Cheney on gay marriage: 'Freedom for everyone'

Why is this cheney guy still alive? The world begs for the United States to get its house in order.

SunShine wrote:

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That is completly aside from what I posted.
When you post the words "you shouldn't" in a statment centered on not telling others what they should or should not do.........
Do I really need to explain?

Yes, you do. The poster shouldn't force their beliefs on anyone else. What is so difficult to understand about that?

Exposed: The Myth That Psychiatry Has Proven That Homosexual Behavior Is Normal
In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality as a mental disorder from the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual Of Mental Disorders (DSM-II).

This decision was a significant victory for homosexual activists, and they have continued to claim that the APA based their decision on new scientific discoveries that proved that homosexual behavior is normal and should be affirmed in our culture.

This is false and part of numerous homosexual urban legends that have infiltrated every aspect of our culture. The removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder has given homosexual activists credibility in the culture, and they have demanded that their sexual behavior be affirmed in society.
What Really Happened?
Numerous psychiatrists over the past decades have described what forces were really at work both inside and outside of the American Psychiatric Association-and what led to the removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

Dr. Ronald Bayer explains how homosexual activists captured the APA for political gain.
Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what actually occurred in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis.(1981)

In Chapter 4, "Diagnostic Politics: Homosexuality and the American Psychiatric Association," Dr. Bayer says that the first attack by homosexual activists against the APA began in 1970 when this organization held its convention in San Francisco. Homosexual activists decided to disrupt the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, homosexual activist Frank Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed the microphone and yelled, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you."

Homosexuals forged APA credentials and gained access to exhibit areas in the conference. They threatened anyone who claimed that homosexuals needed to be cured.

Kameny had found an ally inside of the APA named Kent Robinson who helped the homosexual activist present his demand that homosexuality be removed from the DSM. At the 1972 convention, homosexual activists were permitted to set up a display booth, entitled "Gay, Proud and Healthy."

Kameny was then permitted to be part of a panel of psychiatrists who were to discuss homosexuality. The effort to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM was the result of power politics, threats, and intimidation, not scientific discoveries.

Prior to the APA's 1973 convention, several psychiatrists attempted to organize opposition to the efforts of homosexuals to remove homosexual behavior from the DSM. Organizing this effort were Drs. Irving Bieber and Charles Socarides who formed the Ad Hoc Committee Against the Deletion of Homosexuality from DSM-II.

The DSM-II listed homosexuality as an abnormal behavior under section "302. Sexual Deviations." It was the first deviation listed.

After much political pressure, a committee of the APA met behind closed doors in 1973 and voted to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM-II. Opponents of this effort were given 15 minutes to protest this change, according to Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, in Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Satinover writes that after this vote was taken, the decision was to be voted on by the entire APA membership. The National Gay Task Force purchased the APA's mailing list and sent out a letter to the APA members urging them to vote to remove homosexuality as a disorder. No APA member was informed that the mailing had been funded by this homosexual activist group.

THE IMPORTANCE OF THE DSM
The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) is the most widely used diagnostic reference book utilized by mental health professionals in the United States.

It's a manual by which all diagnostic codes are derived for diagnosis and treatment - every single physician (an estimated 850,000*) in the United States refers to this book in order to code for a diagnosis. In plain English, what does this mean? It means that for over 30 years physicians have been prevented from properly diagnosing homosexuality as an aberrant behavior and thus, cannot, recommend a course of treatment for these individuals.

Prior to that time, homosexuality had been treated as a mental disorder under section "302. Sexual Deviations" in the DSM-II. Section 302 said, in part: "This category is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed primarily toward objects other than people of the opposite sex, toward sexual acts … performed under bizarre circumstances.… Even though many find their practices distasteful, they remain unable to substitute normal sexual behavior for them." Homosexuality was listed as the first sexual deviation under 302. Once that diagnostic code for homosexuality was removed, physicians, including psychiatrists, have been prevented from diagnosing homosexuality as a mental disorder for more than three decades.

*American Medical Association statistic, 2002.

