Bush veto expected on waterboard ban

Alberta worker wrote:

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Not a Moron just ill informed. Bush is a speaker! A military man. Part of the chain of command.

bush must be your idol.....

bush is a great speaker....most idiot are and most idiots believe he is honest.

bush is a coward. cowtipping thug, war criminal and he cares about your so damn much. Worst President ever!

Outsourcing Torture
The secret history of America’s “extraordinary rendition” program.
by Jane Mayer February 14, 2005
Geneva Conventions
On January 27th, President Bush, in a interview with the Times, assured the world that “torture is never acceptable, nor do we hand over people to countries that do torture.” Maher Arar, a Canadian engineer who was born in Syria, was surprised to learn of Bush’s statement........There's more
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/02/14/0...

WHAT A LIAR! Impeachment is too good for Bush, Cheney and their minions. They should be tried for war crimes and sent to the prisons they have in mind for the rest of us. http://realcostofprisons.org/blog/archives/20... Guess who the worlds biggest gun runners are? YUP.. America... and these murderous bastards are profiteering off of the human misery they create.
The Arms Trade is Big Business
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsT...

mayo420 wrote:

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Ummm, we drop bombs on terrorist hideouts and "accidently" kill and maim innocent women, children and babies in the process, and then we label it - collateral damage. And you're upset about a terrorist with a face full of water? God and the Bible have very little to do with modern warfare my friend. Very little. God forgives many things, but never the killing of a child by either side.

Where is that in the Bible?Obviously you have not read the Bible.

FROM ACROSS THE ATLANTIK wrote:

YOU AMERIKAN LIBERAL POLITICIANS - YOU EQUATE SIMULATED DROWNINGS TO HEADS BEING SLICED OFF WITH A SURRATED KNIFE ?????
THE LATTER IS TORTURE, THE FORMER IS A 'SIMMULATION' you retarded, dumb pussy liberals.
You also are under the strict believe that incarcerating a mass murderer is a form of torture, cruel and unusual punishment.
NEVER ONCE HAVE YOUR LIBERAL POLITICIANS COMPLAINED WHEN THE ISLAMICS SLICED OFF THE HEADS OF AMERIKAN SOLDIERS. They totally justify this because they loath your military and the more of your soldiers die by whatever means, the better.
Conservatives need to create an artial bomb which surgically strikes and kills only liberals.

Thank You! Very well said.

Wake up America wrote:

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Do you think they were NOT beheading their captives BEFORE this. get real! Honestly

Yes,they were,they have always been animals.How can anyone have sympathy for these murdering cowards.

GW and whoever may follow him, is just the poster boy/girl who takes the slings and arrows thrown at him/her by the media and Joe citizen. The real "movers and shakers" remain mostly silent. The plans and alternative plans are beyond our control ---- we're just going thru the motions to satisfy our vanity.

The Congressional Mouse wrote:

If it were known how deeply entrenched the cancer of self interest is in Congress and just how corrupt it really is... we might either all commit suicide for the shame of it all, or pull out our blunderbuss and start shooting the moon. No one knows how many SPIES wear a Congressional pin... and you better believe it that there ARE agents of foreign governments ... HOSTILE AGENTS... sitting in seats the voters gave them and these people are the ones we need MOST TO SPIE ON. No one will have time to reflect on how socially appropriate it is to civil liberties when a mushroom grows over the heads of every hometown cityhall lawn in America one Thursday afternoon. No one will remain to moarn the demise of the greatest nation in history but our enemies.
Wake up, America... Its LATER THAN YOU THINK...
toolatetoolatetoolatetoolateto olatetoolatetoolate

Well written! Now, if we could just convince the rest of America. It's time to wake up and fight the enemy from within.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross"

14 POINTS OF FASCISM
http://www.ellensplace.net/fascism.html

Good luck to you all in the coming days.

the bush madness must be stopped. He lied. USA does torture.

This isn't AMerica anymore... it's "Bushania"

Uh can someone explain to me why hoochi min ( Vietnam) they let win wasnt waterboarded, arafatty, and thier new ahmebiinniiideemmiiijahadud.

And Binny Latte never got waterboarded he escaped five time from the Catholic Inqusition Agency.(CIA) so they said is the truth.

Uhhhhhhh hmmmmmmmmmm I'm thinking here UUUUUUUhhhh hmmm
Gotta Laugh Ha ha

whos your daddy Ha ha

It's even more pathetic for a country to not even have the testicle fortitude to administer its' own torture. When we farm it out to other nations to do our dirty work, it's beyond judgment.

citizen contraire wrote:

Outsourcing Torture
The secret history of America’s “extraordinary rendition” program.
by Jane Mayer February 14, 2005
Geneva Conventions
On January 27th, President Bush, in a interview with the Times, assured the world that “torture is never acceptable, nor do we hand over people to countries that do torture.” Maher Arar, a Canadian engineer who was born in Syria, was surprised to learn of Bush’s statement........There's more
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/02/14/0...
WHAT A LIAR! Impeachment is too good for Bush, Cheney and their minions. They should be tried for war crimes and sent to the prisons they have in mind for the rest of us. http://realcostofprisons.org/blog/archives/20... Guess who the worlds biggest gun runners are? YUP.. America... and these murderous bastards are profiteering off of the human misery they create.
The Arms Trade is Big Business
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsT...

