Downtown Santa Cruz group aims to counter safety concerns

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Xanthippe wrote:

I'd like to point out (yet again) that many of the people complaining about poor behavior downtown are not complaining about the homeless.
Who can really tell which people have homes and which don't? I can't. I don't know whether it's homeless people or not who hassle me, but I do know that they are useless parasitic bums.
I can't help it if people like BJ and loweroceanlocal read the above and assume I'm talking about homeless people - I'm not.
I'm not anti-homeless. I'm anti-useless parasitic bums.
Both BJ and loweroceanlocal are trying to frame this issue as anti-homeless. It's not. It's about being against the antisocial creeps who infest our community, and who both BJ and loweroceanlocal end up being apologists for when they take this tact.
Hope this helps.

i will never condemn a person who is asking for a little help, sometimes people need to be babied along until they get the gumption to get up and get a job. i remember being homeless, during el nino, and people treating me like dirt because i needed a little change for a cup of coffee, telling me to get a job, when i already had one, but my wallet got stolen along with my tent and sleeping bag. all i needed was a buck fifty for a fast cup from the roaster, and maybe a smoke, before i went and dug ditches for money. but no....it was much easier for people to judge me as a piece of crap, and not have any compassion. yeah that morning i cussed more than one person out. don't judge aman until you hae walked a mile in his shoes. you don't know what that homeless man did, he could have been a veteran of a foreign war, served his country... or maybe they have a hidden disability, but to you they are just scum, because they want a smoke, or some change, or leftovers... it sounds like you think the worst of people, when you should try to find the best in them

DBS

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Becky Johnson wrote:

It's going to be a very interesting JUDGEMENT DAY for you DAN. When our creator asks you how many poor people you HELPED with your vast fortune.
Have you ever read "A Christmas Story" by Charles Dickens, DAN? You could be a model for a modern day Scrooge.

Wrong again whackjob.

I've left a very large trail of people that I have genuinely helped. Friends AND family, AND charitable contributions.Ask anyone that knows me personally. I prefer not to make that information public. I didn't do that for the notoriety that it brings.
That's part of what I find so irritating about you and your parasitic vagrants. AFTER I have done MORE than my share of generous contribution, AFTER I have endlessly paid into various systems to help the less fortunate(or motivation impaired), I still can barely go out in public without some lowlife deciding they're entitled to MY rewards of MY labors.

You're pathetic HYPOCRISY has once again reared it's big, ugly head. Did you tell your trust-fund-multi-millionaire crapsack boyfriend the same thing????? The walking,talking rectal polyp that just COST the Santa Cruz taxpayers SIX FIGURES for his moronic Nazi salute stunt?????
Oh yes, a cheap bucket of soup that he passed out makes it all fine and dandy.

DBS

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Becky Johnson wrote:

Dan has to use his PORSCHE, and his NICE HOUSE (which he inherited if I am not mistaken, right DAN?)

Lying crackpot.

There you go fabricating information again.

I NEVER said ONE WORD about inheriting ANYTHING!!!!

DBS

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Becky Johnson wrote:

DBS WRITES: "I have never collected ONE SINGLE PENNY of public assistance, unemployment, or disability payments. All I have done is pay into the systems, that support the parasite class."
BECKY: You are too wealthy to qualify for any public assistance.

Wrong again you lying fool.

You really ought to try getting the facts before you open your fat,stupid mouth.

I could have claimed A major disability from a serious injury that occurred in my late twenties. I still could If I wanted to.

I made the choice to not exercise that option.

I chose to try to WORK my way out of the unfortunate circumstance that I had put myself into.

nostradamus

Denver, CO

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george homer is a lying ****

DBS

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Becky Johnson wrote:

It's going to be a very interesting JUDGEMENT DAY for you DAN. When our creator asks you how many poor people you HELPED with your vast fortune.
Have you ever read "A Christmas Story" by Charles Dickens, DAN? You could be a model for a modern day Scrooge.

