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Neil in WA
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Christian wrote: God rejects as sinful all forms of sexual behavior, both homosexual and heterosexual, that take place outside of marriage between a man and a woman. Jesus condemned sexual sins strongly when he demanded that “if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away.” Yet, when faced with a woman caught in adultery, Jesus did not condemn her, but said,“Go, and sin no more”(John 8:10-11). Similarly,God's attitude toward individuals caught up in sin is embracing and compassionate. He trusts that, guided by conscience, we will take responsibility for our actions, and knows that we can grow in no other way.
A word on social practice is necessary. Although homosexual persons have offered much to the world, society has maligned and mistreated those who acted upon same-sex attractions, while being much more lenient with heterosexual sin. Such hypocrisy is tragic. Moral standards should be clear, applied fairly and supported through a healthy, family-friendly culture. And before judging others, we should examine ourselves. Renewal in others comes best through our own sacrificial love and living testimony to the truth. Thank you Christian for running and looking in the index of your bible how you are supposed to feel about human sexuality! Now that you are done with that nonsense, supposedly reading God's words, how about discerning what is right and wrong based upon universal laws? In other words, when it comes to human sexuality, where do you get off passing judgment based upon the words of others? Isn't this like morality hearsay?? Can't you make a decision in your mind what you think is right and wrong without religion or the bible? Human sexuality is like a rainbow, why is it up to religion, the bible, a god figure, or even you to say which aspect of sexuality is right or wrong? How arrogant of you to even insinuate there is a definitive moral compass for sexuality, and that you have the guiding light to say who is good and evil!
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given the state of the economy, the banking system, the housing market, the geopolotical strife around the world. This is so unimportant as to be ludicrous. Who cares if this guy likes to have with other men, who gives a rats **** . we need to focus on much more meaningful things then this. these guys need to stop drawing attention to themselves.
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Neil in WA wrote: <quoted text>
Thank you Christian for running and looking in the index of your bible how you are supposed to feel about human sexuality! Now that you are done with that nonsense, supposedly reading God's words, how about discerning what is right and wrong based upon universal laws? In other words, when it comes to human sexuality, where do you get off passing judgment based upon the words of others? Isn't this like morality hearsay?? Can't you make a decision in your mind what you think is right and wrong without religion or the bible? Human sexuality is like a rainbow, why is it up to religion, the bible, a god figure, or even you to say which aspect of sexuality is right or wrong? How arrogant of you to even insinuate there is a definitive moral compass for sexuality, and that you have the guiding light to say who is good and evil! The scriptures of the Bible are what they are. They are not open to change just to justify personal conduct by you or me. They are what the Christian Churches base their faith upon. There are the Ten Commandments, and many examples of Gods & Jesus instructions to mankind. This is the Holy Book they base their religious beliefs and reason for existence upon. It is not open for a re-write by the liar, the thief, the adultery, or the murderer any more than it is for the homosexual to justify their personal conduct. Many homosexuals are presenting a false doctrine of misguided Christian beliefs in an appearance of virtue to justify what the very basis of Christianity strongly speaks against. They are simply remodeling Christianity to fit today’s moral permissiveness in our society. If a Christian Church or Church leader opens itself or themselves to condone such sexual desires or moral code, and such is contrary to the teachings upon which it places its roots, it and they no longer have their roots in Christianity. It is your choice, if you wish to reject Christianity because of your personal desire to live your life based around a moral code of perverted sexual desires. It is also a Christian’s right to reject your lifestyle based upon their beliefs.
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Joined: May 9, 2008
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That is quite a mouth full to justify gay ministers. It might make some type of sense to you but not to most Christians.
Within the Christian Bible it speaks about sodomy.
'Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.'
'Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.'
'Deut 23:17-18 There shall be no **** of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. Thou shalt not bring the hire of a ****, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.'
Abomination.
Extreme disgust and hatred: Loathing.
If a Christian Church accepts or condones a known or practicing homosexual as their leader it is hypocrisy at its greatest.
