Fierro trial: The key issues

Its ironic that a hispanic who does well and gives back to the community must be "politically involved" yet a Native American who we know comes from a family of very politically connected lobbyists and a Mrs. Poston who is known for working campaigns, somehow doesn't get in the story. I guess for those who work with government beware...youre political.

Joyce Fierro is not unlike others Mothers, they have unconditional love for their children, no matter what they do. If the tables were turned and Tenoro had hit and killed Carlos, what would the scenario be like? Go to the trial, have your friends sit in, invite friends, sent out email notices, justice must be served. Angela Spence Pacheco needs our support. Carlos could avoid all this, plead guilty, save taxpayer money and due his time. Either or, he'll do time in a very relaxed special prison.

Pedestrians always have the right of way in Santa Fe (and around the world). And I agree with Mr. Valdez's prior post. Make it simple, make the courtroom theaterics quick and put the guy who killed the other guy in jail withought wasting too much state money.

FOR FIERO:
1) Was he drunk?
2) Did he drive drunk?
3) Did he hit someone while driving drunk?
4) Did he leave the scene after the accident?
5) Did he report the accident?

FOR LOVATO:
1) Did he know Fiero was drinking?
2) Did he know Fiero was drunk?
3) Did he allow Fiero to drive drunk?
4) Did he know Fiero hit a person?
5) Did he allow Fiero to leave the scene?
6) Why didn't he arrest Fiero?
7) Why didn't he report the accident?
8) Why did he ride with a drunk driver?

BOTH OF THESE GUYS WERE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE LAWS PERTAINING TO DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE, BOTH KNEW THE LAWS OF LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT.

WHAT WAS THE REAL REASON FOR THEM TO LEAVE,
KNOWING THAT THEY HAD COMMITTED A MAJOR CRIME?

WHO ELSE WAS IN THE CAR? HAVE FINGER PRINTS BEEN MADE OF THE REAR DOORS AND INSIDE OF THE CAR?

Lucia Valdez wrote:

Joyce Fierro is not unlike others Mothers, they have unconditional love for their children, no matter what they do. If the tables were turned and Tenoro had hit and killed Carlos, what would the scenario be like? Go to the trial, have your friends sit in, invite friends, sent out email notices, justice must be served. Angela Spence Pacheco needs our support. Carlos could avoid all this, plead guilty, save taxpayer money and due his time. Either or, he'll do time in a very relaxed special prison.

You are right, thats why we need to make sure Tenorio is not blamed for anything., lets hire Poston...hmmm., the one who has worked political campaigns forever, lets make sure no one knows we are lobbyists and connected to the Governor, oh, lets make sure that William's DUIs, the multiple arrests for driving with a revoked license for DUI, the many domestic violence arrests, the tens of thousands in child support, the DNA testing of our nephew,that he never raised the kids, the always having BIA police at the house for fights and drunkeness, that he was going to drive back to the Pueblo drunk, and more and more...lets make sure that never comes out because of the unconditional love that people to make sure that people dont see William had anything to do with this. I have grown up in this Pueblo, I work in law enforcement and know this was just another reckless act that put him in a bad situation where sadly he lost his life, but its so gross for me to see this group trying to fake the truth...its money no doubt., guilty in the press=guilty in court=$$$$$$$. I hope that truth comes out because anyone who is in the middle of the road in all black without paying attention puts themselves in danger.

Gandalf wrote:

FOR FIERO:
1) Was he drunk?
2) Did he drive drunk?
3) Did he hit someone while driving drunk?
4) Did he leave the scene after the accident?
5) Did he report the accident?
FOR LOVATO:
1) Did he know Fiero was drinking?
2) Did he know Fiero was drunk?
3) Did he allow Fiero to drive drunk?
4) Did he know Fiero hit a person?
5) Did he allow Fiero to leave the scene?
6) Why didn't he arrest Fiero?
7) Why didn't he report the accident?
8) Why did he ride with a drunk driver?
BOTH OF THESE GUYS WERE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE LAWS PERTAINING TO DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE, BOTH KNEW THE LAWS OF LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT.
WHAT WAS THE REAL REASON FOR THEM TO LEAVE,
KNOWING THAT THEY HAD COMMITTED A MAJOR CRIME?
WHO ELSE WAS IN THE CAR? HAVE FINGER PRINTS BEEN MADE OF THE REAR DOORS AND INSIDE OF THE CAR?

