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“NASCAR = BORING”
Joined: Apr 2, 2008
Comments: 165
Hudson, WI
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Minneapolis, MN
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Labrat wrote: <quoted text> Interesting how you sidestepped the issue of the Wisconsin tornados. Keep that head in the sand. http://www.wsaw.com/weather/headlines/1854722... It's interesting how you neglected to mention that winter tornadoes, although very rare, have been occurring for decades long before the phrases "global warming" or "climate change" or whatever it's called these days were even coined. And yes, this is also true for northern states. MN has no record that I could find of tornadoes between December and February,(but there ARE records of tornadoes between March and November, and from a very long time ago) but Michigan does, and as long ago as the 1960's. It's also interesting that the link you posted was dated May 3, 2008, and was referring to 2 tornadoes (spawned from the same storm) that occurred the previous week. I'm not sure what calendar you're looking at, but according to mine, that's not winter.
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Catherine
Saint Paul, MN
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As with any disaster, call the American Red Cross or access their website, follow links within the local paper to help. We were in West St Paul and the turbulent weather came and went quickly as we watched to the north look as if they were getting hit hard. Always remember, it could happen to you and take measures for your personal safety and the safety of those immediately around you. Hoping the recovery is swift for all those involved... Catherine
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MnRoadsOnly
Minneapolis, MN
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Hugo: Stand Strong! God Bless!
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Jerami
Kansas City, MO
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I live about a 1/4 mile away from the path of the torando and it was a tornado. I saw it from my deck going through Hugo...it looked like one huge cloud...wasn't what I expected really...when I think of a tornado I think of a funnel. This wasn't the case...it was just a huge wall of cloud. When I went to the front to see where it was going thats when it started hailing...once the Baseball sized hail came down I went for cover...was really freaky hearing glass shatter and it sounded like our house was exploding...luckily we only had 5 windows busted out and all of our siding is shot. We were lucky...feel bad for what happened to that little boy and family.
When people say tornados sound like freight trains they are not lying...i could hear it from my house and it was a 1/4 - 1/2 mile away.
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Scoop
Wichita, KS
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If the gov't had passed a highway funding program sooner maybe this wouldn't have happened
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andy g
Chicago, IL
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jcf817 wrote: <quoted text>
It is also important to remember that sirens are not meant to be heard indoors. A NOAA weather radio is an important safety measure for anyone living in the midwest. Tornadoes can hit in the middle of the night when you're not watching TV, listening to the radio, or possibly unable to be woken up by a siren. The weather radio's alarm WILL wake you up. I guarantee! I don't know if this will help, but..we tracked this storm here in Illinois on the internet. We were texting friends in Blaine & Forest Lake to watch out. The initial hook was apparent on NWS radar in Buffalo and as the storm intensified it rotated clearly and a classic hook was over Coon Rapids and was clear all the way past Hugo. For home computer users go to NOAA.gov and click on national weather service, hit the location on the national map and you have access to all data including doppler radar. With a little tinkering you have access to all data the storm chasers do by linking to severe weather link at the NWS site. The best radar for watching your neighborhood, believe it or not is at weather.com ...set up your own weather page and go to the interactive map. You can use the satelite feature and crosshair right down on your hoome from space. Save that setting on your page. When the bad weather starts, you can track the storm coming at your hometown and home. It is exactly the same image that Jim Cantore on the weather channel sees. We watched this storm hook roll right down 242 from hwy 10 and were in contact with the loved ones, particularily when they were in their basements. Blaine was spared as the funnel apparently jumped them and dropped in Lino on the way to Hugo. It is worth the effort and time. A 30 minute investment can make you feel a little more empowered despite mother natures big advantage. My heart goes out to those affected in Hugo, particularily the family of the children who were killed and severely injured. God Bless.
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John M
Minneapolis, MN
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Anyone know what size the tornado was?
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andy g
Chicago, IL
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John M wrote: Anyone know what size the tornado was? aerial photos indicate a narrow but very intense damage path, maybe 250m-500m across. It isn't the size of the funnel though, the winds indicate the strength..looks to be at least F3 or F4 type damage from the pics on the internet in Hugo. Maybe EF1 in Coon Rapids. NWS report due this afternoon.
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andy g
Chicago, IL
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Josh V wrote: <quoted text>
It's interesting how you neglected to mention that winter tornadoes, although very rare, have been occurring for decades long before the phrases "global warming" or "climate change" or whatever it's called these days were even coined. And yes, this is also true for northern states. MN has no record that I could find of tornadoes between December and February,(but there ARE records of tornadoes between March and November, and from a very long time ago) but Michigan does, and as long ago as the 1960's.
It's also interesting that the link you posted was dated May 3, 2008, and was referring to 2 tornadoes (spawned from the same storm) that occurred the previous week. I'm not sure what calendar you're looking at, but according to mine, that's not winter. He used wrong dates, there was a winter tornado during a winter thaw period north of Chicago this year. I think that is the storm complex. Check the Milwaukee NWS site for added information.