(A)You have no right to impose YOUR religious beliefs on me, or anyone else.
(B) If there is such a thing as judgement day, YOU are going to have to explain why you are so disgracefully, disgustingly OBESE, while demanding that EVERYONE ELSE pay to feed your legion of parasitic bums. You'll have to explain why you overstuffed yourself, while the poor went hungry.

P.S. I can, and have given away my money to help people, but you can't give away your folds of flab.

loweroceanlocal

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DBS wrote:

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(A)You have no right to impose YOUR religious beliefs on me, or anyone else.
(B) If there is such a thing as judgement day, YOU are going to have to explain why you are so disgracefully, disgustingly OBESE, while demanding that EVERYONE ELSE pay to feed your legion of parasitic bums. You'll have to explain why you overstuffed yourself, while the poor went hungry.
P.S. I can, and have given away my money to help people, but you can't give away your folds of flab.

and you have no right to impose your religious values of worshiping work and money on those people you chose to call by the derogatory term,"bums". if you are not subject to becky's morals, than why should anyone be subject to yours??? why should people have to listen to your drivel, and why do you think people should have to comply with your ethics??? why should everyone have to live the way you do... you are a hypocrite, you expect everyone to live by the moral code you have written for society, yet you hautily refuse to abide by anyone elses' "religious beliefs"

DBS

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TrollOnARoll wrote:

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Yeah well... In Santa Cruz, do like the locals do.
Women that dress like they just walked out of Saks 6th Avenue look out-of=place too Jack@$$.
The world around you is not going to conform to your wishes so just forking learn to live with it or move the fork on, or back to whatever hole you crawled out of.

BWAAAA HAAAAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Did you learn that at Harvard, Einstein?

Donny B

Fairfax, VA

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DBS wrote:

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No thanks, I don't want any fries with that.

DBS... I think "TrollOnARoll" should be renamed to "PimpleOnAGnat".

Donny B

Fairfax, VA

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Becky Johnson wrote:

XANTHIPPE WRITES: "I'd like to point out (yet again) that many of the people complaining about poor behavior downtown are not complaining about the homeless.
Who can really tell which people have homes and which don't? I can't. I don't know whether it's homeless people or not who hassle me, but I do know that they are useless parasitic bums."
BECKY: So would it surprise you if you found that most of the unwashed, unshaved, tattered, unemployed people, who have bedrolls and backpacks next to them, and who sit on sidewalks for hours at time are homeless?
XANTHIPPE WRITES: I can't help it if people like BJ and loweroceanlocal read the above and assume I'm talking about homeless people - I'm not. I'm not anti-homeless. I'm anti-useless parasitic bums."
BECKY: If you had any understanding of the sheer physical challenge it takes to survive if you are homeless in Santa Cruz, you wouldn't be quibbling about "behavior" when the "behavior" is asking for food with a sign after dark.
XANTHIPPE WRITES: Both BJ and loweroceanlocal are trying to frame this issue as anti-homeless. It's not. It's about being against the antisocial creeps who infest our community, and who both BJ and loweroceanlocal end up being apologists for when they take this tact."
BECKY: Did you know that over HALF of our homeless population (52%) gets no government services at all? That means half of them have zero income other than what they can get for themselves. If you don't have a job, can't sell crafts because to do that you need a $135/yr business license, then your only option becomes begging.
see: SOURCES OF INCOME page 39 found at: http://www.appliedsurveyresearch.org/projects...
Your claim that you are "not anti-homeless" while you support laws which criminalize sleeping at night, criminalize covering up with a blanket with which to keep warm, criminalize begging within 50' of a change machine, 14' from a building, and at all at night! Which criminalize begging within 10' feet of a statue (that is FOR SALE on public property!!) You call those people "bums" and then tell us you are not "anti-homeless?"

As usual, BJ hasn't "read" Xanthippe's post not does she understand the point Xanthippe is making. BJ is only concerned about her spin.