So true!
lets also add
TENORIO
Was he drunk?
Had he had a pattern of recklessness?
Was he in all black?
Was he in the middle of the road walking backwards?
Was he looking at the cell phone or paying attention to oncoming traffic?
Was he even facing traffic?
If I wore camoflauge in the forest and ran in front of a bunch of lines of fire would I expect them to see me?

I am sick of this case getting more attention than cases where the DUI driver was certainly at fault...oh wait, it involves a hispanic driver..ahhh got it.

Lucia Valdez wrote:

Joyce Fierro is not unlike others Mothers, they have unconditional love for their children, no matter what they do. If the tables were turned and Tenoro had hit and killed Carlos, what would the scenario be like? Go to the trial, have your friends sit in, invite friends, sent out email notices, justice must be served. Angela Spence Pacheco needs our support. Carlos could avoid all this, plead guilty, save taxpayer money and due his time. Either or, he'll do time in a very relaxed special prison.

guilty he won't do time in a relaxed prison. That we can all be sure of. Because of the crime, he should do time right here in Santa Fe or in HObbs. Both of which are maximum security. After he does at least half of the time then he might be able to be transferred to a minimum security prison. but, because he's a lawyer he will praised by the other prisoners. but he will do time in a maximum security prison.

a lot of spam from the same person with the ventura ISP blaming the victim.

Bottom line facts here are going to go down to 2.

1. Fierro was so drunk, he forgot to turn on his headlights, and when the average rational driver drives at night, this is one of the first things he turns on.

2. The average driver, upon feeling that he has a blowout on his tires, does not "gun it" but pulls over to the side, to either repair the situation or call a tow truck.

These two facts are going to be the death of Fierro's hopes that he and his high dollar attorneys can "beat the system"....Regardless of Mr. Tenorio's negligence, and own drunkeness, it was Fierro's drunkeness that caused this accident. The average driver, even driving at night, when presented with the same situation, would slow down, and yield to the drunken Tenorio. At .24, you have a hard time walking, much less paying attention to the road. It was a very preventable accident. This would be an easy one to test out, with a mannequin, on the same road, after 1am. Place black clothes on the mannequin, and see what the average driver does, upon seeing it on the road.(Hits the brakes, brake slowly, slowing down the vehicle, pulling over to the side, swerving, ect.) At .24, Fierro was basically fecalmatterfaced. He did not have the motor skills, or the hand eye coordination, to be driving safely. He was not "paying attention" to the road, and both he and the ex cop were fecalmatterfaced, so we wont get decent testimony out of either one, as to what was happening seconds before the fatal impact. My guess is that they were probably yukking it up, or figuring out where to go party next. The so called "fight" at Willees is a bunch of defecation from a bull. Will and Lee ran a tight ship as far as barfights there, and all staff were alerted to inform Lee or Will when it was going down so the bouncers could pounce.

Karsesh wrote:

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You are right, thats why we need to make sure Tenorio is not blamed for anything., lets hire Poston...hmmm., the one who has worked political campaigns forever, lets make sure no one knows we are lobbyists and connected to the Governor, oh, lets make sure that William's DUIs, the multiple arrests for driving with a revoked license for DUI, the many domestic violence arrests, the tens of thousands in child support, the DNA testing of our nephew,that he never raised the kids, the always having BIA police at the house for fights and drunkeness, that he was going to drive back to the Pueblo drunk, and more and more...lets make sure that never comes out because of the unconditional love that people to make sure that people dont see William had anything to do with this. I have grown up in this Pueblo, I work in law enforcement and know this was just another reckless act that put him in a bad situation where sadly he lost his life, but its so gross for me to see this group trying to fake the truth...its money no doubt., guilty in the press=guilty in court=$$$$$$$. I hope that truth comes out because anyone who is in the middle of the road in all black without paying attention puts themselves in danger.

