SCSU students don empty holsters to protest campus gun bans

Kevin wrote:

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Addressing your first issue, I'd like to direct you to the cardinal rule of firearm safety. Know your target and what is beyond it.
Addressing your second. Police don't just pop out of their vehicle and start blasting off rounds. I believe their first command would be to drop the weapon, which if you're smart you'll do. Although if you're really smart, you'll have holstered your weapon before the police arrive....not to cover up the fact that you drew it, but so there is no misunderstanding.

Although I agree with the 4th amendment, I do have an issue with your police ideas.

Cops are first and foremost humans, if I was called to a school shooting, entered the school with guns at ready, and began quick search for the shooter/ shooters, I cannot guarantee that you will not get dropped if you are carrying a gun in that school.

Even as an officer, if I was at the school off duty and returned fire with the bad guy, I would not want to have that gun out when the cops arrived. I train for what I would do in that situation and I hope I would never shoot the 'good guy' with the gun....but, I will never know how it will play out until it happens.

Also, I may be wrong, but from memory and google searches I can come up with only one incedent where a CCW holder was involved in a shooting in MN.

Also, you are not allowed to carry when drinking any amount. The CCW holders I know, NEVER bring their weapon when they are drinking. Its not worth the risk. Every CCW holder Ive ever met, although fanatical, are very responsible about their guns and how they carry.

That being said, I would like to see a few more news stories about muggers getting taken out by CCW holders. Although it may not be a deturent to others, that guy wont mug somebody again!!!

Its good to see that MN colleges are FINALY producing some good republicans.....Good buy liberals, you get smaller and smaller every year!

Lee wrote:

4) I still own two rifles and a shotgun. I don't advocate the abolishment of private gun ownership.
5) Handguns are for killing people-- they ain't no good for nuttin' else. I do advocate tight gun registration of handguns. Responsible citizens would agree-- criminals would not. Which are YOU?

I'm glad to hear #4. As far as #5, tell that to the folks(both guys and girls, who shoot IDPA, IPSCA and others. Myself, I'm going to shoot steel targets with a bunch of friends this weekend. To the best of my knowledge, other than military, none of us has used our handguns to shoot another person. And, I'm sorry to hear you had a bad experience, but glad you're ok.

SgtSmith wrote:

Yes I have been to keggers there, at houses off-campus, where there is no ban to conceal and carry (keggers are also not allowed on campus), and I have never seen anyone brandishing a handgun. Lots of fist fights though ... perhaps we should ban hands, which can easily be modified into fists.

You've made my point! Fights break out. Wouldn't you rather get slugged than shot? How moronic can we be?

Unbelievable:
The one thing that seems to be consistent about the "Repugnantkins" on this thread is their inability to SPELL. It magnifies your diminished learning capacity and lack of education, though it is consistent with your inability to reason. Commmon sense in the Republican party is indeed not common. It will be a relief (to the whole world) to have the adults back in charge in the next election.

Until then, "Good Buy" (sic)

SSgt SCSU Alum wrote:

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Best. Post. Ever.

...or the fearsome media-created "fully automatic fist with cop-killer fingernails."

well LEE, twice now youve made posts that make ZERO sense at all. I dont know if that represents your ignorance level bue hmmmm.

I cant stand when somebodys only argument on a topic is, "you spelled a word wrong." Becouse nobody cares!!!

As far as republicans loosing, I seem to remember these same comments four years ago, and look what happened. All I have to say to that is...well see, wont we.

ps. I spell bad, but I shoot good, whats more important in the middle of the night?

Lee wrote:

For the record:
1). I am a SCSU alum.
2) I USED TO BE a hunter until I had MY close call similar to the "experienced and well-trained" turkey hunter that just blew away his son last week. Apparently this "responsible citizen" mistook his son for an eight year old terrorist on a murderous rampage and wasted him. "Good shootin' Tex...."
3) MOST hunters CLAIM to be SPORTSMEN but I've witnessed scores of drunken clowns who take off the suit and tie one or two weekends a year and wander around the woods popping off at anything that moves. Having been on the receiving end of a near-miss, I consider myself an EXPERT.
4) I still own two rifles and a shotgun. I don't advocate the abolishment of private gun ownership.
5) Handguns are for killing people-- they ain't no good for nuttin' else. I do advocate tight gun registration of handguns. Responsible citizens would agree-- criminals would not. Which are YOU?
6) And finally, NO I would not trust MYSELF with a handgun. I have such a nasty disposition it is entirely likely that I shoot a man "just for snorin'".
What makes you believe that all manner of psychos wandering around in public with sidearms displayed would foster a safe and sane enviroment? If I have to "strap-on", be afraid-- very afraid.

