The policeman is our friend - sometimes

power wrote:

Marci: You relate abuse of power, are you referring to the officers abuse of power, or Mr O'Neill's abuse of power? The residents of Paradise are quite aware of abuse of power.The previous blogger (Another CHP victim) gave quite an interesting & explanatory description. What is puzzling to me is our children who ride school busses are not restrained by seat belts. Now figure that out.

I've always wondered about that. If anyone would need seat belts it seems the school bus would. But then I would guess the driver would have to "police" the kids to stay buckled instead of concentrating on the driving. I've never had a ticket in Paradise (lived here 15 yrs) but friends of mine have had a situation where abuse was administered (broken arm during a bogus arrest) and they are sueing. Mr. O'neil was not wearing his seat belt.. he got a ticket. I don't see how the officer in this case was wrong as he was doing his job.

Mr Williams, I would also think that when dealing with citizens the police could be aware of not what they say but also the manner in the way they say it. It's a double sword.

Warning wrote:

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CHP officers are not paid to "give warnings". They are paid to site people for not obeying the rules of the road..........

I've received a warning from a CHP officer,,, actually three now that i think abut it. It's Not uncommon for them to warn someone about something they've pulled that person over for.

Mr. O'Neill:
Your articulation of compassion for other human beings is some how drowned by your superiority tendencies. Why take your single situation so personally? Walk in the shoes of a public service officer and see the daily insults they endure. I've seen them spit on and threatened bodily harm. You were incorrect to move the vehicle any distance at all without your seat belt and others in the car fastened and you were caught. So what? Learn what you can do to be a 'better' human being and stop the degrading of another. And to think your bumper sticker has so much to do with it is a bit out of focus also. I wish you peace and safety. Namaste'

All is Gossip wrote:

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LOL Gossip is the name of the game on these blogs. Most of what I read regarding police and behaviors is gossip. No one has the facts they just come up with conjecture and opinion based on what they think they know.

So are you implying "All is Gossip", That anyone who voices their expierence(s) bad OR good with police and their 'behaviors', that they are all just gossiping? They maybe gossiping, but some of their stories are very true to life. And some without the wool over our eyes Know this, and the others,, well they just don't believe what they do not see.
You can't always wrap things up with a little 'saying' and think it's ok, and there are no truths' to them at all.

How long will you look on and not see the point?
The lack of professionalism in performing their
jobs and lack of social skills to deal effectively
with the public. The manner in which the officer
conducted himself as a paid public servant was
inappropriate no matter how you look at it. And
furthermore, police officers are and should be
held to a higher standard by virtue of their
position. There is no excuse for malicious
treatment of citizens and flagrant misuse of power
by these so called "peace officers". The problem
is they have no controls to keep them in line.

Marci McIntire wrote:

Your article would have carried the point without the mention of the Obama stickers.
You felt the ticket was't justified. Isn't that the point of the article.
You used your position with the paper to drive the point home, shame on you. You should have gone to his supervisor.
This is a classic example of abuse of power.

No Marie. Because going to his super would do absolutley NOTHING. Who's to say he didn't or hasn't anyways? I called the super of a CHP i saw going 50-60mph up the turn lane in front of Discount Market in magalia, with no lights/sirens to warn other motorists ( i was walking up the road after walkinging my kids to school). I talked to his super, and he called me back about 3 hrs later after talking with said officer. He told me his officer was chasing down a seatbelt violator. Then he put that officer on the phone, and the officer smuggly stated that it had been him a saw that morning, and he'd done the same thing at least 6 other times after that, that morning. That officer got no disapline, hell they probabley laughed together after the phone call! & yet he, the one who's to protect & serve, ENDANGERED myself, and about 8 other car loads of people that morning. And that's only the ones i saw, does not include his other 6+ he admitted to doing the same way that day.
No. Calling his super would do nothing. His writing of this article on the other hand, HAS. It's brought it to the publics attention. Some choose not to see, but thats not to say all are blind.

power wrote:
Marci: You relate abuse of power, are you referring to the officers abuse of power, or Mr O'Neill's abuse of power? The residents of Paradise are quite aware of abuse of power.The previous blogger (Another CHP victim) gave quite an interesting & explanatory description. What is puzzling to me is our children who ride school busses are not restrained by seat belts. Now figure that out.

