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DA endorses Measure B

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#226
May 23, 2008
 
The only "scam" here is one that makes near harmless marijuana illegal, while very harmful alcohol is promoted to the hilt.

Vote No on B to take us closer to ending American Inquisition.
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#227
May 23, 2008
 
YES on B wrote:
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But he still must prove that the amount possessed was for his "personal medical use." So the scam continues. Vote Yes on B to Repeal bogus Measure G.
THE STATE MINIMUMS SET FORTH IN SB 420 ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/document ...

DON'T LIKE CORN?
MOVE OUT OF THE CORN FIELD!

PROTECT MENDOCINO CULTURE NO ON MEASURE B!
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#228
May 23, 2008
 
NO ON MARIJUANA
Reality Check
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#229
May 23, 2008
 
JT/NORML,

>>>”Here's an idea. Instead of trying to turn the clock back on progress, go a baby step further and let people grow as much as they want on their own land. How would you be "unprotected" in that scenario? Seems like a win for everyone - except the black market folks and the corporate/government junta that has amassed mountains of illegitimate money and power from the persecution.”

Fine. We would likely not be “unprotected” in that scenario, but that’s not the situation we have. Stay grounded in reality. How about we start over, place all the counties back on the same level of protection, and then move forward in solidarity? Your patchwork grass roots movement is dangerous and, as you mention 30 years, has not produced much. You need to build support among those of us who are not users, but realize the need for change, not dismiss and trivialize our concerns and sacrifice our protections while huddling under similar ones elsewhere.

You still have not indicated why, as an outsider, you want to subject Mendocino to less protection of the law than surrounding counties, other than it looks bad for your cause. Your rhetoric about the prohibition causing the inequality is irrelevant, because prohibition is the reality we must deal with until it’s lifted. On June 3rd is the opportunity to vote to have Mendocino’s enforcement and prosecution of criminal laws placed on the same priority levels as surrounding counties in order to provide the citizens of the county the same protections afforded their neighbors. On June 3rd, is there also the opportunity to vote for the lifting of State and Federal MJ prohibitions, which would then nullify the need for enforcement and prosecution of MJ laws and remove the criminal element from MJ? I think not. Until we have that option, why can’t you let the people decide that they want protection from criminals and stop using them as pawns?

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willits
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#230
May 23, 2008
 
Reality Check wrote:
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Wow, now that I read the whole thing, not sure how to take this. You realize that this means we are likely headed back to the CUA days? Without limits means two things: 1) It will be taken advantage of, as always and 2) Everyone will be arrested, even for 1 plant, and made to prove that they possessed for reasonable medical needs. Don’t forget, even NORML supported the MMP. I wouldn’t be jumping for joy just yet...
While it appears to be decided on solid grounds, it’s the unfortunate result of political incompetence...go figure.
Now we need a state wide voter approved legislation for the limits in california. THis would solve the "my county lets me have 3 pounds, but your county only allows 8 ounces" problem/issue. Everyone would be allowed a voter approved limit, maybe the initiative would allow for adjustments by counties or cities, but it could be done.

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#231
May 23, 2008
 
Reality Check wrote:
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Wow, now that I read the whole thing, not sure how to take this. You realize that this means we are likely headed back to the CUA days? Without limits means two things: 1) It will be taken advantage of, as always and 2) Everyone will be arrested, even for 1 plant, and made to prove that they possessed for reasonable medical needs. Don’t forget, even NORML supported the MMP. I wouldn’t be jumping for joy just yet...
While it appears to be decided on solid grounds, it’s the unfortunate result of political incompetence...go figure.
And I am sorry for calling you an idiot. my bad.
John Thomas
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May 23, 2008
 
RC

>>>"How about we start over, place all the counties back on the same level of protection, and then move forward in solidarity?"

Because solidarity is the one thing we lack due to the nature of the Inquisition. Because they have made such pariahs out of marijuana consumers, giving years of prison for the unrepentant, marijuana consumers don't even know who their brothers are in this struggle. They must be so secretive, they assume everyone around them, except for some precious one or two, are non-consumers who would gladly turn them in for any possible advantage to gain.

>>>"You still have not indicated why, as an outsider, you want to subject Mendocino to less protection of the law than surrounding counties,"

I have many times, of course. You just keep repeating that silliness as a campaign phrase.

End ALL aspects of the monstrous fraud of marijuana prohibition! NO ON B!
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#233
May 23, 2008
 
John Thomas wrote:
RC
>>>"How about we start over, place all the counties back on the same level of protection, and then move forward in solidarity?"
Because solidarity is the one thing we lack due to the nature of the Inquisition. Because they have made such pariahs out of marijuana consumers, giving years of prison for the unrepentant, marijuana consumers don't even know who their brothers are in this struggle. They must be so secretive, they assume everyone around them, except for some precious one or two, are non-consumers who would gladly turn them in for any possible advantage to gain.
>>>"You still have not indicated why, as an outsider, you want to subject Mendocino to less protection of the law than surrounding counties,"
I have many times, of course. You just keep repeating that silliness as a campaign phrase.
End ALL aspects of the monstrous fraud of marijuana prohibition! NO ON B!
No, you’re answer is irrelevant. It ignores the reality of the current state of the law. Because we have prohibition, and it’s not going away on June 3rd, why can’t Mendocino residents have the same level of protection as surrounding counties? Merely because it bruises your out of county agenda, right? I thought so.