Finally, somebody that mkes sense. As for Sgt. I sure am glad that guns are not allowed on campus, guns would replace the fists you saw in all those fights

PVC wrote:

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Finally, somebody that mkes sense. As for Sgt. I sure am glad that guns are not allowed on campus, guns would replace the fists you saw in all those fights

first of all, you may have forgotten, but the vast majority of college kids are over 18 which makes them adults.

Second, how do you know they don't have guns?

third, as a logical thinking human, you can get into a fist fight without pulling out your gun, ask any cop, they fight people all the time without shooting them.

If people are not pulling guns out and showing them too you, how do you know if they have one or not. If you know a secret, you should tell the cops so they can learn it!

I love sitting next to somebody in church, or standing next to somebody at the grocery store, and they don't know that I'm carrying.

Better look closer at the person sitting next to you right now...you never know?

Got Brains wrote:

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You've made my point! Fights break out. Wouldn't you rather get slugged than shot? How moronic can we be?

I said that guns are not being waved around where it's legal to carry them and you think that proves your point that they should be banned everywhere??? I have to take that as evidence that the brains you got are in a jar on the shelf in the garage. As to how moronic we can be - apparently you find new levels all the time.

George Jones wrote:

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Have you ever heard of inner city gangs? That is where those statistics come from, not kids going to college. Use a little common sense for gods sake.

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The military trains 17 year olds, the under 20 crowd makes most of our casuties in Iraq and in Vietnam. Time for them to be trusted here too.

Permits would still be required.

Pauline wrote:

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The military trains 17 year olds, the under 20 crowd makes most of our casuties in Iraq and in Vietnam. Time for them to be trusted here too.
Permits would still be required.

My 20 year old daughter came home from Iraq in the fall of 2005. It was fall and time to gather some meat for the freezer.

She decided she wanted to participate in the Hunt.

We went to our local Bait Shop to pay our supplemental taxes...er, buy licenses. The clerk asked for our "Minnesota Citizenship Verification Cards"....er driver licenses. The clerk noticed that my daughter was 20 years old. The clerk asked for my daughters "Minneeeesota Approved" "Gun Safety Certificate".

She didnt have one!

Yup 16 months in country,(Iraq) carried an M4 assault rifle, and she could not carry a Shotgun in the woods of the Nanny State Minneeeeesota because she did not have a certificate the State issues to 12 year olds when they complete the mandated gun safety course.

I am thankful though that the Nanny state of Minneeeeesota keeps dangerous weapons out of the hands of Law Abiding soldiers.

My daughter was beaming with pride too, when she realized the sacrifices she made were to protect us from her. Much like the protection you Leftists provide for all of us from ourselves.....Thanks Mom!!!

Consistent:
Your story is a complete fabrication and a disservice to active duty soldiers on leave and veterans. Active duty soldiers on leave are not only excused from the normal regulations and requirements to hunt in Minnesota, their licenses are FREE.

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/licenses/military/...

If, however your daughter was discharged after returning from Iraq, she could have requested an Apprentice Hunter Validation certificate and hunted with any licensed hunter in your party.

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/safety/apprentice/...

Selected text from the MN DNR site:

Firearms Safety Training
A person who is on active duty and has successfully completed basic training in the US armed forces, reserve component, or National Guard may obtain a hunting license or approval authorizing hunting regardless of whether the person is issued a firearms safety certificate.(They must be on active duty, home on leave with leave papers, they then qualify only for that time frame. Once discharged or no longer on active duty, they must complete the firearms safety training course or online adult course the same as all others born after Dec 31, 1979.)