I never let my kids ride the bus, just for that reason. I can have my children taken from me for neglect or some other discriptive they'd plop in there, for not making my children restain themselves with their belts in my car. Yet, lets throw 30+ of um on a bus with a PUBLIC EMPLOYEE driving, and let um go where ever.
It's rediculous to say the least. Then they think they have the 'right' to ticket an adult in his own car, for what?! Not wearing a seat belt. he wsa endangering himself. They endanger 30+ kids/ times how buses perday/ TWICE a day, EVERY school day, and there is no reprimand.

Sybal Henderson wrote:

Mr. O'Neill:
Your articulation of compassion for other human beings is some how drowned by your superiority tendencies. Why take your single situation so personally? Walk in the shoes of a public service officer and see the daily insults they endure. I've seen them spit on and threatened bodily harm. You were incorrect to move the vehicle any distance at all without your seat belt and others in the car fastened and you were caught. So what? Learn what you can do to be a 'better' human being and stop the degrading of another. And to think your bumper sticker has so much to do with it is a bit out of focus also. I wish you peace and safety. Namaste'

The only difference there is Sybal, that those officer then arrested these said visious people, charging them with assult & battery for the spittle, and criminal terrorist threats. Making them pay exorbinant fines for there misdeeds. If the officer commits some abuse on the citizen, he gets a paid vacation while the I.A. is done. & thats IT.

That is the problem with the system.

vicious* excuse me

A Good Dog wrote:

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The only difference there is Sybal, that those officer then arrested these said visious people, charging them with assult & battery for the spittle, and criminal terrorist threats. Making them pay exorbinant fines for there misdeeds. If the officer commits some abuse on the citizen, he gets a paid vacation while the I.A. is done. & thats IT.
That is the problem with the system.

So now you are accusing the police of "criminal terrorist threats"???? Those are pretty strong accusations. Give me a break.

Thank you to "No Control" for getting the simple point I was trying to make. Yeah, I didn't like getting a ticket. Yeah, I was guilty, technically. But my only point was that there was no need nor excuse for the rudeness and the attitude. It seems like a lot of people in this community feel that if a person breaks the law, no matter how minor, then authority figures can treat them any way they please. I don't think they'd believe that, however, if they were the ones on the receiving end of the attitude.
And, if there's a CHP officer doing high speed chases to catch seat belt violators, thus endangering pedestrians, well, I'd say that was worthy of complaint even from the utterly submissive citizens of this ridge.

Jaime ONeill wrote:

Thank you to "No Control" for getting the simple point I was trying to make. Yeah, I didn't like getting a ticket. Yeah, I was guilty, technically. But my only point was that there was no need nor excuse for the rudeness and the attitude. It seems like a lot of people in this community feel that if a person breaks the law, no matter how minor, then authority figures can treat them any way they please. I don't think they'd believe that, however, if they were the ones on the receiving end of the attitude.
And, if there's a CHP officer doing high speed chases to catch seat belt violators, thus endangering pedestrians, well, I'd say that was worthy of complaint even from the utterly submissive citizens of this ridge.

Welcome to Concerned Citizens of Paradise (CCOP), Jaime. That is what the members deal with, called whiners, really bad names, attacks on gender and more just for stating the fact that we expect better behavior from officers toward the citizens. We feel being cussed at by police officers is unacceptable from those sworn to protect and serve. The CCOP does want some accountability from those who wear a badge and misuse or demean the profession. I could go on, but this will bring a big bunch of CCOP haters on the site. So, here we go again, another round!

Jaime ONeill wrote:

Thank you to "No Control" for getting the simple point I was trying to make. Yeah, I didn't like getting a ticket. Yeah, I was guilty, technically. But my only point was that there was no need nor excuse for the rudeness and the attitude. It seems like a lot of people in this community feel that if a person breaks the law, no matter how minor, then authority figures can treat them any way they please. I don't think they'd believe that, however, if they were the ones on the receiving end of the attitude.
And, if there's a CHP officer doing high speed chases to catch seat belt violators, thus endangering pedestrians, well, I'd say that was worthy of complaint even from the utterly submissive citizens of this ridge.

