Senate says no to California clean-car emission rules

If they become federal standards, fine. Then discuss it. But why should Minnesotans have to rely on a bunch of Californians?

Dude!

way to go MN. (sarcasm laid on thick). We used to be a progressive state and led the way on things. now we are just pawns in the auto manufacturers game.

jr in stp wrote:

If they become federal standards, fine. Then discuss it. But why should Minnesotans have to rely on a bunch of Californians?
Dude!

we don't and we won't.

**California's Energy Colonialism**

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1209773448750...

... The blunt secret is this: California now imports lots of energy from neighboring states to make up for having too few power plants. Up to 20% of the state's power comes from coal-burning plants in Nevada, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado and Montana. Another significant portion comes from large-scale hydropower in Oregon, Washington State and the Hoover Dam near Las Vegas....
"California practices a sort of energy colonialism," says James Lucier... "They leave those states to deal with the resulting pollution."

...California's proud claim to have kept per-capita energy consumption flat while growing its economy is less impressive than it seems. The state has some of the highest energy prices in the country – nearly twice the national average – largely because of regulations and government mandates to use expensive renewable sources of power. As a result, heavy manufacturing and other energy-intensive industries have been fleeing the Golden State in droves....
And yet, despite a desperate need for more power, opposition to energy projects remains prevalent....

None of this has stopped leaders from setting wildly unrealistic goals for safeguarding the environment, from electric cars to wind-energy production.
The latest goal is to drastically reduce greenhouse-gas emissions.... Even the California Energy Commission hints that the targets might be unreachable. But they'll certainly cost a lot to find out. Analysis from the Electric Power Research Institute pegs the Act's cost to the California economy at anywhere from $100 billion to $511 billion.

Californians may feel good about their environmental consciousness. But someone needs to build power plants and oil refineries to fuel their economy. Someone needs to manufacture the cars they drive, the airplanes they fly, the chemicals and resins and paints and plastics that make their lives comfortable.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...

tell me again why we should be like Kalifornia?

At least there's SOME common sense left. Thank goodness.

I no longer live in Minnesota, but I still think of myself as a Minnesotan and will probably return someday. Probably someday soon. In the meantime, I am appreciative of the Senate for doing the right thing here. If we want a more stingent reduce-your-freedom-of-choice- and-make-it-more-expensive-to- live-for-the-sake-of-an-artifi cial-environmental-problem peice of legislation, then create your own. Something else you have to keep in mind is that California doesn't fall below 40 degrees throughout the year, therefore there is less energy needed by the individual to live.

Do we really need to run our economy in to the ditch to reduce average global temperature by .2 degrees by the end of the century? The people pushing this climate change hysteria are completely ignorant as to how much all of these regulations are going to cost the average middle class American. Environmentalists are today's Stalinists.

Why does this thing say I'm in Georgia?

I know-lets mandate swirly compact florescent lights with mercury in it to save mother earth.

Thats right we are already doing that!

Thank goodness this was not approved. Liberals lose!!!

I hope Mr. Marty is not back. The people of his district need to oust him. If you think fuel is high now if this would have passed I think you could add another 25-50 cents per gallon.
Hah Hah!

Finally some sense has returned.

I would raise their grade for this session from a straight F to a minus D.

Looks like the creepy lobbyists and interest groups won this one. I wonder how much they spent to buy legislators this time. Good work, Marty! Keep brining this up and hopefully, the skank lobbyists will run out of money and influence!

Boo to lobbyists wrote:

Looks like the creepy lobbyists and interest groups won this one. I wonder how much they spent to buy legislators this time. Good work, Marty! Keep brining this up and hopefully, the skank lobbyists will run out of money and influence!

What is it like to be soooooo obtuse?