Presidential politics fail to create a rift

No, don't con us with your con con. Our constitution should stand on its own without manipulation every decade or so. Obama will be president. He is a good man. But there are few good men or women among the low life loser Democratic party in Hawaii. You are to this state what the national Republican party are to the nation. Manipulative self serving prostitutes.

See, you give a little, you give a little. It all works out and life is fair.

Make luv, not politics.

One of the concerns about the Con Con as it stands now is that political office holders like the Lieutenant Governor or ex office holders like Ed Case want to grab the issue for their own political betterment. That is not what a Constitutional Convention is about. Keep the kingdom-building out of the decision-making on Con Con.

I believe those pushing for a Con Con have only their own self- interests in mind. A Con Con should not be used as a vehicle to launch political careers.

Senator Obama is a classy gentleman who is treating Senator Clinton the way his (white) mother raised him to treat everyone--positively. BUT the Clinton campaign response to his generous gesture has been despicable. Note that Senator Clinton had SLAMMED him for his bitter remarks for weeks, twisted the knife in further with the Wright affair, and so on. She runs a vindictive, malicious, win-at-any-cost, scorched-earth, divisive, smear, fear-mongering, lying, morally and fudiciary corrupt campaign. She does NOT deserve our support. The Democratic Party elders and super-delegates should understand why they MUST step in now to end the race. The Clintons have successfully incited their supporters and divided the party and nation into hate-Obama and hate-Clinton factions. Hillary's negative polls must be somewhere close to Bush's--she is clearly not electable. But she is rapidly making Obama perhaps not electable either--what with all the s**t she is throwing at him--the race and gender accusations, the fear-mongering, the assassination threat (to be read as not-so-hidden appeal to someone's evil side), etc. Lady Hillary Macbeth must be led out of the stage before blood runs on her hands. It may even now be too late.

Joke or not... this is sad.

"The offer by the children of two of Hawaii's oldest warring political families to run for governor and lieutenant governor on a unity ticket tells the story"... of how old party leadership continues to dominate Hawaii's democrat party.

We should be concerned.

I am embarrassed everytime Abercrombie opens his mouth. What a disaster if he is voted into any office during the upcoming elections.

I hope Abercrombie runs for Gov. Duke will crush him and we will finally get him out of Congress.

The ghost of Ron Menor will haunt this party and their refusal to censor him after he pleaded no contest to drunk driving charges after fabricating many lies to deny the charges.

Hanabusa supports Menor, as does Abercrombie, even though he is a convicted by admitance liar.

As in Washington, here in Hawaii it's time for change too. Look what these low lifes did to their own party candidate Ed Case. They through their upport behind Mazie Hirono who had hid from responsibility during her eight year term as Lt. Governor.

We need change here in Hawaii as much as change is happening in Washington.

I for one support Democrat Obama in Washington, but seeing the Democrat arrogance and inability to even make crosswalks safe, but want to tether us to eighty year old judges, I have to support the republicans here in Hawaii.

alden wrote:

One of the concerns about the Con Con as it stands now is that political office holders like the Lieutenant Governor or ex office holders like Ed Case want to grab the issue for their own political betterment. That is not what a Constitutional Convention is about. Keep the kingdom-building out of the decision-making on Con Con.

Ditto! A lot of politicians used the Con Con for their own political betterment. Leave the constitution alone already. You play with something and then you run the risk of a legal challenge that messes up things further. Don't try and fool the public by using the Con Con for your own agenda. Wasting money when we need to spend wisely.

Once again, Ed Case demonstrated why he was not supported - it had nothing to do with "pecking order" - it had to do with his votes for renewal of the Patriot Act, Shrub's tax cuts, votes for growth of the Iraq War. He didn't even try to become a delegate, but got Della to try his work for him. It wasn't the unions that shot him down - it was the thinking members of the party.

The resolution that passed calls for education of the contents of the Constitution, what's important that we need to protect, so that any vote is not knee jerk.

And I have to remember that civil rights seldom advances by popular vote. That's a big concern, that Hawaii could go even further backwards with a con-con.

I find it incredibly amazing that are supposedly all about "Change", yet when real change is on the table via a ConCon, you get every reason on earth to keep things the way they are.

So much for change.

Some folks say that our leg can make constitutional amendments. That's absolutely true.

Their last amendment was to make their automatic pay raises happen even easier.

Now THAT'S change we can believe in.

But that's OK, the people have already started a ConCon discussion and it's at http://www.hawaiiconcon.org and everyone is invited, included those for and against.