A person who has successfully completed basic training in the US Armed Forces is exempt from the range and field day exercise portion of firearms safety training. They must complete the hunter education firearms safety training classroom, home study or online adult course the same as all others born after December 31, 1979, and provide proof of basic training, i.e. Discharge papers (DD214), or current military identification to the instructor conducting the test. This safety training certification will be valid throughout the US.

Apprentice hunter validation
What is it? In other states this is often called a Hunter Education Deferral Program. Essentially an Apprentice Hunter Validation enables an individual who is normally required to have a Firearms Safety (FAS) Certificate, but does not have one, to try hunting for a year under the supervision of a licensed adult hunter.

When is a Firearms Safety Certificate or Apprentice Hunter Validation required? Anyone born after 1979 is required to have a FAS Certificate to hunt with a firearm, except youth age 12 and under may hunt small game (11 and under for turkeys) without a Firearms Safety Certificate/ Apprentice Hunter Validation as long as a parent or guardian accompanies them.

Who is eligible to receive one? Residents of Minnesota.

Finally, Consistent,
If it's so horrible for you here in Minnesota, please move your lyin' arse outta here!

Nothing safer than a bunch of testosterone-filled, sexually frustrated jarheads getting drunk frequently and carrying loaded firearms.

Lee wrote:

If it's so horrible for you here in Minnesota, please move your lyin' arse outta here!

They'll never move. Minnesota's too nice and they know it. Plus then they couldn't whine incessantly in hopes that someone will pay attention to their rantings.

Lee wrote:

Consistent:
Your story is a complete fabrication and a disservice to active duty soldiers on leave and veterans. Active duty soldiers on leave are not only excused from the normal regulations and requirements to hunt in Minnesota, their licenses are FREE.
If, however your daughter was discharged after returning from Iraq, she could have requested an Apprentice Hunter Validation certificate and hunted with any licensed hunter in your party.

Firearms Safety Training
A person who is on active duty and has successfully completed basic training in the US armed forces, reserve component, or National Guard may obtain a hunting license or approval authorizing hunting regardless of whether the person is issued a firearms safety certificate.(They must be on active duty, home on leave with leave papers, they then qualify only for that time frame. Once discharged or no longer on active duty, they must complete the firearms safety training course or online adult course the same as all others born after Dec 31, 1979.)
A person who has successfully completed basic training in the US Armed Forces is exempt from the range and field day exercise portion of firearms safety training. They must complete the hunter education firearms safety training classroom, home study or online adult course the same as all others born after December 31, 1979, and provide proof of basic training, i.e. Discharge papers (DD214), or current military identification to the instructor conducting the test. This safety training certification will be valid throughout the US.
When is a Firearms Safety Certificate or Apprentice Hunter Validation required? Anyone born after 1979 is required to have a FAS Certificate to hunt with a firearm, except youth age 12 and under may hunt small game (11 and under for turkeys) without a Firearms Safety Certificate/ Apprentice Hunter Validation as long as a parent or guardian accompanies them.
Who is eligible to receive one? Residents of Minnesota.
Finally, Consistent,
If it's so horrible for you here in Minnesota, please move your lyin' arse outta here!

I derive no satisfaction by creating fictional stories to make a point that would so easily be refuted.
The incedent I related is EXACTLY what we experienced.
I did not pursue the issue, we simply went with the ELS Agents' direction.
If there was a way to remedy the affront, the effort required to redress the insult was greater than we were willing to take on.
As a citizen in the Nanny State of Minneeeeesota, it was not beyond the pale to accept that the rules were exactly as stated by the ELS agent.
Perhaps it says something about me and my unwillingness to fight against this injustice. I just wanted to hunt with my daughter.
....."If it's so horrible for you here in Minnesota, please move your lyin' arse outta here!"......
I choose to give you a pass on your attack on my character, and soon my arse will be outta here.
By the way.....we have personal respect and are therefore not Lawyers. We are simple Meat Gatherers.
You may think the "simple" rules you show in your attack are "easy" to follow.
But the effort required to Hunt should not include 4 forms of ID, a DD214, a verification of anal exertion, Grandmas first name, and my favorite fruit flavor.
Her Military ID is all that she should have needed.....PERIOD.....No F-ed up rules written by Lawyer Politicians in order to exercize her right, especially given her personal sacrifices as a Soldier.
****.....