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Shoot
United States
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andy g wrote: <quoted text> I don't know if this will help, but..we tracked this storm here in Illinois on the internet. We were texting friends in Blaine & Forest Lake to watch out. The initial hook was apparent on NWS radar in Buffalo and as the storm intensified it rotated clearly and a classic hook was over Coon Rapids and was clear all the way past Hugo. For home computer users go to NOAA.gov and click on national weather service, hit the location on the national map and you have access to all data including doppler radar. With a little tinkering you have access to all data the storm chasers do by linking to severe weather link at the NWS site. The best radar for watching your neighborhood, believe it or not is at weather.com ...set up your own weather page and go to the interactive map. You can use the satelite feature and crosshair right down on your hoome from space. Save that setting on your page. When the bad weather starts, you can track the storm coming at your hometown and home. It is exactly the same image that Jim Cantore on the weather channel sees. We watched this storm hook roll right down 242 from hwy 10 and were in contact with the loved ones, particularily when they were in their basements. Blaine was spared as the funnel apparently jumped them and dropped in Lino on the way to Hugo. It is worth the effort and time. A 30 minute investment can make you feel a little more empowered despite mother natures big advantage. My heart goes out to those affected in Hugo, particularily the family of the children who were killed and severely injured. God Bless. I think that Coon Rapids and Hugo were hit by the same tornado, not 2 separate ones like they are saying. It seems that way based on the location and the same hook on the radar.
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hdog
North Branch, MN
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Wow, this is too close to home for my liking. We almost bought a home in that area a few monthsd ago.
And, while I'm aghast that anyone was ignorant to bring global warming into this, how can someone think a May tornado is the effects of global warming? This is just the kind of mentality that makes so many of us sick and makes a legitimate scientific concern into a complete farce in most eyes. A May tornado is as American as the state fair. What are you thinking? And as to the WI tornados: there have been strange weather phenomena since the beginning of recorded history. Hey, it snowed here in July many years ago. The wooly mammoths have yet to show up.
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Labrat
Minneapolis, MN
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Josh V wrote: <quoted text>
It's interesting how you neglected to mention that winter tornadoes, although very rare, have been occurring for decades long before the phrases "global warming" or "climate change" or whatever it's called these days were even coined. And yes, this is also true for northern states. MN has no record that I could find of tornadoes between December and February,(but there ARE records of tornadoes between March and November, and from a very long time ago) but Michigan does, and as long ago as the 1960's.
It's also interesting that the link you posted was dated May 3, 2008, and was referring to 2 tornadoes (spawned from the same storm) that occurred the previous week. I'm not sure what calendar you're looking at, but according to mine, that's not winter. Okay, the search engine screwed me, but it did happen, and they are rare. Here is a link to the tornado that I was refering to. http://www.wgem.com/News/index.php... Another one: http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/13509797.... It did happen, and rare or not, weather extremes are on the rise. Hugo wasn't an acception, but it is fun to tweak the right wing whiners on this post.
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Labrat
Minneapolis, MN
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Shoot wrote: <quoted text>
I think that Coon Rapids and Hugo were hit by the same tornado, not 2 separate ones like they are saying. It seems that way based on the location and the same hook on the radar. I just took a bicycle ride to look over the affected area, and the beach on Centerville Lake had piles of hailstones a foot deep. It seems possible that the funnel passed over that area on its way to Hugo from Coon Rapids.
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“NASCAR = BORING”
Joined: Apr 2, 2008
Comments: 165
Hudson, WI
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Minneapolis, MN
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Labrat wrote: <quoted text> Okay, the search engine screwed me, but it did happen, and they are rare. Here is a link to the tornado that I was refering to. http://www.wgem.com/News/index.php... Another one: http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/13509797.... It did happen, and rare or not, weather extremes are on the rise. Hugo wasn't an acception, but it is fun to tweak the right wing whiners on this post. There is a very valid argument to be made that weather "extremes" are much better documented and detected now than ever before, which is why some are arguing that there is a "rise" in weather extremes. I'm not necessarily here to start a global warming p*$$ing match, but bear in mind that weather hasn't been recorded for that long. We have absolutely no idea, none whatsoever, what weather was like more than about 120-130 years ago. In fact, weather in MN was not officially recorded until approx. 1890. Most people who argue about global warming only report to others what they've heard from somebody else on TV or in a newspaper. I've actually done a fair amount of research on this myself, and while I'm far from an expert, I haven't come across enough actual scientific proof to captivate me into believing that this is actually something that is self-inflicted, and it is impossible, in my opinion, to say that extreme weather is "on the rise" when we have such a tiny fraction of weather history available.
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Hah
Minneapolis, MN
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MO B S wrote: <quoted text>
Go someplace you're wanted;(hint: it's not here) We could do without your negativity around here.
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Hmmm
Minneapolis, MN
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Holy cow. We were outside all day - it was sunny, lovely where we were - didn't even know this happened. How sad for these people.
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Diane Johnson
Saint Paul, MN
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Bless the people in Hugo, and know you are thought about every minute. God speed your recovery.
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Joined: May 5, 2008
Comments: 692
Minneapolis, MN
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jcf817 wrote: <quoted text>
It is also important to remember that sirens are not meant to be heard indoors. A NOAA weather radio is an important safety measure for anyone living in the midwest. Tornadoes can hit in the middle of the night when you're not watching TV, listening to the radio, or possibly unable to be woken up by a siren. The weather radio's alarm WILL wake you up. I guarantee! We have a weather radio and all that thing ever did was shock us out of bed for bad weather that was no where near us. It is unplugged and location unknown.
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Bob
Minneapolis, MN
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Difficult to understand why government is allowing houses to be built on swampland without basements. Guess developers have a lot pull in city hall. These people were forced to hide in their bathtubs, NOT a good place to seek cover.
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Jerami
Kansas City, MO
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I didn't know people didn't have basements...I think its more less they didnt have time to get in these basements...the houses in these neighborhoods are very nice houses...well over the 300K in value type of houses...I would shocked to find out they didnt have basements...it just happened so fast that they didnt have time to get there.
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