Melee erupts at farmers market drum circle - Santa Cruz Sentinel

Moike wrote:

Santana Row, what Downtown should be... I'm just sayin'

I suggest you go live over there then.

One of the things I love about SC is that there is ALL kinds of music. You want a good latin band? We got 'em. Salsa? Raggae? Folk? Jazz? Blues? Hawaiian?

We get 'em all.

There's room for everything - even stuff you don't like. You don't want to hear the drum circle? Don't go there! There are plenty of other Farmer's Markets in this area. Hey, I'm annoyed at the lack of parking at that market - let's make it illegal for anyone but me to park there! Or maybe I should just ride my bike and avoid that problem.

My point is, let's be a might bit more tolerant. We ALL do something that annoys someone else. And we should have the right, just as you and I have the right to post our thoughts here.

The fundamental issue is Santa Cruz's lenient (leftist) acceptance of the homeless. Why should the hardworking people of this town have to share our public streets with people who do nothing productive? This attitude over the last few decades has bred the problems we see today.

But in the drummers/congregators defense, they are mostly peaceful (a little stoned, perhaps, but who isn't?) and the sound of drums is really not a nuisance unless your within a 1 block radius, on a wednesday. But its a precedent...

palmspringsbum wrote:

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Because if you had your way no one would ever be able to do anything anywhere.

Your right that's exactly what I said (note this is sarcasm just in case your mind is a little too hazy to recognize it) and you know this about me how based on one question? Careful your narrow mindlessness is showing - Peace.

Karri Barry wrote:

It's too bad Santa Cruz is full of completely ignorant, self righteous people. Funny how most of them don't even use their real names....only brave enough to say these things under an alias?? Santa Cruz doesn't belong to any one person. Apparently these people think it belongs to them. In my opinion the people who say to jail the drummers or run them out of town are no better than Hitler trying to rid the world of the Jews. We all have a right to be here. The drummers are being targeted by the police because they don't look as nice as the you sad little rich folk. If you want a nice little white community to live in, move to Scotts Valley and leave Santa Cruz to the people who make a real difference in creating a society of acceptance and change.

Why should we accept rude behavior, illegal activity and urinating in public? Downtown Santa Cruz s_u_c_k_s!

Cereal Killer wrote:

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There's room for everything - even stuff you don't like. You don't want to hear the drum circle? Don't go there! There are plenty of other Farmer's Markets in this area.
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My point is, let's be a might bit more tolerant. We ALL do something that annoys someone else. And we should have the right, just as you and I have the right to post our thoughts here.

I couldn't agree more. But, let me flip your argument around. How about having some common courtesy to others? There are lots of open spaces in the county where the drummers won't bother anybody. Drumming, jamming, bagpipe playing in the middle of a farmer's market probably isn't appropriate.

Although I have not experienced the drumming myself, I cannot comment on whether I would personally find it offensive (I love Taiko!). However, by the number of negative posts and complaints to police, apparently a good number of people DO find it obnoxious. If it were my group, I'd find someplace else to play away from others--more time to enjoy drumming, less time being harrassed by the police. That is, of course, unless their real motive is to make some sort of flawed political statement instead of enjoying drumming, which I suspect is their _real_ agenda. If their intent is a political statement, well then they're not doing much for their cause.

Hey Robert!
One of the photos on Indy propeganda says you are a cop. Is that your idea of acutal info?

Robert Norse wrote:

For actual info and real photos rather than police propaganda and blame-the-victim hate orgasms, go to:
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/09/17/1...
and
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/09/17/1...
For background on the prior police seizure of public space, compliments of Mayor Coonerty's weird 15-minute Trespass Law, check out
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/09/11/1...

rangefinder wrote:

The farmers market is great for the city and great for the people buying the fresh produce but unfortunately it also draws the same "trustafarian anarchists" who think this venue gives them a place to hold their "politically correct" gatherings. And who the hell cares about these damned annoying drum circles. Go down to the beach and play your drums and don't add to the noise pollution of the downtown area. Oh, and the next time you need the police just play your drum and hope for the best!

Yep, I couldn't have said it better myself rangefinder. Thanks for putting it short and to the point!

ROBERT NORse do you work at all or do you just live off of welfare? im curious.. all i see is you out there jumping from one topic to another.... i mean if you want to focus on drum rights well then thats ok. but the next day you jump into the save the frog campaign and the next day save the trees... which cause do you belong to. and you call yourself an activists. at least the PETA people are there to prevent animal cruelty and thats their cause. but santa cruz protesters are lost.!!! i think norse and the other bums have smoked to much weed and have never held a real job....!!!!!! get outa town....

Cereal Killer wrote:

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I suggest you go live over there then.
One of the things I love about SC is that there is ALL kinds of music. You want a good latin band? We got 'em. Salsa? Raggae? Folk? Jazz? Blues? Hawaiian?
We get 'em all.
There's room for everything - even stuff you don't like. You don't want to hear the drum circle? Don't go there! There are plenty of other Farmer's Markets in this area. Hey, I'm annoyed at the lack of parking at that market - let's make it illegal for anyone but me to park there! Or maybe I should just ride my bike and avoid that problem.
My point is, let's be a might bit more tolerant. We ALL do something that annoys someone else. And we should have the right, just as you and I have the right to post our thoughts here.

