Dad gets 30 days in hunting death

If this "Choice" had happened 8 years ealier it probably would even have been paid for with our tax dollars.

This man got away with murder. He should go to prison the rest of his life. First drunk, second - drugs in his system, third - no hunting license. This guy thinks no rules apply to him; and now his little boy is dead. He should of been charged with manslaughter. Thirty days in jail. I guarantee you, that he will be doing this again.

From the article:

"Sibley County District Judge Richard Perkins also sentenced Anthony M. Klaseus to 10 years' probation and prohibited him from owning or using a firearm during that time".

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What on earth makes the judge believe that this guy will abide by these sanctions? He knowingly and willingly tresspassing, hunted without a license and hunted while using drugs and alcohol. He does not sound like the most law-abiding and trustworthy guy.

speedy wrote:

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Interesting coming from St Paul. I once lived in St Paul, not long enough ago for me. I had people wandering through my yard all the time tresspassing, likely armed, dealing drugs and such. I see the violence in St Paul in the news daily, and also the catch and release of these TRULY VIOLENT ruthless, unrepentant offenders back to the streets. This happens EVERYDAY where you live.
This person is nothing like the people your courts release to the streets daily. I do NOT know Klaseus, even though I know many people in our area.
What you metro simpletons never will realize is that people like us live here to be away from people like you. This guy is not the man who pistol whipped the 80 year old woman, nor is he the Evans family thug that beat a man at Valley Fair protecting his daughter, nor is he any of the dirtbags I read about everyday on these forums.
He made a horrible mistake, he will live with every breath he takes from here forward.
If being stupid is criminal all the liberals in Minnesota would be in jail already,,, oh wait, maybe some are already and that's why they release drug dealers and rapists after a few months...
You need to learn to know the difference between a criminal act with malice, and a horrible mistake.
ok, rant over,,,,, next...

People like these people - move to the country; just to make there own rules. They don't want to follow the laws or the rules of hunting. The guy should go to prison. This was not a horrible mistake. It would have been a mistake had he not had alcohol or drugs in his system.

speedy wrote:

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Interesting coming from St Paul. I once lived in St Paul, not long enough ago for me. I had people wandering through my yard all the time tresspassing, likely armed, dealing drugs and such. I see the violence in St Paul in the news daily, and also the catch and release of these TRULY VIOLENT ruthless, unrepentant offenders back to the streets. This happens EVERYDAY where you live.
This person is nothing like the people your courts release to the streets daily. I do NOT know Klaseus, even though I know many people in our area.
What you metro simpletons never will realize is that people like us live here to be away from people like you. This guy is not the man who pistol whipped the 80 year old woman, nor is he the Evans family thug that beat a man at Valley Fair protecting his daughter, nor is he any of the dirtbags I read about everyday on these forums.
He made a horrible mistake, he will live with every breath he takes from here forward.
If being stupid is criminal all the liberals in Minnesota would be in jail already,,, oh wait, maybe some are already and that's why they release drug dealers and rapists after a few months...
You need to learn to know the difference between a criminal act with malice, and a horrible mistake.
ok, rant over,,,,, next...

Chaz might not live in St Paul. His ISP provider is located there. My provider is in St Paul too. I live in Hurley, WI. Get a clue.

Eight Years Earlier wrote:

If this "Choice" had happened 8 years ealier it probably would even have been paid for with our tax dollars.

Still not even in the same universe of argument. But, nice try.

Sarah D wrote:

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He didn't make a mistake. He made a CHOICE. A bad one.

He didnt choose to shoot and kill his son. It was a mistake.

Lewis Libby wrote:

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Yeah, 30 days was way to much.

