Wisconsin Democrats oust delegate over McCain support

a blanco wrote:

Well here we go again! Is there anything democratic left on the Democratic party besides its name? It would be interesting to find out who is going to replace Debra? Someone pre approved by Obama and the DNC? Another reason why I no longer consider myself a democrat!

Totally absurd. The point of the nomination process is to nominate the Democratic candidate. We're not holding a convention so that a select few can get a jump start on the General Election! Think about that! Why should this person be given such a priviledged opportunity? If you're looking for a party that believes that it is perfectly fine to vote for the candidate of a different party, you will be searching until the day you die.

It is beyond me that anyone who claims to support Hillary could possibly entertain the possibility of voting for McCain and say it in public. She needed to be relieved of her delegate position. Let her turn into a Republican and vote for McCain. I have heard some other radical feminist Hillary supporters who have said the same thing. That is not Hillary's position and she would not want anyone to vote for McCain rather than a Democrat. These women are showing their stupidity. I am Hillary supporter, so, will vote for Barack. He is a great candidate, as well, as evidenced by his campaign and the recent trip abroad.

She was a delegate for the freakin Democratic Party, but publicly endorses McCain? Lousy Repuke insider a.k.a. PUMA. It's people like you that hate on people like us because we know where we stand, and we stand by our country and our people, and you're confused and frightened and will keep running into the arms of an abuser because you fear any shift in your life, even if it means a better future. You would rather wake up to predictable failure because it's all you know. You pumas wonder why we're so mean??? Because you like being the victim and everyone sees how pathetic it is and feels sorry for you. Hillary felt sorry for you. She didn't have the courage to be honest with you and tell you that you have a great responsibility to yourself and no one's gonna hold your hand in the election booth. Feeling self destructive? Fine, just don't expect us to feel compelled to fully embrace your sadomasochist behavior. I'm not going to let my children rot in hell because I didn't get my way.

It is a good thing that she was voted out. I think Clinton's supporters are suffereing from some sort of illness. Most of them seem to be extremly angry.

The DNC did the right thing. Some of these so called PUMAs do not want to vote for Obama for some other reasons which they dare not disclose.

She got what she deserved. Buh-bye

Victor Flores wrote:

You go girl!!! I wouldn't vote for that arrogant/cocky Obama either, we had a arrogant presidency for the last 7 years, Obama is the same. When I see Obama I want to puke. The media, Democrat Party Leaders, have all drunk the "Obama koolaid" and are intoxicated. I have been a Democrat all my life, I am voting for John McCain, besides his wife is prettier than Michelle. BLUE VOTER, VOTING RED.

No Democrat would ever co-opt the derogatory right wing insult by referring to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat Party." You've probably never voted for a Democrat in your entire life - nobody who claims to have been a lifelong Democrat would be so glib about abandoning your principles in favor of a windbag like McCain.
Besides, everyone knows that Michelle is far more beatiful than Cindy. Then again, in all fairness, Cindy's looks likely faded during her years of sneaking around stealing drugs and felony theft of her employees' identities to support her illicit drug addiction, while her hubby was out boinking every hot blond in DC.
Moron.

Debra is and should be a Democrat. You may have difference of opinion, but at the end of the day she must support the Dems nominee. That's what loyalty to the party and the system is all about, not like Lieberman

CyBear wrote:

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A completely irrelevant point since she wasn't participating in selecting the GOP nominee.

You're not reading the correct part of the bylaw. The operative words are at the end of the section:
"and that the delegates it certified will not publicly support or campaign for any candidate for President or Vice President other than the nominees of the Democratic National Convention."
It was a CLEAR violation of her pledge as an elected delegate. Faithless delegates betray the trust and intent of the voters who elected them and whom they are to represent. The only fair solution is to remove their credentials and replace them with a faithful alternate. It's about the intent of the voters for whom the delegates are to represent, not the delegates themselves.

Good riddance!

Jim wrote:

How can anyone vote for a racist like Obama? He uses racist hate filled terms like "typical white person". He spends 20 years in a church that preaches hatred of white people.

I do not see anything racist in that comment; moreso, he was referring to his white grandmother, who brought him up; to suggest that Obama is racist is to ignore the fact that he is half white and that 50% of his families are whites, and you are also suggesting that he hates 50% of his family. You are going too far for levelling that accusation, and alot of people will not believe it.

