food stamps and welfare...that's great economics, huh? You are a criminal of the worst kind, greedy s o b

Nothing Good about Marijuana 1

In recent days it seems all I can hear is the talk about Marijuana becoming legal. Here in Canada that is practically a reality. And I can't help but think that this really isn't good. As I talk to others around me, I begin to feel like more and more of an island in an ocean of Pro-Pot people, young and old. I have tried looking up on the web for the opinions of people who are against the legalization, and more importantly, against the use of marijuana, and have been largely unsuccessful. I can't seem to find anyone out there who agrees with me, even when I am actively trying to. Is there really no one out there who thinks the use and legalization of marijuana sucks?

Well, if no one else has written it then I guess I will. I'm sick of turning around and bumping into all these opinions stating that marijuana should be legal, and that marijuana is good, and that we should be "proud" to be pot smokers. You know you're already a pot smoker, and perhaps smoked a little too much when you take pride in such an inane activity. You can be proud of an accomplishment, or a goal you've reached. But if you seriously think you can be proud of being pot smoker, then you are a case example of the kind of person I am talking about.

In order to preemptively cut short the responses I am anticipating, let me start by saying that all statistics are generalizations, and that in all blocks of statistics there are ALWAYS exceptions. Therefore is not a valid argument to say, "I knew this college professor, and he was really smart, and he smoked pot everyday." To assume based on a sample size of one or two that Pot has no negative side affects on the human brain is a mistake in logic. I could also say that I've met many young individuals who have done nothing with their lives, and have smoked so much pot that they live in a permanent haze of dull and deadened intellect, needing to pause and think before remembering what their own name is. So please, don't tell me about Mr. X who is a genius and a pot smoker. No medical professional would tell you that smoking weed is good for your brain.

It's easy for someone who has a good life, to do stupid things to themselves from time to time with little concern that it will do any lasting damage. But what about the victims of substance abuse? For a few people, substances can be fun at a party, meanwhile the poor and the down-and-out or the mentally or emotionally abused try out drugs and alcohol and find how wonderful they are at helping them forget about their troubles. If you accept the use of recreational drugs at all you are accepting and validating an industry that feeds on the exploitation of the weak, poor, and mentally or emotionally ill. How much is your party fun really worth?

I've never smoked Pot. And I don't want to. I'm a human being, with a healthy mind, and a great sense of self worth. I have hobbies and friends, and a decent job. I like to learn, and discuss, and debate. I enjoy everyday that I'm alive, for no better reason than because life is precious. I have parents and siblings who love me, and quite frankly I don't have the time to waste puffing a narcotic into my system. I believe that properly functioning, mentally sound, and emotionally stable and satisfied people do not have any interest in smoking pot.

Continued:

Nothing Good about Marijuana 2

Pot generally doesn't make people violent like alcohol does. And this is why it's so insidious. It "seems" so harmless that no one who smokes it can possibly imagine why it's bad. But I think the reason it's bad is on a much lower level. People believe they need it to have a good time or to enjoy their day. This attitude is psychologically contagious and underlines the evidence that we as a society have a problem.

Why is it that our young minds aren't playing chess, or soccer? or painting pictures? or learning to play musical instruments? Or being constructive in some beneficial way? And if they are, why do they feel they can't do those things without the assistance of a drug that alters their minds? The truth is that pot is a white wash, a quick fix. It seems trivial, but it washes over a person and relieves them of all the painful but natural life processes that help them to grow. Concerns about the environment, concerns about war and prejudice, lack of self-esteem, troubles at home or at school, they all just melt away when you've washed yourself clean with a little marijuana.

The underlying reasons for pot smoking are no different than the underlying reasons for alcoholism, unfortunately the side affects of pot aren't so apparent as those of alcohol. Why is that unfortunate? because somehow it tricks people into thinking that drug use is happy and good.

There is nothing good going on for the individual who feels compelled to hide behind a drug. No child should feel it's necessary to drug themselves just so they can manage their day. And the truth is, there are no quick fixes in life.

We as a nation of concerned adults should be standing up and questioning the growing trend of marijuana use. We should be asking ourselves, why are our children turning to a drug to enjoy their lives. What have we done wrong in our efforts to educate and to love them?

