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Judge it!Today my nephew attempted to deliver a letter to Sally Kern but was stopped by a highway patrol man. With his permission I am distributing the letter to all news stations and thought I would include it here.
Maybe we can all stand to learn a listen from this smart, loving, young man. He more than most has reason to hate. He lost his mother, my sister, in the Murrah Building bombing.
I am doing this in two parts because of how long it is.
Rep Kern:
On April 19, 1995, in Oklahoma City a terrorist detonated a bomb that killed my mother and 167 others. 19 children died that day. Had I not had the chicken pox that day, the body count would've likely have included one more. Over 800 other Oklahomans were injured that day and many of those still suffer through their permanent wounds.
That terrorist was neither a homosexual or was he involved in Islam. He was an extremist Christian forcing his views through a body count. He held his beliefs and made those who didn't live up to them pay with their lives.
As you were not a resident of Oklahoma on that day, it could be explained why you so carelessly chose words saying that the homosexual agenda is worst than terrorism. I can most certainly tell you through my own experience that is not true. I am sure there are many people in your voting district that laid a loved one to death after the terrorist attack on Oklahoma City. I kind of doubt you'll find one of them that will agree with you.
I was five years old when my mother died. I remember what a beautiful, wise, and remarkable woman she was. I miss her. Your harsh words and misguided beliefs brought me to tears, because you told me that my mother's killer was a better person than a group of people that are seeking safety and tolerance for themselves.
As someone left motherless and victimized by terrorists, I say to you very clearly you are absolutely wrong.
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- Posted in the News 9 Oklahoma City Forum
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Elizabeth, please contact me at rob@cimarronalliance.org Several news media would like to interview Tucker
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RKS, what a wonderful, coherent post.
Thank you. I want to ask you something. YOU SAID: "Rep. Kern is well within her rights, especially considering that she did not even mean to publicize her comments." My understanding is that she spoke at a public political venue, and THAT is where it gets sticky. Do you not agree that an elected official of her stature is out of line when her voicing her personal opinion re: the so-called "lifestyle" of some of her constituents puts those constituents at a higher risk of physical assault? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that ignorant, uneducated hicks and thugs jump at the opportunity to validate the projected rage in their life they direct at gay people? |
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And RKS, a follow up, which has been mentioned before...
What if Ms. Kern said that Jews live an "unacceptable lifestyle" that threatens the American family because they reject Jesus Christ as the literal son of God? Would THAT be acceptable for this public servant to voice in a public forum? |
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okay.. okay.. I want all the bible quoters and thumpers to pull out your "Heaven Tickets"...
you know.. that ticket that puts you closer to god by quoting the human translation of "HIS WORD" ... when you find it, look at the number.... has it changed? Have all the quotations put you in the HOV lane to Heaven? The Floor Seats? The VIP LIST? And how, exactly did he "call" you to spread this word? T-Mobile? Text Message? Facebook? Keep your church out of my bedroom and I promise to keep my bedroom out of your church. I have better curtains anyway... Church curtains tend to be sheer and if you look close enough, you see Priests taking advantage of young boys, people cheating on their spouses with someone from the choir and people within the congregation spreading vicious gossip about each other every sunday. When you cast that first stone, make sure you throw it at your own glass house ..... HYPOCRITES.. |
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And yes I know it's byproducts, I just couldn't resist the joke.
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Joined: Mar 11, 2008 Comments: 17 |
I don't deny that homosexuals aren't law abiding citizens or that they are nice or better than some of their heterosexual counter parts, however, the act of homosexuality is damaging to a nation (again there are other things out there that are immediate and equally more devastating), but because the immediate impacts aren't felt we thing it's ok. You mention global warming, when the first steam engine was built, it was a revolutionary development. what do you think the consequences would be if someone mentioned anything about global warming back then, but more than half a century later, we are paying for it. And I guess it's ok to allow pornography in the class room cause that too will create a safer channel for heterosexuals and homosexuals alike, right? Then why not make it widely acceptable for a man to have more than one wife and then the companies will suffer because they have to pay for the wives benefits as well. The point is, if homosexuals get civil rights to marry to start "families" what is to stop other groups that practice polyamory for example to seek the same level of political recognition? I don't think that would be politically smart. |
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"When you cast that first stone, make sure you throw it at your own glass house ....."
