San Pedro Little League is striking out on new fields

Free Stuff aint Free wrote:

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Your family probably thinks youre a riot. You will never understand leaving some areas fallow and not generating income or organized activities on them. Stick with your crazy ideas about all shipping all the time at the port. Leave the grass and weeds a lizards to us woodsy types,eh?

If you're a woodsy type, move to Big Bear and visit us on the weekends. That's the kindest thing I could write here.

Hey Formerly wrote:

How does it feel to be FLAT OUT WRONG?
You think you are on the 'inside' with this issue...you're not.
You think you know all that occurred...you don't.
You think you know San Pedro's mind set...you don't.
You are flat wrong...about All Kids Play, about the 'offers' to Eastview...about sharing the fields...about everything you state.
Formerly is Really Wrong.
Stop barking.

That's your best retort?? Your empty post sounds like you don't know anymore than what you claim FR knows.

slug wrote:

<quoted text>If you're a woodsy type, move to Big Bear and visit us on the weekends. That's the kindest thing I could write here.

And you are a pedantic over stuffed bloviator who thinks he knows all there is to know about everything. It is obvious that you do not ever go outside so leave the natural world to those of us who appreciate it and experience on a daily basis. You are obviously a concrete and asphalt guy, so why don't you move downtown LA and then we will all be happier.
I could get nasty on your butt but held back, you know,pearls before swine and all that!

Hey Formerly wrote:

How does it feel to be FLAT OUT WRONG?
You think you are on the 'inside' with this issue...you're not.
You think you know all that occurred...you don't.
You think you know San Pedro's mind set...you don't.
You are flat wrong...about All Kids Play, about the 'offers' to Eastview...about sharing the fields...about everything you state.
Formerly is Really Wrong.
Stop barking.

You keep saying "barking." I guess you are under the impression I'm with the dog park. Wrong.

Go ahead and deny the truth- it doesn't change the truth and it doesn't change the parents who pulled their kids out of EVLL over the board's bad behavior.

member - u member wrote:

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All kids Play started once EVLL had to leave Capital DRIVE - Before 2007 - if you did not live West of Gaffey - you were "out of distict area" and not allowed to play. This is a well know fact for the "Blue Collar" workers of San Pedro.

Exactly- they started it once they were trying to take the spot on Knoll Hill for fields that was already being discussed as a park for the local kids. I'm glad you agree.

Free Stuff aint Free wrote:

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And you are a pedantic over stuffed bloviator who thinks he knows all there is to know about everything. It is obvious that you do not ever go outside so leave the natural world to those of us who appreciate it and experience on a daily basis. You are obviously a concrete and asphalt guy, so why don't you move downtown LA and then we will all be happier.
I could get nasty on your butt but held back, you know,pearls before swine and all that!

I was looking for a place for the kids to play baseball. What were you looking for? Weeds?

slug wrote:

<quoted text>I was looking for a place for the kids to play baseball. What were you looking for? Weeds?

If you give the open space to fields- where do you put the parking lot? Do you sacrifice more of the nature preserve for parking?

slug wrote:

<quoted text>I was looking for a place for the kids to play baseball. What were you looking for? Weeds?

And I'm not trying to jab at you- I'm serious. The parking lot is an issue and while I can see letting some of the nature preserve be turned into active use ( but it would have to be shared), I have a real issue with paving it over for parking.

formerly really wrote:

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And I'm not trying to jab at you- I'm serious. The parking lot is an issue and while I can see letting some of the nature preserve be turned into active use ( but it would have to be shared), I have a real issue with paving it over for parking.

Do you realize you sound like Joni Mitchell in "Big Yellow Taxi"? You can't park on the hillside - nor play baseball on the hillside, for that matter. The view you have of the flat land is of weeds and bushes. Yahoo! I grew up seeing a barren San Pedro Hill. It looks better now than then. Nobody bought up the property back then to keep it "natural". Ditto with the Trump/Ocean Trails golf course. I used to camp out there sometimes when I was younger. I can't believe anyone gets excited about White Point when private property was available back then. Even Royal Palms looks better than the barren point itself, although I find no reason to mess with the point.

slug wrote:

<quoted text>Do you realize you sound like Joni Mitchell in "Big Yellow Taxi"? You can't park on the hillside - nor play baseball on the hillside, for that matter. The view you have of the flat land is of weeds and bushes. Yahoo! I grew up seeing a barren San Pedro Hill. It looks better now than then. Nobody bought up the property back then to keep it "natural". Ditto with the Trump/Ocean Trails golf course. I used to camp out there sometimes when I was younger. I can't believe anyone gets excited about White Point when private property was available back then. Even Royal Palms looks better than the barren point itself, although I find no reason to mess with the point.