Prior to that time, homosexuality had been treated as a mental disorder under section "302. Sexual Deviations" in the DSM-II. Section 302 said, in part: "This category is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed primarily toward objects other than people of the opposite sex, toward sexual acts … performed under bizarre circumstances.… Even though many find their practices distasteful, they remain unable to substitute normal sexual behavior for them." Homosexuality was listed as the first sexual deviation under 302. Once that diagnostic code for homosexuality was removed, physicians, including psychiatrists, have been prevented from diagnosing homosexuality as a mental disorder for more than three decades.

*American Medical Association statistic, 2002.

THIS IS NOT MY OPINION,
IT IS a HISTORICAL FACT!

LIGER OMNI POTENT MAGNUM wrote:

the DSM was changed based on politics, generated by activists, change not based on science!

Even if it were, then explain why there is no credible evidence to justify re-adding homosexuality to the DSM?

We see massive social acceptable of GLBT people because the normal GLBT people vastly outnumber the ones with mental problems, and our families, friends and neighbors see us and our partners as normal.

LIGER OMNI POTENT MAGNUM wrote:

THIS IS NOT MY OPINION,
IT IS a HISTORICAL FACT!

LOL Whatever you say, to convince yourself that your opinion is the the only truth.

LIGER OMNI POTENT MAGNUM wrote:

THIS IS NOT MY OPINION,
IT IS a HISTORICAL FACT!

People like you once thought, and were quite convinced about it, that the Earth was flat, and the Sun orbited the earth, or was drawn through the sky by a flaming chariot.
Some of the idiot God-botherers even dismissed as "Heresy" brilliant, thinking people like Galileo, only eventually apologizing for being complete and utter **** hundreds of years later.
I don't think you'll be around in a hundred or so years, so save us the trouble, and apologize for being a clueless dork now, there's a good Liger.

You can cling to your flat-earth theories all you want, no sane thinking person with an average or over IQ on the planet agrees with you.

Mellers wrote:

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LOL Whatever you say, to convince yourself that your opinion is the the only truth.

The ting is I suspect him to be gay himself.

Mellers wrote:

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Yes, you do. The poster shouldn't force their beliefs on anyone else. What is so difficult to understand about that?

DITWAD!

What is so hard to understand about the poster telling you your being a hipocrate, by attempting to force YOUR views on the other poster?

Pierre France wrote:

<quoted text>People like you once thought,.........flat-earth theories all you want, no sane thinking person with an average or over IQ on the planet agrees with you.

ummm-

The voters apparently agree. Prop 8 failed and people said "no" to gay marriage.

Among President´Bush’ accomplishments…..

This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country.
- President George W. Bush, December 16, 2003

"The Accomplishments"
Increasing Homeownership
* The US homeownership rate reached a record 69.2 percent in the second quarter of 2004. The number of homeowners in the United States reached 73.4 million, the most ever. And for the first time, the majority of minority Americans own their own homes.

* The President set a goal to increase the number of minority homeowners by 5.5 million families by the end of the decade. Through his homeownership challenge, the President called on the private sector to help in this effort. More than two dozen companies and organizations have made commitments to increase minority homeownership - including pledges to provide more than $1.1 trillion in mortgage purchases for minority homebuyers this decade.

* President Bush signed the $200 million-per-year American Dream Downpayment Act which will help approximately 40,000 families each year with their downpayment and closing costs.

* The Administration proposed the Zero-Downpayment Initiative to allow the Federal Housing Administration to insure mortgages for first-time homebuyers without a downpayment. Projections indicate this could generate over 150,000 new homeowners in the first year alone.

* President Bush proposed a new Single Family Affordable Housing Tax Credit to increase the supply of affordable homes.

* The President has proposed to more than double funding for the Self-Help Homeownership Opportunity Program (SHOP), where government and non-profit organizations work closely together to increase homeownership opportunities.

* The President proposed $2.7 billion in USDA home loan guarantees to support rural homeownership and $1.1 billion in direct loans for low-income borrowers unable to secure a mortgage through a conventional lender. These loans are expected to provide 42,800 homeownership opportunities to rural families across America.
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LIGER OMNI POTENT MAGNUM wrote:

THIS IS NOT MY OPINION,
IT IS a HISTORICAL FACT!