I propose that there is a very common thread running through society that connects all the elements of dysfunctional life. From inflated divorce rates, to increase in obesity, depression and the increasing frequency of violence, the individuals' seclusion from society and this strange desire for legalizing a drug that's only remarkable quality is its ability to alter your perception. So a lot of people are clamoring for the legalization of Marijuana? Public opinion rules right? If most people want it, it must be good right? Wrong. If most people want something that is bad for them, then we have a serious problem.

If we want to help ourselves, and the generations to come, we should be working to solve the problems of our society, not brushing them under the carpet for someone else to fix. It's time to wake up from our delusions that drugs are good. We have a problem and we need a real solution. A solution that will take generations to fix, just like every other problem in our society, from violence and abuse to environmental damage. Don't make a poor situation worse by giving up.
Stand up against the legalization of recreational drugs. We don't need them, we don't want them, and we sure as hell don't want our children to start needing them.

My name is Greg Nacu, I'm a 23 year old resident of Kingston Ontario Canada, and I say 'No' to Pot.

Watcher wrote:

Nothing Good about Marijuana 2
Pot generally doesn't make people violent like alcohol does. And this is why it's so insidious. It "seems" so harmless that no one who smokes it can possibly imagine why it's bad. But I think the reason it's bad is on a much lower level. People believe they need it to have a good time or to enjoy their day. This attitude is psychologically contagious and underlines the evidence that we as a society have a problem.
Why is it that our young minds aren't playing chess, or soccer? or painting pictures? or learning to play musical instruments? Or being constructive in some beneficial way? And if they are, why do they feel they can't do those things without the assistance of a drug that alters their minds? The truth is that pot is a white wash, a quick fix. It seems trivial, but it washes over a person and relieves them of all the painful but natural life processes that help them to grow. Concerns about the environment, concerns about war and prejudice, lack of self-esteem, troubles at home or at school, they all just melt away when you've washed yourself clean with a little marijuana.
The underlying reasons for pot smoking are no different than the underlying reasons for alcoholism, unfortunately the side affects of pot aren't so apparent as those of alcohol. Why is that unfortunate? because somehow it tricks people into thinking that drug use is happy and good.
There is nothing good going on for the individual who feels compelled to hide behind a drug. No child should feel it's necessary to drug themselves just so they can manage their day. And the truth is, there are no quick fixes in life.
We as a nation of concerned adults should be standing up and questioning the growing trend of marijuana use. We should be asking ourselves, why are our children turning to a drug to enjoy their lives. What have we done wrong in our efforts to educate and to love them?
I propose that there is a very common thread running through society that connects all the elements of dysfunctional life. From inflated divorce rates, to increase in obesity, depression and the increasing frequency of violence, the individuals' seclusion from society and this strange desire for legalizing a drug that's only remarkable quality is its ability to alter your perception. So a lot of people are clamoring for the legalization of Marijuana? Public opinion rules right? If most people want it, it must be good right? Wrong. If most people want something that is bad for them, then we have a serious problem.
If we want to help ourselves, and the generations to come, we should be working to solve the problems of our society, not brushing them under the carpet for someone else to fix. It's time to wake up from our delusions that drugs are good. We have a problem and we need a real solution. A solution that will take generations to fix, just like every other problem in our society, from violence and abuse to environmental damage. Don't make a poor situation worse by giving up.
Stand up against the legalization of recreational drugs. We don't need them, we don't want them, and we sure as hell don't want our children to start needing them.
My name is Greg Nacu, I'm a 23 year old resident of Kingston Ontario Canada, and I say 'No' to Pot.

Very Poignant, to the point and T R U E !!!!

I can't wait for the screaming child poisoners to start crying about this! They will not like the light of truth shining so brightly upon their failings!

The people who are ignoring all laws against illegal drugs and filling our schools with marijuana say they want pot legalized.

WHAT NEXT?

Should we say yes to legalizing bank robbery?

Should we say yes to legalizing pedophilia?

Should we say yes to legalizing drunk driving?

Should we say yes to legalizing murder?

OF COARSE NOT

Doing away with laws does not do away with criminal activity.

Lyrics from the song by the "Who"
"So I get on my knees and pray we don't get fooled again",

These pot growers only want money and there getting most of it from our kids. There is no such thing as legitimate drug dealing. All those who grow and sell pot are breaking Federal, State and County drug laws and helping to poison our kids.

STOP THE GREED, STOP THE LIES, STOP THE VIOLENCE, SAVE OUR CHILDREN.

anonymous wrote:

So Mendocino county what part of people v kelly and people v phopodaky don't you understand.
Plant limits are illegal.
Prepare to be sued.