RESPONSE: Neil, interesting story... For years, my friend's father, very involved in the Catholic Church, has made no secret of the fact he hates gays (of course, he would never use the word "hate"). Recently, my friend emailed me, telling me she has a sister, about whom she never knew - a 46 year old elementary school teacher...the illegitimate daughter of my friend's father...turns out, before he was married he had sex and got a woman pregnant, keeping it all hush, hush with the family he subsequently built... My reaction: "What a relief. For years he's condemned me, in his Catholic peity, and now I find out that he was having pre-marital sex, judging me all the while, and *I'm* the immoral one in his Catholic eyes? I feel somewhat validated." Turns out, my expressing this to my friend was enough for her to say, "Don't judge my father!" I find the whole situation ironic. |
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I CORRECT MYSELF: piety
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It's no doubt that Levitical laws were written with cleanliness and societal stability in mind, but a great deal of things have changed since then. Pork and shellfish had a much higher potential of carrying disease until we developed methods of treating it. But it's fine now. You can certainly use the books as a general guide for some things, but that's only if you ignore the vast majority. Things involving treatment of slaves, forbidding menstruating women to sleep in your bed (again, which could spread disease at the time, emphasis on "at the time"), and a ton of other things that just no longer apply to life. If you really want to keep to the old laws, you'd better not shave, for one thing. Ever. Blind or lame people, or those with flat noses, are forbidden from approaching the altar. Keep those wheelchair sitters out of God's house! Also, it's a given law that you must kill those who suggest the worshiping of another god. The laws are old, no longer valid, and on top of that, overturned by Jesus, who did so very vocally on multiple occasions. There are some that still apply, but those tend to be simple common sense. Don't kill people, don't steal, don't cheat on your spouse, be -nice- to each other, etc. |
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(Sorry for the delay, just got back from work.) I mean non-biased records at the time of Jesus' life. Anyone can write literature after a person is deceased and claim just about anything. There are plenty of tall tales involving Washington, but if you want to know which ones are actually based in fact, you would consult records from the time. Maybe there was a report to the local authorities about the Washington kid chopping down a neighbor's cherry tree. There are countless stories written about that, but now that you have solid evidence, you can be sure he really did that. And likewise, even though recordkeeping standards were far less tight 2000 years ago, and it's nearly impossible to validate many things from that age, there remain a few records of the passing of Jesus of Nazareth and a bunch of guys he was traveling with. Mostly from inns and the such. And if I'm not mistaken, there remain some mentions of his crucifixion in ancient court records. So at least the records indicate that he and his followers lived at the time, visited many of the places written about in the gospels, and that he was executed. |
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A little humor for everybody, cause I figure we all need it. Besides, Wanda pretty much covers all the bases with this one.:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch... |
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Seems to me like everyone is trying to make Tucker into the posterboy over this issue with Rep. Kern. Has anyone asked him how he felt about it? If he just wants to get his letter to her, I am certain that is mission accomplished. Let's also remember it is the aunt posting it here in a local room and then it became a international sensation.
It is a great letter and I think putting Tucker against Sally (love against hate/good against evil/progression against stagnation/good hair against bad hair) would be a coup, but it needs to be on Tucker's terms. |
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Get a life people , Go one with your own and get over it .
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dont believe in Godw Word do you brian? much less have any concept of the Power of God! |
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For one thing God desires all men to come to him but if it isnt their choice that is their problem. He sent His Son down so we would have a choice and a way to Him. However God doesnt condone two men or two women having sex together. that corrupts all mankind. its like a cancer and is a slow killer just ask any aids victims. And please dont give me that aids started in africa with them eating monkeys, maybe it did but it spreads unquestionable faster through the gay community, much faster then tthrough the heterosexual population. as far as a moral issue it isnt anything to do with morality whether or not people believe in Jesus, but it does however have everything to do with morality if one man or one woman is having sex with another. nature tells you that it just isnt going to work, God really doesnt need to tell an wisdom seeking bible studying person what is right or wrong. you either believe Gods Word or you dont its that simple! |
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Ironic that you would take the time to come in here and tell people to get a life and get over it. You obviously haven't. *rolls eyes* |
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You're getting the wrong idea here- all I'm saying is that every holy book is certain to claim that everything in it is true and irrefutable. I'm of the opinion that the things that Jesus taught are the cornerstone of any working society, and that if followed well, is certain to bring about the good he was trying to spread. Loving thy neighbor, lending help to those in need, building a strong community, etc. But of course, the books of the bible were written by men, who as we all know, are far from perfect. I fully accept the contents of the four gospels, as they deal closely with Jesus' life and teachings, and match up with many records that still exist, but some of the later books are written by later Christians who never met Jesus, and often contradicted his teachings in what they said. Finally, the books that make up the current bible were assembled by Pope Damascus at the Council of Rome a good 300 years after Christ's death, around the time the Emperor decided to mark Christianity as the state religion under its own church. There was an enormous amount of human tampering with the collected bible before that time, and after reading them all, I don't quite agree with some. As a rule, I just stick to the 4 gospels as being the purest and most solid books of the bible, and am always sure to do a bit of research on the how and why of the other books that were written before gulping down every word. Is that a bit more clear? |
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Joined: Nov 16, 2007 Comments: 153 |
Ben, these message forums aren't based in Oklahoma. They're part of a national website named Topix. Here's a brief description of the website from their "about us" page. From reading this, I don't believe News9.com or anybody in Oklahoma has a say in what words are permitted or not permitted to be posted in the forums.
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Nice try, except the problem here is that she's stating her opinions as facts, and they're actually false. Also, her "opinions" are laced with vitriol and ignorance which highlights a prejudice in her capacity for judgment -- thus, she should be relieved of her position in public office. She may indeed be stating what "many other Christians believe", but if she's incapable of separating Church and State, then that means she's unqualified to do her job. |
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To start with. Gay is NOT A LIFESTYLE. That's like saying the Black lifestyle or Jewish lifestyle. Is it so hard for you people to realise that not all gay people are the same?
If it were a choice... Why would any person choose to be gay bashed verbally and/or physically? Denied their rights? Treated like a 'disease' or 'cancer.' I am friends with a lot of gay boys. They are ALL so sweet and wonderful. It hurts me to see ignorant people like Sally Kern treating them like this. |
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