“where it all comes together”

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Santa Cruz, California

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Becky Johnson wrote:

DBS WRITES: "A merchant doesn't block my path on the sidewalk, and decide he's entitled to my earnings."
BECKY: I seriously doubt a panhandler "blocked your path". That is illegal under a separate ordinance. YOUR ire is against LEGAL panhandlers who have the audacity to ask you for help.

The only people who block my path are the ones that want to know if I "have a minute for the environment".

“where it all comes together”

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I can be walking up the street carrying four bags of groceries and they will stand right in front of me expecting me to put the bags down and sign their petition, or whatever they're doing.

And then there are those FAMILIES who see me, with four bags of groceries, use the disabled door opener and knock me out of the way as they race through the open door.

“where it all comes together”

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Santa Cruz, California

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Blake wrote:

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It's a good thing they didn't do that the day you had that cough and the diarrhea. There would have been a mess all over the sidewalk.

Whatever I have done or haven't done, I don't spend my time ridiculing the sick and unfortunate.

“where it all comes together”

Since: Apr 08

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Santa Cruz, California

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In the world I was raised in, that was about the most offensive, socially unacceptable thing one could do.

DBS

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Becky Johnson wrote:

DBS WRITES: "A merchant doesn't block my path on the sidewalk, and decide he's entitled to my earnings."
BECKY: I seriously doubt a panhandler "blocked your path". That is illegal under a separate ordinance. YOUR ire is against LEGAL panhandlers who have the audacity to ask you for help.

Wrong as usual you lardass!!
I avoid going downtown, because of the number of incidents where I have had one of your parasites step in front of me and demand that I give them money.
Of course it's illegal under the City ordinances, especially after dark. But it happens anyway.
Smoking meth is illegal too. Does that mean it never happens in Santa Cruz?
What do I have to do? Act like the town crackpot does and carry a video camera everywhere?
It's a waste of time, because you've already decided that what I've experienced firsthand didn't happen.
Tell us my chubsie wubsie penpal, how did you get sooooo powerful, that you can impose your retroactive denial on my experiences, that you did not witness.
It's amazing how you can re-write my personal history

DBS

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Becky Johnson wrote:

DBS WRITES: "A merchant doesn't curse me out, or spit in my direction if I ignore his extortion demands."
BECKY: You have no idea what a merchant thinks of you if you walk into his store and leave without buying anything. I suspect that the panhandlers who "curse" you and spit in your direction, do so right after you called them "parasitic bums."

How could I have called them A "parasitic bum", If I ignored them?????

Duhhhhh. You really don't connect the dots like a normal person.

Even someone who's "farther ahead academically" than a Constitutional Law scholar(with a J.D.) could figure THAT one out.

Becky Johnson

“Pearls before swine”

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Santa Cruz, CA.

ISP: Santa Cruz, CA

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WREN WRITES: "And that is something we all know will never happen again. They probably regret running an "article" written by you. They have since seen the kind of person you are and will never publish another written word by you."

BECKY: Yes. That's what I said. I said they will never publish another article by me. But the reason that they won't is because they have seen that I support Israel. They don't. They are officially an Israel-bashing site. They do not want to give me any more credence.

DBS

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Becky Johnson wrote:

Have FAT PEOPLE ever cursed in your direction or tried to spit on you as well?

Yes.

In the parking lot of the Safeway on Morrisey.

One of your beloved bums was trying to intimidate a middle-aged woman into giving him her money. He crossed the line between begging and bullying. After she told him no, he stepped towards her in a very aggressive manner, and said "C'mon lady, I know you can afford it"
I told him to "back off, and leave her alone", and he started to curse me out. I told him he was "too fat to be starving"

I wound up chasing him out of the parking lot with the "club lock" bar for my steering wheel. Unfortunately I was wearing heavy steel-toe work boots, so I couldn't catch him.

DBS

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TrollOnARoll wrote:

PS... I split a cord of wood today.
What did YOU do besides get older, stupider, and fatter?

Richer.

DBS