Churches encourage their members to go green for God

Blahhhhh wrote:

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Do you understand the term "liberation theology"? I'd love to see your definition.

Yes, we do understand it. We listened to Reverend Wright. Succinctly, it is "Hate whitey because he is the cause of all your problems!"

My God there are a lot of stupid, selfish, ignornant people who write here. Have you ever even read SCIENCE journals? No? Get your info from Fox? Yes? That does not qualify you to talk about science as though you are an expert.

No matter what you think about global warming, does it hurt you to live more sustainably? Yes, it means thinking about the consequences of your actions, but what makes you think you have the right to do whatever you want when there are 6 billion of us on this planet? What makes you so special? Although Fox will have you believe that Americans are God's chosen people, that, indeed is not in he Bible. But being a steward of the environment - that is.

Reasonable Person wrote:

My God there are a lot of stupid, selfish, ignornant people who write here. Have you ever even read SCIENCE journals? No? Get your info from Fox? Yes? That does not qualify you to talk about science as though you are an expert.
No matter what you think about global warming, does it hurt you to live more sustainably? Yes, it means thinking about the consequences of your actions, but what makes you think you have the right to do whatever you want when there are 6 billion of us on this planet? What makes you so special? Although Fox will have you believe that Americans are God's chosen people, that, indeed is not in he Bible. But being a steward of the environment - that is.

Forgive me brother, for I have sinned, but you have shown me the light and I need to be redeemed! Cleanse me, mother earth, for I have defiled thee, and I seek thy forgiveness!

CyBear wrote:

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Yes, we do understand it. We listened to Reverend Wright. Succinctly, it is "Hate whitey because he is the cause of all your problems!"

I think that's a fair definition of rev wright, but liberation theology identifies a much broader cast of demons.

John - St Paul wrote:

I agree that we need to use what we have wisely, but some of these 'green' churches have forgotten the Bible and adopted Earth as their god. I cannot find anyplace in the Bible where it says we should forsake the gifts God gave us for a good and fruitful life in exchange for poverty, stress and starvation. What makes the situation even more ludicrous is their lack of desire for TRUTH, as the truth 'sets us free'. I realize I'm taking this comment out of context, but in fact, there is no scientifc data that conclusively shows a man-made influence on global temperatures going up and the latest studies show that temperatures have been stable or dropping for the last decade.
We ae replacing food with fuel that takes more energy to produce than it provides. We're putting inefficient, mercury laden lightbulbs in our homes and businesses. We're encouraging the theft of personal property from one person and giving it to another. The list is virtually endless as the liberal left churches condemn multiple millions of people to death from starvation. I'm sure that Christ will call you all to accountability when you stand before him. How ignorant, heartless and selfish can people be.

talk about misreading the Bible.

Anyone make it to the Global Warming kite celebration in St Paul last weekend.

http://www.wishesforthesky.org

this about so much more than global warming - whether it's true or not. and there certainly an reasonable argument out there that if the earth is warming it's part of it's natural cycle and not much we can do about it. it's time to move beyond that. the demand for oil is going to keep going up. the demand for water is going to keep going up. every day there are signs from various species that we are poisoning the planet - if it affects them, it affects us. it's time to stop being wasteful, take better care of our very small world. stop depending on foreign oil and sending our money to an area of the world that hates us. we need to stop using more than our fare share of the world's resources - THAT'S christian and conservative behavior. that's how my grandparents and parents lived and they sure as heck weren't "leftists."

Liberation Theology simply put is Marxism.

Hah wrote:

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talk about misreading the Bible.

Indeed, why don't you talk about it? That is, substantiate your one-liner with some substance that supports it. I don't think you know anything at all about the bible, but why not prove me wrong.

J Adams wrote:

Liberation Theology simply put is Marxism.

Essentially, yes. Marxism adapted to operate from religious leaders.

me in st paul wrote:

this about so much more than global warming - whether it's true or not. and there certainly an reasonable argument out there that if the earth is warming it's part of it's natural cycle and not much we can do about it. it's time to move beyond that. the demand for oil is going to keep going up. the demand for water is going to keep going up. every day there are signs from various species that we are poisoning the planet - if it affects them, it affects us. it's time to stop being wasteful, take better care of our very small world. stop depending on foreign oil and sending our money to an area of the world that hates us. we need to stop using more than our fare share of the world's resources - THAT'S christian and conservative behavior. that's how my grandparents and parents lived and they sure as heck weren't "leftists."