I am deeply troubled that you and other members ofMr Fierros family thinks that blaming the victim is the right thing to do. I think you can do more for your family member by saying "no comment". Your attitude is that of those that blame the woman for a rape. If Mr. Fierro and Mr. Lavato, as public servants, would have stopped and assisted, your family member would not be in the this situation. He may have been charged with DWI, which he was driving very intoxicated, but the backlash and public outcry is what transpired after the fact. Just as you want to blame someone else, Carlos took his future into his own hands when he got behind the wheel completely intoxicated. Everything that was his future evaporated for the both of them when they fled the scene. It was cowardly and despicable and I am sure if Fierro and Lovato had NOT been drinking they would have done the right thing.

I read the paper and they were definately over served at Rio Chama. There is no way, no how that would have happened anywhere else. Why were they not cited? Now that would be a good story! You can charge a convience clerk (remeber Dana Pabst) off a recept of 1 Six Pack but nothing after reading the long list of alcohol that they were served...interesting

With you wrote:

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It is the sad truth. They are a good family and I know them especially his sister Charlotte who is a big political lobbyist and they were concerned as well. A lot of us in the Pueblo are taking back from all this media exposure because he never raised those poor kids and was always beating up the girls mother and getting arrested for driving drunk and put in the tank to sober up. Even when he wouldn't acknowledge the son from that lady till he was 13 and they forced a DNA they tried to get him help. Its too bad he didn't get his life together and I am sure they are grieving but to make him out to be some model citizen, I think the money aspect is pretty clear. Its one thing to sue but its another to get a pr lady like poston from sandia and flip everything around.

Oh my God...what is wrong with some of you..EZgis and a couple of others. I always thought of Carlos as a classy sort of guy..when NOT drinking..but you are making it pretty apparent that he was just another kid from the other side of the tracks. Too much.

With you wrote:

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It is the sad truth. They are a good family and I know them especially his sister Charlotte who is a big political lobbyist and they were concerned as well. A lot of us in the Pueblo are taking back from all this media exposure because he never raised those poor kids and was always beating up the girls mother and getting arrested for driving drunk and put in the tank to sober up. Even when he wouldn't acknowledge the son from that lady till he was 13 and they forced a DNA they tried to get him help. Its too bad he didn't get his life together and I am sure they are grieving but to make him out to be some model citizen, I think the money aspect is pretty clear. Its one thing to sue but its another to get a pr lady like poston from sandia and flip everything around.

You are so making this worse...SHUT UP!

Why the heck are people attacking the victim. Who cares what was going on in Mr. Tenorio's life. Are you people implying that it's okay that he died because he had problems just like any human being on the planet? Remember that this whole trial is about two men who drank excessively and then proceeded to be so selfish that they got in a car and killed someone. Thankfully it wasn't more than one person but one person is the same as 4. I don't care who the victim was, he didn't deserve to die. I don't even care who the heck Fierro is, he deserves to sit in a prison cell for years, more than nine years for what he did. And so should any other @ss who get's on the road drunk. So leave the victim alone. Have some class, the man is dead. Who gives what his so called aunt said.

Alucard wrote:

Bottom line facts here are going to go down to 2.
1. Fierro was so drunk, he forgot to turn on his headlights, and when the average rational driver drives at night, this is one of the first things he turns on.
2. The average driver, upon feeling that he has a blowout on his tires, does not "gun it" but pulls over to the side, to either repair the situation or call a tow truck.
These two facts are going to be the death of Fierro's hopes that he and his high dollar attorneys can "beat the system"....Regardless of Mr. Tenorio's negligence, and own drunkeness, it was Fierro's drunkeness that caused this accident. The average driver, even driving at night, when presented with the same situation, would slow down, and yield to the drunken Tenorio. At .24, you have a hard time walking, much less paying attention to the road. It was a very preventable accident. This would be an easy one to test out, with a mannequin, on the same road, after 1am. Place black clothes on the mannequin, and see what the average driver does, upon seeing it on the road.(Hits the brakes, brake slowly, slowing down the vehicle, pulling over to the side, swerving, ect.) At .24, Fierro was basically fecalmatterfaced. He did not have the motor skills, or the hand eye coordination, to be driving safely. He was not "paying attention" to the road, and both he and the ex cop were fecalmatterfaced, so we wont get decent testimony out of either one, as to what was happening seconds before the fatal impact. My guess is that they were probably yukking it up, or figuring out where to go party next. The so called "fight" at Willees is a bunch of defecation from a bull. Will and Lee ran a tight ship as far as barfights there, and all staff were alerted to inform Lee or Will when it was going down so the bouncers could pounce.