The very Holy Book they base their religious beliefs and reason for existence upon condones the personal acts of the very person they knowingly elect to lead their Church.
They present a false doctrine of misguided Christian beliefs in an appearance of virtue to justify what the very basis of Christianity strongly speaks against
They are simply remodeling Christianity to fit today’s permissiveness in our society.
If a Christian Church opens itself to condone such sexual desires or moral code, and such is contrary to the teachings upon which it places its roots, it no longer has its roots in Christianity. Please go back and read those Leviticus passages in Greek and/or Hebrew. You will find that they have been horribly mistranslated over the centuries. And the Deuteronomy passages have nothing to do with gay sex. Just prostitution, promiscuity, rape, and general inhospitality. "Sodomy" does not refer to gay sex, and was never used to mean such until the late middle ages. I don't have time to go into the details here, so if you want more, I suggest you read "Jesus, The Bible, & Homosexuality" by Jack Rogers, a prominant theologian and author who used to oppose gay equality in the churches. Link to Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Bible-Homosexuali... ) He presents an excellent discussion on all these topics. In Christ, ~Warren
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Opinion wrote: <quoted text>
Within the Christian Bible it speaks about sodomy.
'Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.'
'Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.'
'Deut 23:17-18 There shall be no **** of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. Thou shalt not bring the hire of a ****, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.' Again... Leviticus also says that wearing clothing of mixed fibers, eating shellfish, doing anything on the sabbath day other than worshiping, anything made of leather, and anullments or marriages are all "abominations" which most people tend to ignore. It also states that slavery is perfectly acceptable and is important to the family values!!!! So explain to me why Leviticus is right again????
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Fujon
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Neil in WA wrote: <quoted text>
Thank you Christian for running and looking in the index of your bible how you are supposed to feel about human sexuality! Now that you are done with that nonsense, supposedly reading God's words, how about discerning what is right and wrong based upon universal laws? In other words, when it comes to human sexuality, where do you get off passing judgment based upon the words of others? Isn't this like morality hearsay?? Can't you make a decision in your mind what you think is right and wrong without religion or the bible? Human sexuality is like a rainbow, why is it up to religion, the bible, a god figure, or even you to say which aspect of sexuality is right or wrong? How arrogant of you to even insinuate there is a definitive moral compass for sexuality, and that you have the guiding light to say who is good and evil! http://www.bible.ca/s -****=sin.htm Without referring to the Bible I still think you guys are a bunch of sexual perverts and genetic misfits. Although most of you would like to list “Gays” as something separate and apart from pedophiles for the most part you guys are all just different degrees of the same perverted sexual orientation. You can throw into the mix those who have sex with the dead, sex with animals.
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“Christian, Gay, Libertarian”
Joined: Apr 29, 2008
Patchogue, Long Island
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I'm a Christian. Do i believe that the Bible is literally true ? ABSOLUTELY NOT ! Jesus sometimes spoke in parables. A parable is "an earthly story with a heavenly meaning". So obviously the parables that Jesus told were not literally true but had a deepr meaning within them. Does this make Jesus a liar ? ABSOLUTELY NOT ! So since obviously not everything in the bible is literally true, focus on the meaning of the larger picture that it is teaching. Remember what Jesus said about the Pharisees..... who kepth "The Law" strictly and literally but ignored the deeper meaning. signed: A CHRISTIAN, GAY, LIBERTARIAN, VEGETARIAN, ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST, BEER DRINKER, TATOOED AVERAGE AMERICAN, Daniel P. PEACE !:)
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“Christian, Gay, Libertarian”
Joined: Apr 29, 2008
Patchogue, Long Island
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(P.S. Sorry for the misspellings [I'm very fussy about correct spelling], but I have had many beers and am still in the process of polishing off the rest.)
PEACE !:)
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motleycrew
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confused wrote: I'm confused, isnt a bishop like a priest and takes a vow of celebcy? if so how does the gay part fit in? please someone explain this to me. Episcopal/Anglican priests and bishops are free to marry and have children. Only priests who are monks or nuns take vows of celibacy.
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