No 30 days was NOT way too much, not at all what I meant. He should have gotten a LOT more. Just saying that the driver who killed my son got NOTHING and should have gotten SOMETHING.

speedy wrote:

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Interesting coming from St Paul. I once lived in St Paul, not long enough ago for me. I had people wandering through my yard all the time tresspassing, likely armed, dealing drugs and such. I see the violence in St Paul in the news daily, and also the catch and release of these TRULY VIOLENT ruthless, unrepentant offenders back to the streets. This happens EVERYDAY where you live.
This person is nothing like the people your courts release to the streets daily. I do NOT know Klaseus, even though I know many people in our area.
What you metro simpletons never will realize is that people like us live here to be away from people like you. This guy is not the man who pistol whipped the 80 year old woman, nor is he the Evans family thug that beat a man at Valley Fair protecting his daughter, nor is he any of the dirtbags I read about everyday on these forums.
He made a horrible mistake, he will live with every breath he takes from here forward.
If being stupid is criminal all the liberals in Minnesota would be in jail already,,, oh wait, maybe some are already and that's why they release drug dealers and rapists after a few months...
You need to learn to know the difference between a criminal act with malice, and a horrible mistake.
ok, rant over,,,,, next...

The above response is based on a catch and release philosophy and a lack of logic.
Here is why.

In Minnesota there are five different degrees of Murder. Klauses is in one are the other in a different. They both should be in Jail the second case much longer (like life) the first in the 3-5 year range.

Speedy's arguement justifies 30 days and probation for someone who commits a felony (like breaking into your house)and accidentally kills your family member. Or better yet since most people who kill, only ever kill one person should get 30 days.

Justice is not about revenge, it is getting the law to both fit the crime and be doled out fairly.

The Minnesota manslaughter laws and sentencing guidelines speak directly to this situation (killing a person by mistaking them for an animal). The laws call for no more than 10 years and the guidelines are 2-5 years with no other circumstances, of which this white trash yahoo had many (trespass, drugs, hunting without a license, and past drug/alcohol convictions).
No rant just facts above. Here is my rant

People like speedy give hunters and Minnesota's a bad name. They justify drinking/hunting and drug abuse and are proud of others who do the same. They condemn things in city and put up excuses for all the issues in there own communities. These people have a name it called hypocrite.

Land of the Free wrote:

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He didnt choose to shoot and kill his son. It was a mistake.

Given your retort then Alainiss N. Morales should be set free from her murder convictions. It was a mistake she made, it was not intentional. According to Minnesota her law, her crime is considered a lessor offense.

Land of the Free wrote:

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He didnt choose to shoot and kill his son. It was a mistake.

He chose to get drunk. He chose to get high. He chose to go hunting while drunk and high. He chose to take his son with him knowing that he would be firing a gun while drunk and high.

He was a disaster waiting to happen. His son paid the price.

Sarah D wrote:

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He chose to get drunk. He chose to get high. He chose to go hunting while drunk and high. He chose to take his son with him knowing that he would be firing a gun while drunk and high.
He was a disaster waiting to happen. His son paid the price.

Dad needs to suffer for his choices.

Not for me, not for you, not even for the son he killed.....Dad needs to suffer for Dad!

Dad is redeemable, but it will take a long time.

Dad can be "Joe Anybody USA", that makes bad choices. Given enough time, and enough suffering, combined with an intense soul searching assisted by therapy, and Dad can not only find forgiveness for himself, but can become 10 times the Human Being he was before he killed his son.

Consistent wrote:

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Dad needs to suffer for his choices.
Not for me, not for you, not even for the son he killed.....Dad needs to suffer for Dad!
Dad is redeemable, but it will take a long time.
Dad can be "Joe Anybody USA", that makes bad choices. Given enough time, and enough suffering, combined with an intense soul searching assisted by therapy, and Dad can not only find forgiveness for himself, but can become 10 times the Human Being he was before he killed his son.

I hope he does become a better person. But in the meantime he has to take the consequences of his actions.

Hopefully this terrible tragedy will cause him to look deep within himself and do what is necessary to turn his life around.

The old saying Laws are made to be broken. The Judge should be ousted. Where is the Law? Rest in peace lil man I hope you haunt your Father for the rest of his days.....