Your
observations are absolutely accurate. Most of the
BIASED BLOGGERS favoring police have never
experienced mistreatment by THEM. It's easy for
them to come on as though they are the picture of
innocence and are so superior to other citizens
who have had any degree of slip up of the law.
They will maximize the citizen's offense and
minimize the officer's by condemning the CRIMINAL
conduct of the citizen and at the same time
praising the INAPPROPRIATE actions of the officer. It's guilt by comparison and PREJUDICE.

I don't have a axe to grind as you would say, someone needs to stand up for what is right, and if I have to be the one then so be it. Everything I said was true and accurate. Did I hit a little too close to home? Shame on you for sticking up for people in the wrong.

Paradise Gal wrote:

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Welcome to Concerned Citizens of Paradise (CCOP), Jaime. That is what the members deal with, called whiners, really bad names, attacks on gender and more just for stating the fact that we expect better behavior from officers toward the citizens. We feel being cussed at by police officers is unacceptable from those sworn to protect and serve. The CCOP does want some accountability from those who wear a badge and misuse or demean the profession. I could go on, but this will bring a big bunch of CCOP haters on the site. So, here we go again, another round!

Since the start of CCOP's existence the
group has been the target of much ridicule and
false accusation. What is so ironic is that much
of that has come from the very community the CCOP
has endeavored to protect. If they could get
their hands on it's founder it would be death by
stoning. Fortunately, thanks to the press, that
will not be realized. Hail to the Paradise Post!

Jaime ONeill wrote:

Thank you to "No Control" for getting the simple point I was trying to make. Yeah, I didn't like getting a ticket. Yeah, I was guilty, technically. But my only point was that there was no need nor excuse for the rudeness and the attitude. It seems like a lot of people in this community feel that if a person breaks the law, no matter how minor, then authority figures can treat them any way they please. I don't think they'd believe that, however, if they were the ones on the receiving end of the attitude.
And, if there's a CHP officer doing high speed chases to catch seat belt violators, thus endangering pedestrians, well, I'd say that was worthy of complaint even from the utterly submissive citizens of this ridge.

Its called being professional and moving on to be available for the next ticket, emergency or what ever the case may be. Doing the job he is paid to do.

still wrong wrote:

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Its called being professional and moving on to be available for the next ticket, emergency or what ever the case may be. Doing the job he is paid to do.

Agree with you that the "officer" is
still wrong for misusing his authority to mistreat citizens. That is not professionalism
by a long shot. And if he were doing the job he
is paid to do the article would have never been
written in the first place. That is an oxymoron
to imply wrongdoing on the part of Mr ONeill but
ignore the obvious wrong of the officer. You must
be in law enforcement or related to THEM.

Say what wrote:

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So now you are accusing the police of "criminal terrorist threats"???? Those are pretty strong accusations. Give me a break.

Geez. Reread that post there buddy. I SAID, the police could then charge THE PERSON THAT SPIT ON THEM AND THREATENED THEM with, assult & battery & terrorist criminal threats. I did not say THEY were the one being charged with it.
Try putting on your glasses before reading anything more.

Jaime ONeill wrote:

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And, if there's a CHP officer doing high speed chases to catch seat belt violators, thus endangering pedestrians, well, I'd say that was worthy of complaint even from the utterly submissive citizens of this ridge.

Thank you Jamie. But i guess the officers supervisor didn't see the problem with it. My sisterinlaw was killed during a highspeed pusrsuit. That time they justified it by saying the guy was a threat to citizens,,, but how can they justify this officers lack of judgement for doing this for a seatbelt violator?? I just don't get it. I complained, and they did nothing. They just backerd the officer and then the officer himself justified it by saying he'd done the same 6+ more times that same day.like that makes it right or ok to do.
It doesn't matter what we say as the tax paying citizen. In their eyes, and so many others', they have the right to do whatever they want, whenever they want, However they want and for whatever ridiculous reason(s), & we should just deal with it because in their eyes, they're 'just doing their job'.