A reversal for coal plant

So many of you have been lied to for so long that you can't even see the truth in front of your own eyes. Wind can only produce when it blows. Solar can only produce when it shines. Up here is the great north there isn't enough of either to produce a reliable source of power.

I live less than a mile from a coal plant. I have never seen or smelled the so-called fumes or pollution. In fact that coal plant had a very high polluting neighbor, the former ethanol plant in St. Paul. The ethanol plant was so polluting and offensive smelling that the residents forced it to close. The coal plant on the river was just fine, but was force to be replace by a natural gas plant due to politics and environm"mental" wackos.

We need to return to the realm of reality and end this nightmare of Liberalism and Environ"mental"ism.

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Some people don't understand networks and storage. Usually old people, or the very dumb.

JimIGH wrote:

The same fools that advocate more ethanol production are fighting to keep new refineries from being built and oil wells drilled.

Republicans are against new refineries and new oil wells? Actually, you're correct, yet unintentionally so.

Mike in Mpls wrote:

Cutting your energy by 60% hasn't generated even one additional megawatt. Unless we expect the population and our communities to shrink and not grow, we need more capacity, not just less usage.

Spoken like a true addict!

I have saved many MW's in this century. Can you make calculations or just come out to kill the messenger?

its about control-nothing to do with global warming

Wilgeno wrote:

Wind can only produce when it blows. Solar can only produce when it shines.

There are ways to store the power for use on those days. Or nuclear plants can be used for reserve capacity.

dems making hard stand-no oil,no coal, no nuclear plants.

Phil wrote:

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There are ways to store the power for use on those days. Or nuclear plants can be used for reserve capacity.

catfish h wrote:

dems making hard stand-no oil,no coal, no nuclear plants.
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Could you re-post that in English?

See the website for the American Wind Energy ASsn: www.awea.org . The Midwest is very windy -- now's the time to invest in wind, NOT coal.
Coal plants emit 40% of all CO2, 66% of acid rain (sulfur dioxide) and 33% of mercury. PLUS there's coal combustion waste -- the 2nd largest waste stream in the U.S.(with coal MINING wastes the LARGEST waste stream), groundwater contamination, gob piles, mining disasters, mountain top removal.
Haven't we had enough of this toxic pollution? Why are we doing this to ourselves?
ONE WORD: politics. Industry gives lots and lots and lots of cash to politicians, and there are too few with the courage to stand up to Fossil Fuels.
How sad. We are leaving our children a legacy of pollution, ravaged lands and cancer.
RENEWABLE ENERGY NOW! Wind costs 3-7 cents/kWh!

another fantasy land liberal

Tom Karas wrote:

Great news from Minnesota, but reading these posts has me a bit concerned. Here in Michigan we know that a new coal plant will be more expsensive than wind power. For the Wolverine plant proposal we have reported a near tripling of electric costs and the utility was mute. Coal is not cheap anymore folks, start by switching off Fox News and doing some real homework. Good Luck in slamming the door on Big Stone II

catfish h wrote:

another fantasy land liberal
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Another pointless blivet of a post. No facts raised, no issues debated, no intelligence demonstrated at all. Is this really the best you could do??

My distinguished colleagues and I were awarded a $1,999,833.21 grant from General electric research and development lab in 1988 to study (in rudmentary forms) the feasability of generating electricity through the burning of ordinary BBQ quality charcoal. We gathered a team of 20 student assistants and chartered a luxury 727 jet to whisk us to the Yukon with 5 tons of ordinary "match lite" charcoal, 60 gallons of Zippo lighter fluid and enough tents and utensils for a one year "camping trip" to explore the feasabilty of running a 21 mega watt generator with campfire ashes and charcoal. Having no landing strip , we were ,of course obligated to parachute from the rear stairwell of the 727 , and this proved quite "challenging" . Needless to say our gear, provisions and most of our assistants were somehow lost and apparently scattered about the Brooks range in Northern Alaska. As for myself, I landed in a raging Salmon stream full of Yukon Grizzlie bears and was subsequently mauled severely, yet having the good foresight to keep the grant money at hand, was able to make my way through the bush and open a brothel in Nome.

Coal price hikes boost electric rates, more increases coming http://www.kxmc.com/t/coal/233122.asp Doubters need to do their own research. The coal price hike mentioned in the news does not even include eventual regulatory cost of CO2 or the billions that would be required to update mining and transportation infrastructure. The European Climate Exchange posts Dec 08 price at 23.56 EUR = 36.4065 USD per ton. Time to make the transition now to protect our water, our health, our future.

Brothel in Nome stock 24.56 EUR

Luxury Bush equipped 727 32.11 EUR

Parachuting with a million dollars in cash grant money Priceless.

Its clearly all politics between the DFL, the environmentalists nutties and Big Unions on this global warming garbage.

If the legal battles would stop by the liberals, domestic coal and oil would be at a very economical price for american families.


The legal battles is causing all these prices to skyrocket. It also unfortunately, something they don't teach you on the college campus.

Al Franken wrote:

Its clearly all politics between the DFL, the environmentalists nutties and Big Unions on this global warming garbage.
If the legal battles would stop by the liberals, domestic coal and oil would be at a very economical price for american families.
The legal battles is causing all these prices to skyrocket. It also unfortunately, something they don't teach you on the college campus.

Got any facts at all to back up any of those claims?

Phil wrote:

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Got any facts at all to back up any of those claims?

You funny.

Jon J wrote:

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You funny.

No, me serious.

Phil wrote:

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No, me serious.

When have you ever seen a clown like that substantiate a claim?

Well folks, this appears to boil down to a few positions that are either based on science and peer review evidence, or positions that seem to come from an emotional position of 'us against them'. It takes real courage to question your own position. Someone please post a peer review article that coincides with the Limbaugh belief mechanism that the environmentalist whackos are behind all the price increases and that global climate change is just a conspiracy of 95% of the scientific community to take over the world.

just one, peer reviewed.
otherwise invest some personal energy by reading the article you can find below. Everyone have a great week.

google Bill McKibben, the world at 350