LOL-
However, you comparison to back then has a flaw.

"Back then" there was a much higher percentage of the peninsula that was left in its natural state. San Pedro Hill is no longer barren. There are fewer places for the native flora and fauna to exist; White Point is one of the last. While I can certianly see balancing the needs of the population against the need to preserve the environment, by making the flat area a space for active play (like baseball fields) I really don't think we should sacrifice it so people can park conveniently. What- they can't walk a little bit to where they are going to excersize? It's like the people who go to the gym and try to get the parking space closest to the door.

formerly really wrote:

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LOL-
However, you comparison to back then has a flaw.
"Back then" there was a much higher percentage of the peninsula that was left in its natural state. San Pedro Hill is no longer barren. There are fewer places for the native flora and fauna to exist; White Point is one of the last. While I can certianly see balancing the needs of the population against the need to preserve the environment, by making the flat area a space for active play (like baseball fields) I really don't think we should sacrifice it so people can park conveniently. What- they can't walk a little bit to where they are going to excersize? It's like the people who go to the gym and try to get the parking space closest to the door.

Oh stop you two jabberjaws! There isn't going to be any active organized play at white point. The conservancy has much better organizationa and political connections than any local baseball group. FUGGADABOUTIT!!!

formerly really wrote:

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LOL-
However, you comparison to back then has a flaw.
"Back then" there was a much higher percentage of the peninsula that was left in its natural state. San Pedro Hill is no longer barren. There are fewer places for the native flora and fauna to exist; White Point is one of the last. While I can certianly see balancing the needs of the population against the need to preserve the environment, by making the flat area a space for active play (like baseball fields) I really don't think we should sacrifice it so people can park conveniently. What- they can't walk a little bit to where they are going to excersize? It's like the people who go to the gym and try to get the parking space closest to the door.

If your only issue in support of the weeds and bushes at White Point, there are many better places around town. The east side of Peck Park going down into Miraflores Canyon. The hillside from 9th to 19th (my memory fails me right now on the street name change on the west side) on the west side. People driving by can view original flora and fauna (mostly rattlesnakes), compliments of the Elks Club. The Conservancy has the George F Canyon trail, a far better place to see what open space was like before. It gets used more, too, by school children and scout troops.

There is a dearth of sports land in Pedro, not a dearth of open space to enjoy.

Free Stuff aint Free wrote:

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Oh stop you two jabberjaws! There isn't going to be any active organized play at white point. The conservancy has much better organizationa and political connections than any local baseball group. FUGGADABOUTIT!!!

Go find some place else to play.

slug wrote:

<quoted text>If your only issue in support of the weeds and bushes at White Point, there are many better places around town. The east side of Peck Park going down into Miraflores Canyon. The hillside from 9th to 19th (my memory fails me right now on the street name change on the west side) on the west side. People driving by can view original flora and fauna (mostly rattlesnakes), compliments of the Elks Club. The Conservancy has the George F Canyon trail, a far better place to see what open space was like before. It gets used more, too, by school children and scout troops.
There is a dearth of sports land in Pedro, not a dearth of open space to enjoy.

None of those are coastal. While it's nice that the trail is an opportunity for kids to get into what's left of nature (and frankly, it's not much) that has nothing to do with the reason for its preservation. The argument for natural open space is not "use." That's the argument for recreational space. The argument for natural open space is habitat and species protection- ideally that land doesn't get used by people at all.

The fact is, that land at White point is held by the Conservancy. If they don't want it used for sports, they don't have to.

Free Stuff aint Free wrote:

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Oh stop you two jabberjaws! There isn't going to be any active organized play at white point. The conservancy has much better organizationa and political connections than any local baseball group. FUGGADABOUTIT!!!

