Time to take back debate on health care

Zorkon 756 wrote:

I'm beginning to think we need a national IQ test.
One centered on government and economics which must be passed before being allowed to vote.
It is a terrible shame that the rest of us are being attacked by the right-wing lunitic fringe.
It's a shame we even have to hear from these idiots.
Al Qaida must be laughing it's A off and high fiving themselves.

you bet Al Qaida is happy... Obama is in office... remember that was the candidate they wanted...

chatterbox87501 wrote:

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A couple more questions:
Is the $9 fee for a prostate exam the total cost for that exam, did that $9 cover tht total cost incurred by the doctor, clinic?
Being able to go to the hospital and only having to pay small costs for meals and laptops is great, but does that $10.30 cover the total costs to the hospital for each day spent there?

The $9 and the $10.30 are the total out-of-pocket for me. The total costs to the clinic and the hospital are covered by insurance premium revenues and taxes. My insurance costs are low and don't change as a consequence of becoming ill. Costs for injuries resulting from motor vehicle accidents come from a separate fund of mandatory vehicle insurance.

obskeptic wrote:

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What time is it over there?

When it is 5 pm in Santa Fe, it's 8 am the next day in Japan.

Silent no More wrote:

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golden if you don't know what you are talking about.

Silent no More wrote:

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I agree... and the test should be formed like this...
1: did you voted for a socialist?
a: Yes, Obama is my savior
b: A what?
c: No, I never vote
d: No, socialists are destroying the USA
end of test... if your answer was a,b, or c please turn in your voters registration and seek help. Your voting privilege is suspended until you can explain why over 50 years of socialist programs have failed.

I think you need a one semester course on Tests and Measurements.

Paloma wrote:

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Sorry sweetheart, but I think Americans have no faith in a convoluted Bill and the con artist who promised integrity, transparency, and unity.
Obama's approval numbers are plumeting, and mostly among the people who supported him. Remember that MANY people called him a socialist from the very beginning. I and many others thought it was partisan politics.
Obama has balls the size of tires to want to pull this **** off on a nation that is NOT approving of government power grabs. Once I looked into this guy I realized he was BS pure and simple.
The mask is coming off. Hillary was right, the DNC has been taken over by a bunch of extremists that the majority in this country will NEVER relate with.
A Party Bought and Paid For.
http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx...

Well you think WRONG!
Recent polls show: 8/20 SurveyUSA News Poll: To the question “In any health care proposal, how important do you feel it is to give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance-- extremely important, quite important, not that important, or not at all important? 77% nationwide and 78% in the west feel it the public option is extremely important or quite important. That includes 67% of the conservatives, 80% of moderates, and 90% of liberals.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollPrint.asp...
9/4 Research 2000 POLL shows the public option remains popular, by a nearly 3-2 margin.– 58/34 Seems like people like the idea of competition in the insurance market, that would help lower premiums and keep currently unaccountable insurance companies honest. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/4/12...
Investor's Business Daily's editorial page has received 2 PANTS ON FIRE ratings from Politifact. They have absolutely no credibility. They are bald faced LIARs. Anyone who believes their cr@p lacks any critical thinking ability.

" would like to ask you WHY should we get the government out of health care? "

George as old as you are you would be one of the first to be told it'd not cost effective to treat you.

Is that a good enuff reason for you?

Steve van Dresser wrote:

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The $9 and the $10.30 are the total out-of-pocket for me. The total costs to the clinic and the hospital are covered by insurance premium revenues and taxes. My insurance costs are low and don't change as a consequence of becoming ill. Costs for injuries resulting from motor vehicle accidents come from a separate fund of mandatory vehicle insurance.

If our grandparents only knew they could have saved all those lives in WWII if they would have just surrendered to either the Japanese or the Germans. We would all have nationalized healthcare run by a government we could trust to do the right thing for us all. Boy did FDR get it wrong. What was he thinking?

obskeptic wrote:

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If our grandparents only knew they could have saved all those lives in WWII if they would have just surrendered to either the Japanese or the Germans. We would all have nationalized healthcare run by a government we could trust to do the right thing for us all. Boy did FDR get it wrong. What was he thinking?

What kind of person could possibly believe that World War II was fought over socialized medicine? I guess that would have to be someone who never heard of the holocaust or Pearl Harbor. I really didn't know that there were so many totally ignorant people around, until I started reading Topix.

Mike wrote:

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Did Bush violate the Constitution when he used warrantless wiretaps against citizens of this country? According to your logic, his actions were completely Constitutional even though they violated the 4th amendment - all because the court never handed down a decision saying the wiretaps were unconstitutional.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you another Obama supporter who believes Bush followed the Constitution to the "T".

That was a CRIMINAL action. The LAW which he could and should have been prosecuted under has withstood constitutional review.

Your conclusion is flat batsh!t crazy.

Even though he couldn't overcome the right-wing opposition to his health care proposals here at home, Harry Truman made sure Germany's national health care system was maintained and strengthened and national health care was implemented in post-war Japan.

Babe Rainbow wrote:

" would like to ask you WHY should we get the government out of health care? "
George as old as you are you would be one of the first to be told it'd not cost effective to treat you.
Is that a good enuff reason for you?

I'd like to nominate Babe Rainbow to be the mascot of the Republican Party.

He exemplifies most effectively, their intellectual standards, morals, and audacity.

We could even give him a can of Alpo every evening. In fact we might even go so far as to open the can for him.

Oops, sorry about that.

Opening the can for Babe Rainbow would be socialistic.

I guess he will just have to dine on his fleas.

Steve van Dresser wrote:

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When it is 5 pm in Santa Fe, it's 8 am the next day in Japan.

Let's check that!

If it is 3:00 PM Sunday September 6, in Honolulu, it is 8:00 AM September 7 in Japan. Right? Now do you ever have daylight saving time?(we do not)

Humpf:

I mean 2:00 pm in Honolulu.

Babe Rainbow wrote:

" would like to ask you WHY should we get the government out of health care? "
George as old as you are you would be one of the first to be told it'd not cost effective to treat you.
Is that a good enuff reason for you?

That is a complete lie and you know it. It is false propaganda and deflects the true debate about health care issues. It has no basis of fact and it comes in the form of ammunition for the people that have little ability for critical thinking. I reject your comment.

So Long Van Jones.....

The Communists are going to fall.

Glenn Beck Rocks.....

obskeptic wrote:

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If our grandparents only knew they could have saved all those lives in WWII if they would have just surrendered to either the Japanese or the Germans. We would all have nationalized healthcare run by a government we could trust to do the right thing for us all. Boy did FDR get it wrong. What was he thinking?

Yeah, and if bullfrogs had wings they wouldn't bump their butts on the lilly pads when they landed.

obskeptic wrote:

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do you post here? You have your own newspaper, don't you.

THE INFIDEL wrote:

So Long Van Jones.....
The Communists are going to fall.
Glenn Beck Rocks.....

the Maine - just as relevant.

What f are you posting about and why do you do it here?