There is tolerant and then there is tolerant.

The drum people I think have worn out their welcome. Most average/normal people have a threshhold of tolerance. The Conservatives in this county have been pretty tolerant of the left. So much so that Conservatives have lost a lot (See UCSC Student Voting). I love to hunt yet if I went to a PETA meeting I am sure the PETA people will not be so tolerant of me if I want to teach the latest Hunting Tips and Gun Safety. These Drum Circle People are acting like a drunk patron who refuses to leave a bar even though just about everyone has had enough of their music(?). They did it to themselves. From now on anywhere they go people are going to want them gone.

Neil Pert they are not!

Harry Merkin

May I suggest a reading list for the drum circle, and other downtown denizens who seem to have forgotten that there are rules in society?

http://charactercounts.org/resources/booklist...

Moike wrote:

Santana Row, what Downtown should be... I'm just sayin'

Santana Row? I think you're shooting a bit high for downtown Santa Cruz. Sure, it has the potential. At this point, however, even a downtown Campbell or Pleasanton would be a step up on the overall pleasantness/family-friendly scale. I've generally had a good time Downtown but I always feel on edge when I have the kids with me (and no, it's not my kids that make me feel on edge). Who knows what unpleasant surprises await Downtown?

I was down in the other self-proclaimed Surf City, Huntington Beach, last weekend. A very pleasant downtown, open air environment. Bustling with people, no drunks, or homeless, or scary-looking folks. Still "weird" enough to be interesting, though. Then again, it wasn't Spring Break.

Come on Santa Cruz, we call all do better. I'm surprised that the local businesses don't push for more improvements or band together to do it themselves. It would be good for all involved.

It is absolutely outrageous that the mindless drum beating IDIOTS!!! are still allowed in the PARKING LOT next to the farmers market. I cannot tell you the countless times that I have tried to drive past these zombies and or watched others try to pull out of the PARKING LOT. I have run out of tolerance for these self entitled A Holes. I hope they are cited every chance SCPD gets. If a crowd surrounds the police, the police should do whatever they possibly can to ensure their safety and the public's safety. As for Santa Cruz City Councilman Tony Madrigal, the abusively drunk womanizing ****, I hope this city population isn't STUPID enough to re-elect him.

Soquel by the Creek wrote:

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I've generally had a good time Downtown but I always feel on edge when I have the kids with me (and no, it's not my kids that make me feel on edge).

That was really selfish of you to steal that opportunity from us. ;-)

Run the **** out of town! And break their drums too.

Cereal Killer wrote:

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My point is, let's be a might bit more tolerant. We ALL do something that annoys someone else. And we should have the right, just as you and I have the right to post our thoughts here.

I pee in the pool when no one is looking.

rangefinder wrote:

... Go down to the beach and play your drums and don't add to the noise pollution of the downtown area. best!

LOL "noise pollution". You've got to be freakin' kidding me. You people are pathetic.

The noise and crowd from the drum circle **** , and has become a public nuisance. Any pretense that the drum circle is part of the market is shattered when drummers post here or over on Indybay that we can shop elsewhere.

Beavis and Butthead wrote:

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I pee in the pool when no one is looking.

http://kauaimark.blogspot.com/2007/08/dont-pe...

Cereal Killer wrote:

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I suggest you go live over there then.
One of the things I love about SC is that there is ALL kinds of music. You want a good latin band? We got 'em. Salsa? Raggae? Folk? Jazz? Blues? Hawaiian?
We get 'em all.
There's room for everything - even stuff you don't like. You don't want to hear the drum circle? Don't go there! There are plenty of other Farmer's Markets in this area. Hey, I'm annoyed at the lack of parking at that market - let's make it illegal for anyone but me to park there! Or maybe I should just ride my bike and avoid that problem.
My point is, let's be a might bit more tolerant. We ALL do something that annoys someone else. And we should have the right, just as you and I have the right to post our thoughts here.

Cereal Killer your feeble pointless posts reek of false logic and are unsubstantiated by any fact. Pure emotion from some wishy-washy lefty flip-flop who preaches acceptance of others as long as their not on your doorstep. You make me sick!

How's your tolerence level now?
Just checking.
Hope I didn't annoy you.

Karri Barry wrote:

It's too bad Santa Cruz is full of completely ignorant, self righteous people. Funny how most of them don't even use their real names....only brave enough to say these things under an alias?? Santa Cruz doesn't belong to any one person. Apparently these people think it belongs to them. In my opinion the people who say to jail the drummers or run them out of town are no better than Hitler trying to rid the world of the Jews. We all have a right to be here. The drummers are being targeted by the police because they don't look as nice as the you sad little rich folk. If you want a nice little white community to live in, move to Scotts Valley and leave Santa Cruz to the people who make a real difference in creating a society of acceptance and change.

Sounds like an oxymoron to me. Acceptance AND Change do not go together. Acceptance OF Change is a different statement, but that is now what you wrote.

My experience is that the liberals in Santa Cruz are more anti-establishment than tolerant of others. This attitude led to the demise of the 60's counter-culture movement which ultimately overstepped its bounds and turned to oppression and violence against the establishment, not tolerance as its founders preached. It has now manifested itself in wonderful Santa Cruz and become the cancer, that rots from within, this great city by the ocean.