The same old liberal idea "If We repeat a lie loud enough and often enough it will, eventually be perceived as truth"
Too bad there are Patriots out here who will not let that happen, idiot!

calm down watcher some of us choose to smoke pot after a hard days work. same as millions do with alcohol. and most of us don't think kids should smoke it. i have never and never plan on giving a minor pot. and saying that having it around is an open invitation for them to take some is a lame response. cigarettes, alcohol, and prescription drugs are pretty easily accessible in the home anywhere in the entire country. so the argument about poisoning kids is getting pretty old. how about educating them that pot is for adults and to maybe wait till you are an adult to try these things.
and unless you went to MEDICAL school quit judging all the MEDICAL patients.

Why Not, Hawaii comments on all sorts of stuff that is absolutrly wrong!

mad citizen wrote:

calm down watcher some of us choose to smoke pot after a hard days work. same as millions do with alcohol. and most of us don't think kids should smoke it. i have never and never plan on giving a minor pot. and saying that having it around is an open invitation for them to take some is a lame response. cigarettes, alcohol, and prescription drugs are pretty easily accessible in the home anywhere in the entire country. so the argument about poisoning kids is getting pretty old. how about educating them that pot is for adults and to maybe wait till you are an adult to try these things.
and unless you went to MEDICAL school quit judging all the MEDICAL patients.

Yah and tens of thousands of you choose to sell pot to kids.

MEDICAL MARIJUANA RAID ON THE ELDERLY REAPS 4 ARRESTS, 3 SEVERED FAMILIES, 5 GRANDCHILDREN TAKEN AWAY,$55,000 IN LIFE SAVINGS CONFISCATED.

This is the story of Lester "Smitty" Smith, 89, and his wife Mary, 79, of Philo and last Wednesday's marijuana raid on their home and the homes of their 2 granddaughters, their husbands and children. The adult grandchildren, Yolanda and Carla Mayberry, 31 and 29, and their husbands were hauled away by sheriff's deputies; CPA took all five kids.

There was apparently a neighbor's smell complaint that drew deputies to the Philo residence of the elderly couple who grew their own modest garden of 17 marijuana plants for medical use under their doctor's approval. Their granddaughters and husbands were growing a total of 74 plants for 3 people on an adjoining parcel, a combined total of 91 plants. They were in compliance with local guidelines of 25 plants per person (Measure G), which was the law in place when they planted their gardens in the spring before the June election.

Deputies illegally used Mendocino County civil nuisance ordinance 9.31 -- the 25 plants per parcel law -- to justify confiscating all their plants, leaving none as medicine for ill people. They explained that all three families exceeded the 25 plants per parcel limit, so they were taking it all. Plus they found the couple's life savings of $55,400 in cash and took that too, rather than bother with a messy arrest of the elderly couple.

All this havoc, disruption and suffering was over legitimate cultivation of marijuana for medical purposes: all 6 adults were Prop 215 approved.

"Smitty" and his wife Mary were at home Sept 24 around noon, when Sheriff's deputies and Child Protective Agency officers began arriving based on a complaint with a warrant in hand for one of the granddaughters. But they had to call in a request for separate parcel warrants on the elderly Smiths plus the 2nd granddaughter and her husband. Deputies evacuated everyone from their houses, forcing them to wait outside for five hours until the additional warrants arrived.

Once they gained legal entry into the Smith's house, it turns out deputies were more interested in robbing than arresting them, when they discovered $54,000 in cash and 2 family guns (revolver and rifle). Smith was smart to take his property receipt in the next day to reclaim his wrongly seized life savings and family heirlooms. He filled out forms claiming legitimacy for their life savings from his wife's inheritance and his own cashed in CDs. "When the Wall Street thing hit, I put money in a safe."

I asked him to describe the experience. "They turned everything upside down on me. They charged in here all of a sudden and went nuts. They said I couldn't have two gardens on one parcel. I had 17 plants for me and Mary. That's too many? They took my pot and all my life savings. They took my gun. I'm not a terrorist. They left us outside and wouldn't let me go in the house and check on my wife. She's ill, stays in her wheelchair or recliner most of the time. She has congestive heart failure, osteoporosis, arthritis and some other health problems. They took Mary's tea buds. That's what really upset her. They took all my granddaughter's kids and told one sister to move away from the other one because they thought she was a bad influence. I've never seen such a bunch."