Lieberman is the model of "Democrats" who are actually neocons. People like him and Debra are actually moles for AIPAC. They are one-issue candidates for whom the Likud policies of Israel are the be-all and end-all of politics in America. Any politician, in any party, who is in the tank for Likud, is their kind of guy. They are terrified of Obama because he doesn't need Jewish donors, since he's got an endless goldmine on line. Obama's no more the enemy of Israel than the great liberal American Jew George Soros. But neocons hate him just like Soros, because both Obama and Soros are for genuine justice and peace, for ALL, in Israel, Palestine, and everwhere else. That's not what the neocons have in mind.

The Wisconsin Democratic Party did the right thing. It is time for women to stop being emotional about the defeat of Hillary Clinton. The problems we face need women to show true grit and strength. Real Democrats, especially women, couldn't possibly vote for McCain. His record is clear, his present message is clear and it is at complete odds with Democratic beliefs and women's rights.

The Democratic Party has been demonstrating such anti-democratic behaviors during the primary leading into the presidential campaign, that they might as well put GOP campaign posters up. Alot of people will stay home. The more outraged ones will go vote for McCain. The party showes no interest in finding a candidate that the American People like, they seem to be totally set on manipulating the situation to limit Americans choices to suit other interests of dubious intentions.

Divisive, anti-democratic behaviors.

Good. Being a Delegate is a responsibility for grown-ups, not babies who want to take their toys home if they don't get what they want.
She is free to vote for McBush as a voter of course, as is her right. But frankly anyone who supported Hillary so staunchly and now says she is voting for McCain (who is a polar opposite to Clinton on most of the issues) doesn't garner much credibility in my book.

Tricia Wigg wrote:

The Wisconsin Democratic Party did the right thing. It is time for women to stop being emotional about the defeat of Hillary Clinton. The problems we face need women to show true grit and strength. Real Democrats, especially women, couldn't possibly vote for McCain. His record is clear, his present message is clear and it is at complete odds with Democratic beliefs and women's rights.

The objections to the anti-democratric behaviors of the DNC and the Obama Campaign go far beyond emotions. It is about our Democratic Process. Our economy is collapsing. The DNC has lost TWO elections to the GOP and George W. Bush. Once, maybe, but twice? There is something really wrong. Instead of recognizing that they are at fault, the DNC apparently chooses to blame the American Voter and thinks they would do better taking away the People's Choice. The Democratic Party needs to take inventory of their process and start promoting fair election processes supported by accurate information to the public.

It was an extremely close and hard fought battle and I know how devestated one feels when your candidate is defeated. However, the fact is that the democratic party usually has numerous 'also rans' throw their hats into the ring, and this time around, we had two very strong candidates. I don't believe gender defeated Hillary, rather, it was more likely that she was taken aback when Sen. Obama was still there after Super Tuesday, thus throwing her plan of 'inevitability' into a period of prolonged chaos. That said, to even intimate that one would give up their democratic ideals to vote for the right wing war friendly McCain, is unforgiveable and self defeating.

RU Kidding wrote:

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The objections to the anti-democratric behaviors of the DNC and the Obama Campaign go far beyond emotions. It is about our Democratic Process. Our economy is collapsing. The DNC has lost TWO elections to the GOP and George W. Bush. Once, maybe, but twice? There is something really wrong. Instead of recognizing that they are at fault, the DNC apparently chooses to blame the American Voter and thinks they would do better taking away the People's Choice. The Democratic Party needs to take inventory of their process and start promoting fair election processes supported by accurate information to the public.

Are you aware that the Republican party also punished the delegates from Florida and Michigan, for moving their primary up against party rules but gave them only half the vote? Not a word about that...I think that the Democratic party should have done the same thing and allowed campaigning there, but it did not. It did however let the party leaders in both states know if they moved the elections up against the party rules that their vote would not be counted. The party leaders in both of those states said okay, but we are going to do it anyway. You are right, its not the voters fault, but it is the fault of the party leaders in those 2 states. I feel the solution put up by the Democratic party to this difficult situation was fair. Frankly, I don't think they should have counted any of the votes in those states. AND if I was a voter from those 2 states I would let my party leaders know that I was unhappy with them and vote accordingly in the next state elections.

The Democratic Party would be better off without the minority of Clinton supporters who act like two year olds. Let them be Republicans, where they'll fit right in. Take Hillary and Bill with you.

Carmel Patriot wrote:

PROUD to be a McCain Democrat!!

u suk big time...