So if Tenorio hadnt just walked into the middle of a dark street and not paying attention to his surroundings..what fierro would have still hit him? oh wait, Tenorio would never have been in the middle of the road to begin with. hahaha., you hate drunk drivers, share the wealth, including the one that was about to drive back to the pueblo. This is a comedy of justice.

[QUOTE who=" **** "]Why the heck are people attacking the victim. Who cares what was going on in Mr. Tenorio's life. Are you people implying that it's okay that he died because he had problems just like any human being on the planet? Remember that this whole trial is about two men who drank excessively and then proceeded to be so selfish that they got in a car and killed someone. Thankfully it wasn't more than one person but one person is the same as 4. I don't care who the victim was, he didn't deserve to die. I don't even care who the heck Fierro is, he deserves to sit in a prison cell for years, more than nine years for what he did. And so should any other @ss who get's on the road drunk. So leave the victim alone. Have some class, the man is dead. Who gives what his so called aunt said.[/QUOTE]

I think the point they were making is that Tenorio was living a pretty unresponsible life so his actions that night were within that pattern. Not to mention there seems to be more to his past then the paper was telling us and he too was about to drive drunk. So, I dont think they are reaching.

ummm wrote:

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I think the point they were making is that Tenorio was living a pretty unresponsible life so his actions that night were within that pattern. Not to mention there seems to be more to his past then the paper was telling us and he too was about to drive drunk. So, I dont think they are reaching.

What Mr. Tenorio did or didn't do is irrelevant. He did not kill anyone. He was walking accross the street. Now if your really going to say something about the fact that he was Jay walking then your saying that every tourist who visits Santa Fe deserves to die. If your saying that there was a light issue that night there was. Fierro's lights were off because the fool was too drunk to realize they were off. GUILTY!!!!

Sherlock wrote:

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So if Tenorio hadnt just walked into the middle of a dark street and not paying attention to his surroundings..what fierro would have still hit him? oh wait, Tenorio would never have been in the middle of the road to begin with. hahaha., you hate drunk drivers, share the wealth, including the one that was about to drive back to the pueblo. This is a comedy of justice.

Let me give you a scenario, there Watson. You and I are at a party. We are both drunk (.26 each). You are talking smack, so I punch you in the jaw, and you fall down. When I wake up in jail the next day, they said after I hit you, you fell down, and hit your head, and stopped breathing. You died on the way to the emergency room. I claimed that you were drunk, and talking smack, and had you not been drunk and talking smack I would not have hit you....after all, public intoxication is a misdeamenor.... Do I walk, or get away with murder like Carlos is trying to do? The average driver, driving on that same road is able to avoid a jaywalker, 10 times out of 10. Put 6 shots of Crown in him (driver), in a vehicle with 2 blown tires and no headlights, and guess what happens in the same scenario?

Alucard wrote:

<quoted text>Let me give you a scenario, there Watson. You and I are at a party. We are both drunk (.26 each). You are talking smack, so I punch you in the jaw, and you fall down. When I wake up in jail the next day, they said after I hit you, you fell down, and hit your head, and stopped breathing. You died on the way to the emergency room. I claimed that you were drunk, and talking smack, and had you not been drunk and talking smack I would not have hit you....after all, public intoxication is a misdeamenor.... Do I walk, or get away with murder like Carlos is trying to do? The average driver, driving on that same road is able to avoid a jaywalker, 10 times out of 10. Put 6 shots of Crown in him (driver), in a vehicle with 2 blown tires and no headlights, and guess what happens in the same scenario?

Again I say Bravo!

...trial will turn out to be a waste of time and $$. Either he will be found not guilty of vehicular homicide or if he is found guilty the judge will give him probation or something like a 90 day sentence. I think Court TV should get in on this and fully expose the laughable antics related to DWI in this sad state to the entire country.