Dude- I'm on your side.Chill.

formerly really wrote:

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None of those are coastal. While it's nice that the trail is an opportunity for kids to get into what's left of nature (and frankly, it's not much) that has nothing to do with the reason for its preservation. The argument for natural open space is not "use." That's the argument for recreational space. The argument for natural open space is habitat and species protection- ideally that land doesn't get used by people at all.
The fact is, that land at White point is held by the Conservancy. If they don't want it used for sports, they don't have to.

Portuguese Bend and Abalone Cove area belong to the Conservancy. http://www.pvplc.org/campaign/Open%20Spaces%2... Wow, save land so people can't use it and a hundred kids or more have no place to play? Strange prioritizing in a community of our population. The other yokel is right, though, the Land Conservancy has a 25 year lease. They probably had more political clout and now they have a contractual agreement that only they can break. But, it doesn't change my opinion that if the ELL can't find another site to play competitive baseball, White Point land is a waste of open space.

slug wrote:

<quoted text>Portuguese Bend and Abalone Cove area belong to the Conservancy. http://www.pvplc.org/campaign/Open%20Spaces%2... Wow, save land so people can't use it and a hundred kids or more have no place to play? Strange prioritizing in a community of our population. The other yokel is right, though, the Land Conservancy has a 25 year lease. They probably had more political clout and now they have a contractual agreement that only they can break. But, it doesn't change my opinion that if the ELL can't find another site to play competitive baseball, White Point land is a waste of open space.

Well alrighty then!

Since you can't tell the frickin difference between weeds and wildflowers and think any old dirt path is good enough for the hoi polloi, you are outvoted. thanks for your opinion, and thanks for playing our game. Evll will just have to pound sand. Baseball sucks anyway and is dying out. Soccer is ascendent and AYSO has their act together. There is a nice parting gift for you, just see Rod Roddy on your way out of town. LOL!!

slug wrote:

<quoted text>Portuguese Bend and Abalone Cove area belong to the Conservancy. http://www.pvplc.org/campaign/Open%20Spaces%2... Wow, save land so people can't use it and a hundred kids or more have no place to play? Strange prioritizing in a community of our population. The other yokel is right, though, the Land Conservancy has a 25 year lease. They probably had more political clout and now they have a contractual agreement that only they can break. But, it doesn't change my opinion that if the ELL can't find another site to play competitive baseball, White Point land is a waste of open space.

At the risk of being chastised I'll say this: there are lots of outlets for kids to play but there is only so much habitat left. You need to take the long view- species protection is important over many generations, not just this one. There are other baseball fields and other leagues to play in- there is only one White Point. Yes, I realize it makes no sense to you but people don't need to use everything. Not every scrap of developable land should be developed. A game is not the most important thing on the planet.

I think there is some room for compromise, especially in the former missile site area, which is flat. That's why I'm willing to say- as a last resort maybe a couple of fields should be considered- but not for a parking lot. Absolutely not.

formerly really wrote:

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At the risk of being chastised I'll say this: there are lots of outlets for kids to play but there is only so much habitat left. You need to take the long view- species protection is important over many generations, not just this one. There are other baseball fields and other leagues to play in- there is only one White Point. Yes, I realize it makes no sense to you but people don't need to use everything. Not every scrap of developable land should be developed. A game is not the most important thing on the planet.
I think there is some room for compromise, especially in the former missile site area, which is flat. That's why I'm willing to say- as a last resort maybe a couple of fields should be considered- but not for a parking lot. Absolutely not.

Bull! No compromise at all!! There is too little area already no playing fields, no parking area, go somewhere else or just forget it!! The variey of animals needs no competition or added disturbance. Period.( As if either of you spoke for the residents of San Pedro!!)

Back to square one: Eastview is the ONLY sanctioned Little League in San Pedro, period. Thus, no San Pedro resident could be excluded from playing there, they're all in the Eastview District.

Your 'barking' is senseless noise, whether its due to a hoarse voice, overzealous anger or a relation to the dog park. Regardless...it's still wrong.

As for the 'bad behavior' of a prior EVLL board -- the testimony of 600 children and their parents speaks volumes today. Sure, some parents and kids left for Bogdanovich Park, Bloch field and Peck Park...not many though. Ultimately, Eastview appears stronger and better run today than just a few years ago.

Here's a consideration: is Eastview better today because it is without those whom you reference? And will they have a change of heart and return?

(Pssssst...you already know the answer... ask some of those who left Eastview what they're doing every Sunday this fall)