Unbelievable wrote:

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I love sitting next to somebody in church, or standing next to somebody at the grocery store, and they don't know that I'm carrying.

Unbelievable, You are one sick puppy. Your pastor must be very proud.

Master of Clowny wrote:

Nothing safer than a bunch of testosterone-filled, sexually frustrated jarheads getting drunk frequently and carrying loaded firearms.

***Police Chief Shoots Self at Gun Training Session***

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354149,00...

RIVERDALE, Utah — The police chief in Riverdale accidentally shot himself in an ankle while demonstrating how to dislodge a jammed handgun.

Chief Dave Hansen was taken to McKay-Dee Hospital in Ogden for surgery.

The 54-year-old chief accidentally fired a gun during a training exercise inside a conference room at Riverdale police headquarters.

Consistent wrote:

In my youth I tried an experiment.
I stood 5 feet from my Shotgun and quietly said "Shoot"...nothing happened.
I moved within 2 feet and loudly screamed "Shoot"...nothing happened.
As hard as I tried I could not get that inanimate object to act on my will.
Then it dawned on me. I was being lied to by people who are confused or have an agenda.
Guns dont kill people, people kill people....(sometimes with guns).
But then I heard a news story about a youth that killed someone with a gun. The reporter reported that Jr learned to shoot from his Grandpa.
I thought gee what does that have to do with the youths choice to kill using a gun.
I found no answer, except that maybe the reporter was confused, or had an agenda.
Then I heard a story about a youth that killed someone with a Knife.
I scoured the report that the reporter wrote and I could find no mention of who taught Jr to use a knife.
Then it dawned on me that it was probably Mom or Grandma that taught her how to use a Knife.
I guess it was Mom or Grandmas fault that Jr killed...they taught her how to use a knife!
Or maybe I realized, if there is no failed human acting upon any inanimate object, the object will remain static and inert.
What a Revolutionary concept!!
A car, a knife, a rope, a rock, a club, a gun....Is SAFE, unless a Human intends ill to another with the inamimate object.
Now I am not afraid anymore ...of knives or ropes or even cars.
It is not true that cars have killed Millions of human beings....it is people in the cars...Liberating concepts!!

Outstanding!
But 'way too logical and self-evident.LOL!)
S/F!

Master of Clowny wrote:

Nothing safer than a bunch of testosterone-filled, sexually frustrated jarheads getting drunk frequently and carrying loaded firearms.

How many shootings Marine vs Marine or citizen have there been?

Consistent wrote:

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I derive no satisfaction by creating fictional stories to make a point that would so easily be refuted.
The incedent I related is EXACTLY what we experienced.
I did not pursue the issue, we simply went with the ELS Agents' direction.
If there was a way to remedy the affront, the effort required to redress the insult was greater than we were willing to take on.
As a citizen in the Nanny State of Minneeeeesota, it was not beyond the pale to accept that the rules were exactly as stated by the ELS agent.
Perhaps it says something about me and my unwillingness to fight against this injustice. I just wanted to hunt with my daughter.
....."If it's so horrible for you here in Minnesota, please move your lyin' arse outta here!"......
I choose to give you a pass on your attack on my character, and soon my arse will be outta here.
By the way.....we have personal respect and are therefore not Lawyers. We are simple Meat Gatherers.
You may think the "simple" rules you show in your attack are "easy" to follow.
But the effort required to Hunt should not include 4 forms of ID, a DD214, a verification of anal exertion, Grandmas first name, and my favorite fruit flavor.
Her Military ID is all that she should have needed.....PERIOD.....No F-ed up rules written by Lawyer Politicians in order to exercize her right, especially given her personal sacrifices as a Soldier.
****.....

The Bush admin is trying to get a law past that will ban any person who has PTSD or any visit to a tharapist for any issue, anger alone would ban your use or ability to buy, carry or use any any firearm.