Lie. It is a hateful, destructive, and intentional LIE. Politics had NOTHING to do with removing homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses. It was an ENTIRELY scientific decision. There was not a SINGLE example of successful "treatment." There was, and is still no such thing as a former homosexual. There was NO evidence, at all, that it's a "disease." It's not, and the professional mental health authorities showed this decades ago, and NO evidence has come forth since to call this into question.

OkieDarren wrote:

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Lie. It is a hateful, destructive, and intentional LIE. Politics had NOTHING to do with removing homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses.

oh baloney

The radical gay movement will hang anyone who depicts the gay agenda for what it really is-deviant.

As Dr Laura and Miss California. The hateful gay movement tried to destroy their careers.

nice try. Look in the mirror when it comes to HATE

Dr Joyce Bros wrote:

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oh baloney
The radical gay movement will hang anyone who depicts the gay agenda for what it really is-deviant.
As Dr Laura and Miss California. The hateful gay movement tried to destroy their careers.
nice try. Look in the mirror when it comes to HATE

Really, it was political pressure. You mean the APA removed homosexuality as a mental illness. A group that could make billions trying to cure the "disease". Dam that 2% of the population is powerful. How about the pharmaceuticals companies not one company in the WORLD is developing a pill to "cure gay".. what a blockbuster drug that would be what parent wouldn't spend thousands of dollars for that pill. It must be due to political pressure because they are so ethical. Not even the Russian or Chinese Health Ministry’s classify homosexuality as a mental illness. Who pressured them in the 70's?

Dr Joyce Bros wrote:

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oh baloney
The radical gay movement will hang anyone who depicts the gay agenda for what it really is-deviant.
As Dr Laura and Miss California. The hateful gay movement tried to destroy their careers.
nice try. Look in the mirror when it comes to HATE

Well said!

LIGER OMNI POTENT MAGNUM wrote:

Among President´Bush’ accomplishments…..
This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country.
- President George W. Bush, December 16, 2003
"The Accomplishments"
Increasing Homeownership
* The US homeownership rate reached a record 69.2 percent in the second quarter of 2004. The number of homeowners in the United States reached 73.4 million, the most ever. And for the first time, the majority of minority Americans own their own homes.
* The President set a goal to increase the number of minority homeowners by 5.5 million families by the end of the decade. Through his homeownership challenge, the President called on the private sector to help in this effort. More than two dozen companies and organizations have made commitments to increase minority homeownership - including pledges to provide more than $1.1 trillion in mortgage purchases for minority homebuyers this decade.
* President Bush signed the $200 million-per-year American Dream Downpayment Act which will help approximately 40,000 families each year with their downpayment and closing costs.
* The Administration proposed the Zero-Downpayment Initiative to allow the Federal Housing Administration to insure mortgages for first-time homebuyers without a downpayment. Projections indicate this could generate over 150,000 new homeowners in the first year alone.
* President Bush proposed a new Single Family Affordable Housing Tax Credit to increase the supply of affordable homes.
* The President has proposed to more than double funding for the Self-Help Homeownership Opportunity Program (SHOP), where government and non-profit organizations work closely together to increase homeownership opportunities.
* The President proposed $2.7 billion in USDA home loan guarantees to support rural homeownership and $1.1 billion in direct loans for low-income borrowers unable to secure a mortgage through a conventional lender. These loans are expected to provide 42,800 homeownership opportunities to rural families across America.
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Yep now those dumass can't afford thier houses.. Not to mention the trillions of wasted dollars on Medicare Part D- Why should I pay for people too stupid and lazy to plan for thier future.

Dr Joyce Bros wrote:

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The voters apparently agree. Prop 8 failed and people said "no" to gay marriage.

Actually that is not true. There are 18,000 legal gay marriages in California TODAY. If your statement was correct, this would not be.

The state Supreme Court had ruled last May that it was unconstitutional to deny gay couples the right to wed.

"After comparing this initiative measure to the many other constitutional changes that have been reviewed and evaluated in numerous prior decisions of this court, we conclude Proposition 8 constitutes a constitutional amendment rather than a constitutional revision,” the ruling said.

Thus the ruling was about the constitution.....NOT same sex marriage.