Gaining support for your movement is necessary, you can not ignore the people in a democracy. Or are you advocating for something other than democracy?

A “No” vote on Measure B WILL NOT “End ALL aspects of the monstrous fraud of marijuana prohibition!” Until JT and his folks can do that, YES ON B!
John Thomas
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May 23, 2008
 
RC

>>>"Because we have prohibition, and it’s not going away on June 3rd, why can’t Mendocino residents have the same level of protection as surrounding counties?"

I know that's your campaign slogan, but people in surrounding counties aren't somehow better off because they have harsher prohibition laws. They are worse off. It is prohibition that causes all the problems related to marijuana. The more prohibition, the worse the problems.

>>>"Merely because it bruises your out of county agenda, right?"

This is my country. Anything that happens anywhere in my country affects me and is important to me. If you want to exclude people who don't live in your county, then declare yourself an independent nation and fight to gain it.

>>>"Gaining support for your movement is necessary, you can not ignore the people in a democracy. Or are you advocating for something other than democracy?"

Most Americans already want an end to marijuana arrests, and those numbers are growing every day. It is only because powerful interests vested in prohibition thwart the will of the people that we still have the fraud of marijuana prohibition. What I advocate for is the truth and the end of the persecution of millions of innocent Americans.

>>>"A “No” vote on Measure B WILL NOT “End ALL aspects of the monstrous fraud of marijuana prohibition!”

Too bad there is no magic pill that will do it. What we have are important steps on the road to ending the persecution. Let's take no backward steps on that road.

NO ON B!
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#235
May 24, 2008
 
YES on B wrote:
Ending federal prohibition is a great long term solution, but we can't accomplish that at the local level. The best we can do in the meantime is quit making ourselves a target for commercial growers. The anti-bees say B will do nothing to help with the big grows, that it will only be used to go after the small growers. But read the full statement by District Attorney Meredith Lintott where she clearly and emphatically says that B will be used against the big growers, not the small ones. Who shall we believe? The DA or the self-interested growers and lobbyists who defend commercial marijuana as a great thing?
The DA is the one who will file charges or not. She makes it clear that Measure G is used to protect the large growers. And she says she will accept Measure B as a "mandate to arrest and prosecute the large commercial growers."
It is a lie to say that Measure B targets one plant or seven plants. The Sheriff and DA have better things to do and have said so.

District Attorney Endorses Measure B

District Attorney Meredith Lintott released the following statement endorsing Measure B:

"Today I am announcing my endorsement for Measure B. I do so because Measure B is consistent with the protection of the rights of legitimate medical marijuana patients and will provide consistency in the law which will greatly assist in the successful prosecution of commercial growers.
As a candidate for District Attorney I pledged to protect the rights of medical marijuana patients and caregivers. I also said I would prosecute those who abuse the protections given to medical marijuana as a cover for commercial growing.
As District Attorney, it is obvious to me that Measure G has become a barrier that greatly complicates the prosecution of solid cases, even where there is overwhelming evidence of commercial cultivation, possession, transportation and sales. The defense attorneys never fail to cite Measure G as a defense for those charged with violating the laws against commercial marijuana. This is true even for the largest growing operations.
Measure G was widely considered to be an advisory measure when it passed, but was later codified as part of the Mendocino County Code. More recently the Board adopted the 25 plant limit from Measure G as the standard for the County, although there is some question whether or not the action of the Board adequately covered all the legal bases.
Measure G, if it is law at all, is bad law because it is internally inconsistent and its major provisions are of dubious legality. Most significantly, it is in direct conflict with state law and defense attorneys are skillful at emphasizing conflicts in the law in order to create doubt on the part of jurors.
As a prosecutor, Measure B will make my job easier by providing consistency in the law. I also believe the state limits protect the rights of medical patients and therefore no legitimate medical patient will suffer if Measure B passes. That is why I support Measure B.
I will accept the passage of Measure B as a mandate from the public to focus marijuana enforcement and prosecution activities on the large commercial growers and those that are endangering public safety and harming the environment. I will also challenge the public to support adequate funding for enforcement and prosecution so that Sheriff Allman and I can carry out the mandate of the public to go after the commercial growers that are harming our county and our environment."
Meredith J. Lintott, April 30, 2008
The anti bees have yet to refute a single point that Meredith Lintott makes in her endorsement statement.

“Pot is a gift from God”

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May 24, 2008
 
YES on B wrote:
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The anti bees have yet to refute a single point that Meredith Lintott makes in her endorsement statement.
Gee, are you sure? With the way you guys paste the same text over and over, it's getting hard to find my own responses, let alone other folks'.