I wish more conservatives thought about conservation like you do. It seems that many think that recycling turns them into AL Gore.

Another Earth Day has passed, so this is a good time to look back at predictions made on the original Earth Day about environmental disasters that were about to hit the planet, says the Washington Policy Center (WPC).

Most Earth Day predictions turned out to be stunningly wrong. In 1970, environmentalists said there would soon be a new ice age and massive deaths from air pollution. The New York Times foresaw the extinction of the human race. Widely-quoted biologist Paul Ehrlich predicted worldwide starvation by 1975.

More predictions of impending disaster:
"...civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind," biologist George Wald, Harvard University, April 19, 1970.

By 1995, "...somewhere between 75 and 85 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct." Sen. Gaylord Nelson, quoting Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, Look magazine, April 1970.

Because of increased dust, cloud cover and water vapor "...the planet will cool, the water vapor will fall and freeze, and a new Ice Age will be born," Newsweek magazine, January 26, 1970.

The world will be "...11 degrees colder in the year 2000 (this is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age)," Kenneth Watt, speaking at Swarthmore University, April 19, 1970.

More fearsome prognostications:
"We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation," biologist Barry Commoner, University of Washington, writing in the journal Environment, April 1970.

"By 1985, air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half..." Life magazine, January 1970.

"Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make," Paul Ehrlich, interview in Mademoiselle magazine, April 1970.

Source: Press Release, "Earth Day 2008: Predictions of Environmental Disaster Were Wrong," Washington Policy Center, April 22, 2008.

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http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/pressroom/pre...

Eastsider wrote:

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I wish more conservatives thought about conservation like you do. It seems that many think that recycling turns them into AL Gore.

Conservatives act responsibly, they just don't do it because of quasi-religious beliefs. My son said his teacher who was preaching global warming in class drives a large truck. I think global warming is a scientific fraud, but my car gets very good mileage and I re-cycle everything I can.

The reason the global warming movement is a religion is because people are judged by what they believe rather than what they actually do. Faith is measured.

Sensible environmentalism is a good thing for many reasons just not the worship of a divine living earth.

Red Ryder wrote:

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wow. maybe you should write amy klobuchar to win her "carbon buster award".
why do you presume people who doubt globull warming all consider themselves Christians?

I don't. But the article is about churches (presumably full of Christians), and is being ridiculed by people who say that the churches are "worshipping earth" instead of God. They cite the bible to support those statements....ergo, probably pretty good odds that they call themselves Christian. And considering that, what, 75% of Minnesotans claim a religion, usually christian, also a pretty safe bet.

Average Joe wrote:

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You are correct about taking care of ourselves, the poor, loving sinners, etc. But no place - not one place - does the bible say we should put "earth" before people, that we should harm the economy (harming the poor) by forcing ridiculous "sustainable" non-sense on people, or that one is not a "christian" because they don't worship at the alter of Global Warming. Here's another term for those who'd force that on Christians - Christophobes.

So, trying to use a bit less energy means "putting earth before people?" Turning off a light now and then, or combining trips in your car is "harming the poor?" Sounds a bit overdramatic to me, or like you're trying to justify your complete lack of interest in doing anything to help anyone else.

You don't have to believe in global warming to think that it's a good idea to conserve finite resources a little bit once in a while. Shutting off a light has nothing to do with Al Gore.

Being green is fine, mandating it is ridiculous.

Publius wrote:

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Conservatives act responsibly, they just don't do it because of quasi-religious beliefs. My son said his teacher who was preaching global warming in class drives a large truck. I think global warming is a scientific fraud, but my car gets very good mileage and I re-cycle everything I can.
The reason the global warming movement is a religion is because people are judged by what they believe rather than what they actually do. Faith is measured.
Sensible environmentalism is a good thing for many reasons just not the worship of a divine living earth.

While you and I may disagree about global warming, we do agree that 1# you should practice what you preach and #2 conservatism includes responsible use of natural resources. I've never understood those who claim to be "conservative", defend wasteful practices, and charge those who save energy as crazy zealots.