Good post! only a few know the truth

i am tortured everyday that bush is president.

What say its not so

what about boogie boarding???

tsunamimommy wrote:

GW and whoever may follow him, is just the poster boy/girl who takes the slings and arrows thrown at him/her by the media and Joe citizen. The real "movers and shakers" remain mostly silent. The plans and alternative plans are beyond our control ---- we're just going thru the motions to satisfy our vanity.

Surely you're not suggesting we just give up and be good little lemmings and go along with the program, are you? I think most of us know there is a shadow government in place and things aren't what they seem. Bush is just the front man...the baffoon to entertain the masses while the real deals take place elsewhere. Perhaps there is nothing the masses can do about what goes on behind closed doors but we can understand it, learn how it functions and prepare to provide for our families while the shadow elite play their, for real, game of Risk. I have grandkids. I assure you, it's not about vanity.

DAVIES wrote:

What on earth are we supposed to do with barbaric and cowardly people who just blow up anyone who happens to be around, a little water torture is nothing if it protects my family from these sad people.

Besides from being against international treaties which we have signed, thereby making torture an illegal act, and besides the fact that we tried Japanese Officers after WWII for using waterboarding and other means of torture, found them guility and executed them (And Japan was the only country to be bombed by WMD's, thereby justifying the use of torture in Bush's little mind)
TORTURE DOES NOT YIELD RELIABLE, USABLE INTELLIGENCE.

That fact has been proven time and time again. When Bush says that waterboarding forced Shiek Kalid to give us vital information-I say BULL FVCKING SH*T.

How do we know Bush isn't lying. after all here are some famous Bush lies
I will get Osama bin Laden
Iraq is capable of launching a WMD attack in 45 minutes
Iraq and Saddam have WMD's
Al Qaeda is in Iraq (Before Mar 03)
Heck've a job Brownie
The economy is strong
We're not in a recession
We are shooting down the satellite because it poses a threat

I've worked with Interrogator Translator Teams in the Corps-and they know torture only gets you the answers the subject thinks you want to hear.PERIOD.

ray wrote:

Torture any info from torture is bogus info.The use of torture is to send a message to the general population. If you lived in a country that used torture and you saw the victims of torture you would tow the party line. A torture victim is a living reminder not to mess with the powers of ones country. Maybe BUSH is testing the waters.

The info we got from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was not bogus info. In fact it probably saved the lives of countless Coalition soldiers and Afghanis/Iraqis in general. We used waterboarding on him. I don't care what you want to believe, but torture works. It worked on the US soldiers captured by Saddam in Desert Storm and it worked on John McCain in Hanoi. Waterboarding is a far cry from real torture. You know, like the kind Saddam and his sons committed every day. Throwing someone into a human shredder is torture. Burning off body parts with acid is torture. Simulated drowning is scary.

tsunamimommy wrote:

<quoted text> Good post! only a few know the truth

Thanks... sometime I don't think folks even read my posts. Did I miss something in the other post?

Common Sense Isnt wrote:

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The info we got from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was not bogus info. In fact it probably saved the lives of countless Coalition soldiers and Afghanis/Iraqis in general. We used waterboarding on him. I don't care what you want to believe, but torture works. It worked on the US soldiers captured by Saddam in Desert Storm and it worked on John McCain in Hanoi. Waterboarding is a far cry from real torture. You know, like the kind Saddam and his sons committed every day. Throwing someone into a human shredder is torture. Burning off body parts with acid is torture. Simulated drowning is scary.

Just how in the world would you know that the info we got from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed after torturing him was useful and reliable???

BECAUSE BUSH SAID SO?????????

Man if you are that gullible, give me your name and phone number, I want to do business with you!!!!

do you know how to tell when Bush is lying???

HIS LIPS ARE MOVING.

citizen contraire wrote:

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Surely you're not suggesting we just give up and be good little lemmings and go along with the program, are you? I think most of us know there is a shadow government in place and things aren't what they seem. Bush is just the front man...the baffoon to entertain the masses while the real deals take place elsewhere. Perhaps there is nothing the masses can do about what goes on behind closed doors but we can understand it, learn how it functions and prepare to provide for our families while the shadow elite play their, for real, game of Risk. I have grandkids. I assure you, it's not about vanity.

Sorry, vanity was the wrong word. I'm prepared for the crush mentally, but already an old fart. There are a few patriots left, so what comes out of the ashes of semi-civilized man, can perhaps be built upon.