But let's see. I was able to cut this down to 4K:
Measure G was widely considered to be an advisory measure when it passed,
I called and spoke to the DA at the time I moved here, Norm Vroman. He was quite specific in his understanding of the law, and it didn't agree with how Lintott interpreted it. He didn't view it as 'advisory'. At least, that's what he told me.
[As a candidate for District Attorney I pledged to protect the rights of medical marijuana patients and caregivers. I/QUOTE]

Maybe she did. I find it difficult to reconcile that pledge with two items which were brought up recently, namely the alteration in the number of cards used in a recent trial without the knowledge of the defendant (so he claims), but moreover, what seems to be an outright violation of Measure G all along.

I noted (since I've been having to re-read these things), that Measure G instructs the DA and Sheriff to manicure all medical marijuana brought into evidence, and try on only the flowers.

I'm not seeing any indication that ANYONE has followed this instruction, yet they all supposedly swore oaths to do so.

Given the circumstances, there might even be civil rights litigation (seems legit to me, at least). If it was decided and set precedent, the county could end up in Half Moon Bay's problem (broke from lawsuits).

It's not my job to read and interpret the law, it's hers, and the county's welfare rests on her ability to do it. I don't think she's up to that task, personally.

[QUOTE]As District Attorney, it is obvious to me that Measure G has become a barrier that greatly complicates the prosecution of solid cases, even where there is overwhelming evidence of commercial cultivation, possession, transportation and sales. The defense attorneys never fail to cite Measure G as a defense for those charged with violating the laws against commercial marijuana. This is true even for the largest growing operations.
Well, to me, it means that she's lousy at manicuring a case to send it through clean, get a decent decision, and use it to throw out the endless chatter.

I think we are all agreed that when someone without cards has more than twenty-five plants that Measure G isn't actually a defense, since it's over the priority limit, and it IS actually illegal to grow pot in California if it's not medical.

The murky part comes from the medical cards. We don't know if G can limit a card grow to twenty-five plants (they say it does, I suspect it might not). If she had been doing her job proficiently, we would likely already have that test case.

The fact that she has trouble reading what seems to be a pretty simple law stems, IMHO, from the intentional ignorance that she thinks she can get away with.

But it works on the Measure B people fine, so I have to give her credit for that.
Measure G, if it is law at all, is bad law because it is internally inconsistent and its major provisions are of dubious legality. Most significantly, it is in direct conflict with state law and defense attorneys are skillful at emphasizing conflicts in the law in order to create doubt on the part of jurors.
Well, the other side keeps saying this, but really, the only 'inconsistency' that they've pointed to has been that on the top level, the wording says only 'priority' where in the detail points it specifies what number should be the limit at which 'priority' occurs.

The only time it should really be coming into conflict with state law is when prosecuting somebody covered by Measure G, but that shouldn't happen, should it?

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May 24, 2008
 
writch wrote:
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Gee, are you sure? With the way you guys paste the same text over and over, it's getting hard to find my own responses, let alone other folks'.
But let's see. I was able to cut this down to 4K:
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I called and spoke to the DA at the time I moved here, Norm Vroman. He was quite specific in his understanding of the law, and it didn't agree with how Lintott interpreted it. He didn't view it as 'advisory'. At least, that's what he told me.
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Well, to me, it means that she's lousy at manicuring a case to send it through clean, get a decent decision, and use it to throw out the endless chatter.
I think we are all agreed that when someone without cards has more than twenty-five plants that Measure G isn't actually a defense, since it's over the priority limit, and it IS actually illegal to grow pot in California if it's not medical.
The murky part comes from the medical cards. We don't know if G can limit a card grow to twenty-five plants (they say it does, I suspect it might not). If she had been doing her job proficiently, we would likely already have that test case.
The fact that she has trouble reading what seems to be a pretty simple law stems, IMHO, from the intentional ignorance that she thinks she can get away with.
But it works on the Measure B people fine, so I have to give her credit for that.
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Well, the other side keeps saying this, but really, the only 'inconsistency' that they've pointed to has been that on the top level, the wording says only 'priority' where in the detail points it specifies what number should be the limit at which 'priority' occurs.
The only time it should really be coming into conflict with state law is when prosecuting somebody covered by Measure G, but that shouldn't happen, should it?
where in measure G does it discuss patients?
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May 24, 2008
 
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But he still must prove that the amount possessed was for his "personal medical use." So the scam continues. Vote Yes on B to Repeal bogus Measure G.
The burden is and always has been on the prosecution.
He must not prove anything. Innocent until guilty....remember
John Thomas
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#239
May 25, 2008
 
Innocent until proven guilty is an engangered concept. Widespread drug testing has begun the shift to assuming guilt until proven innocent. Forcing victims to self-incriminate is another way this fascist invasion of privacy trashes our rights. Add to that the fact the least harmful drug - marijuana - is the one most detected - usually days after any intoxication took place - and you understand why Canada declared drug testing a human rights violation.

So should we.
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#240
May 25, 2008
 
i think the DA will have a harder job defending against lawsuits if she even trys to put the now dead B up for vote
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