He choose all those thing but he didnt choose to kill his son, he didnt look at his son and shoot him. That part was an accident. Yes he made choices to get high and drink. I guess you have never got high or drank, you are probably to perfect for that. You make perfect choices all the time.

Sarah D wrote:

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He chose to get drunk. He chose to get high. He chose to go hunting while drunk and high. He chose to take his son with him knowing that he would be firing a gun while drunk and high.
He was a disaster waiting to happen. His son paid the price.

Land of the Free wrote:

He choose all those thing but he didnt choose to kill his son, he didnt look at his son and shoot him. That part was an accident. Yes he made choices to get high and drink. I guess you have never got high or drank, you are probably to perfect for that. You make perfect choices all the time.
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The same could be said for the drunk driver who kills with his/her vehicle.("He chose to drink, he chose to drive, but it was an accident that he killed the other driver, Your Honor!")

It is truly tragic on so many levels what this family is going through. They are all in my prayers. I think that when we begin to weigh the sorry factor into sentencing we also begin to excuse the poor choices that led to the death of a child who had no part in the decision making.

Zen

Land of the Free wrote:

He choose all those thing but he didnt choose to kill his son, he didnt look at his son and shoot him. That part was an accident. Yes he made choices to get high and drink. I guess you have never got high or drank, you are probably to perfect for that. You make perfect choices all the time.
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Perfect choices? It's your contention that a person has to be PERFECT in order to chose not to go hunting while drunk and high?

Gee I thought it only took INTELLIGENCE. Guess I was wrong.

speedy wrote:

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Interesting coming from St Paul. I once lived in St Paul, not long enough ago for me. I had people wandering through my yard all the time tresspassing, likely armed, dealing drugs and such. I see the violence in St Paul in the news daily, and also the catch and release of these TRULY VIOLENT ruthless, unrepentant offenders back to the streets. This happens EVERYDAY where you live.
This person is nothing like the people your courts release to the streets daily. I do NOT know Klaseus, even though I know many people in our area.
What you metro simpletons never will realize is that people like us live here to be away from people like you. This guy is not the man who pistol whipped the 80 year old woman, nor is he the Evans family thug that beat a man at Valley Fair protecting his daughter, nor is he any of the dirtbags I read about everyday on these forums.
He made a horrible mistake, he will live with every breath he takes from here forward.
If being stupid is criminal all the liberals in Minnesota would be in jail already,,, oh wait, maybe some are already and that's why they release drug dealers and rapists after a few months...
You need to learn to know the difference between a criminal act with malice, and a horrible mistake.
ok, rant over,,,,, next...

i will remind you once again speedy..you didnt get your nickname because of how fast yuor brain works..
i hope you havent reproduced

Sarah D wrote:

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Perfect choices? It's your contention that a person has to be PERFECT in order to chose not to go hunting while drunk and high?
Gee I thought it only took INTELLIGENCE. Guess I was wrong.

You are wrong, but only by degree. It isn't Intelligence that is needed so much as a little
Common Sense. You know, maybe I shouldn't go hunting after tipping a few or toking. Maybe I shouldn't take my kid along when I am a little fuzzy. Maybe the turkey can wait.

You know, a little bit of thought about what might possibly go wrong here. No crystal ball -- just consider the unpleasant possibilities. The virtue of Prudence is old-fashioned, but still valuable.

bugs wrote:

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i will remind you once again speedy..you didnt get your nickname because of how fast yuor brain works..
i hope you havent reproduced

I have watched this thread with interest since my post. I respect those who disagreed with my opinion, because, like me, they have thiers.
You, on the other hand, are just an insulting ****. It so happens my name came from my auto racing career, and I have a large family quite happy and healthy and well adjusted.
Oh, just a side note to you personally, proof read your replies. Even in the 3rd grade my kids knew enough to capitalize thier I's, and they also knew how to spell "your".
I am sure a private tutor could assist you with sentence structure and spelling if you can stop spewing filth long enough to learn.
Have a wonderful night!