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Boot their butts out NOW. Close the borders. MAKE them do it the legal way. We also need to change how you get US citizenship. Citizenship by birth in the USA should only be valid if both parents are in the country LEGALLY. That would take away A LOT of incentive for illegals to come here.

Kudos to Metcalfe, Rock, Kauffman, and Moul for representing the (American) people! We are tired of feeling like foreigners in our own country....bilingual sign's at Lowe's, Spanish being spoken in retail stores and on radio and TV, bilingual labels on products. Begone illegals. If we had real leaders in Washington they would not be here in the first place.

Democrates are are out to ruin all of what America stands for LAWS.. I hate liberals. Pensacola is a sanctuary city And is becoming a third world sesspool. Thanks to liberal dems. I am now a Independent.

Ceptfer wrote:

And, before we start creating havoc and wasting more resources on deportations of people we need, we should think about legalizing those productive and otherwise law-abiding souls that are already here. It's so sad to see families unnecessarily torn apart because mom or dad were guilty of driving while brown.

I guess because 'mom or dad' were in the country illegally wouldn't have anything to do with it? And why should families be 'torn apart'? The children can go with the parents.

Mr Fixit - Wow. We're all immigrants. Yup, my
lineage immigrated here from Germany. Except,
they did it the right way and in compliance with laws that existed at that time. First stop off the
tramp steamer? Ellis Island. You didn't see them sneaking in here, violating our sovereignty and
immigration laws, waving the German flag, taking to the streets demanding rights in German, calling
for German to be the official language, or rewriting the national anthem in deutsch, or lowering the U.S. flag and raising the german flag in its place, and pelting the police with
plastic water bottles full of urine, and you didn't see them spitting out one baby after another after another at taxpayer epsense, and never bothering to teach it the english language.
Seems you lack the ability to distinguish between
"immigrants" and "illegal foreign national aliens." They want a better life? Thats well and fine. Start it by coming in through the front door, and in compliance with existing law and procedures. Learn to read, speak and write in
english instead of demanding their "host country" revert to espanol as the official language. Stop with this ridiculous mythical Aztlan garbage. Submit to medical screening and background checks
so we know WHO and WHAT we are receiving. And lose
the Mexican Flag. This isn't Mexico. Yet. If they feel the need to display their Mexican flag,
they can do so in the sanctity of their own homes
instead of flying it outside to iintentionally nstigate others.
Some people -- myself included -- take umbrage at
a Mexican flag flying here unless it's at the Mexican Consulate or a Mexican Displomats home, or
the Mexican Embassy. There are right ways and wrong ways. Sneaking in here solo, or with the
"assistance" of a heartless coyote or simply overstaying their Visa and going into hiding or
blending in with other hispanics and/or ignoring a deportation hearing order or a judge's deportation order isn't the right way. We allow more legal immigrants and swear in more U.S. citizens than ANY nation on this planet.I'm all for immigration - come one, come all. As long as it is done legally and in compliance with federal immigration law(s). The overwhelming majority of US Citizens are absolutely fed-up, frustrated and disgusted with these illegal foreign national aliens (or "immigrants as you call them) using the United States as a convenience and taking advantage of us and our collective generosity.
There is an awful lot of resent,ment and ill will directed at illegals now, and it is reasonable to say that they brought this all on themselves. Actions have always spoken louder than words. Their actions haven't impressed the overwhelming majority of us at all.

Ceptfer wrote:

And, before we start creating havoc and wasting more resources on deportations of people we need, we should think about legalizing those productive and otherwise law-abiding souls that are already here. It's so sad to see families unnecessarily torn apart because mom or dad were guilty of driving while brown.

"We" start creating havoc? Looks like the illegals are already doing that. How can they be "law-abiding" if they are here illegally? Torn apart? Just let 'em all leave together and that problem is easily solved. There should be no argument beyond they are illegal, git 'em out now.

want to get rid of the illegal immigrants? Heres what you do. Get a white panel vans with no windows and the drivers seat is blocked from the back. Go up to a group and offer them a job to build something. Have them jump in the back. Instead of going to your house, go to the immigration office and watch the fun begin.

Ted wrote:

<quoted text> What codswallop! There is, and has been, a plan. The USA has had Immigration policy and admitted legal immigrants for many years. There's no deficiency in the U.S. government on this score, Ceptfer. How'd you miss out on this fact, Amiga?

It's "amigo" not "amiga". Well if you learned anything from our immigration policy is that we don't admit sufficient people to meet our labor needs. As IRCA 1986 clearly established, there were roughly three million people that were initially not qualified for legal entry because they were unskilled and poor workers and they could not prove they would not be wards of the state. Those three million that were legalized were able to prove that they were self sufficient, law-abiding and productive individuals. They had to pass criminal checks and health checks just like all other applicants. Without amnesty they could not have adjusted their status. One of the problems is that the parameters were too narrow and millions of people remained without the opportunity to legalize. IRCA 1986 was a patch job in that respect and with regard to sanctions for employers, it left employers responsible for a job that the then INS should have performed.

Bob wrote:

<quoted text> Your argument is specious, Ceptfer. There is a way for foreigners to become American citizens. It has existed for a long, long time. Your claim that illegals are here because breaking U.S. laws "is the only viable option that these people had" is horse hockey! How stupid do you think the people of Franklin County are to believe BS like that? You cannot justify illegal entry into this country with a bogus argument like you've put forth.

It's not bogus. Remember the reasons we had IRCA 1986 to begin with. Those people could not qualify under existing policies at the time.

jbr wrote:

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Then, those that are being "productive" needs to become citizens, like any other law abiding immigrants!

I agree. BUT, to do that there has to be a way for these people to qualify for entry. Right now we set an arbitrary limit that defies common sense.

George wrote:

<quoted text> "People we need?" Ceptfer that is an unsupported claim. The vast majority of illegal aliens in the 12 million are poorly educated who possess few skills thus are suitable for menial labor work such as landscaping, orchard labor, etc. What is needed are people in this category who are here LEGALLY. "Driving while brown" indicates you're speaking of Hispanics. Well, Ceptfer, there are illegals from many foreign countries and, granted, a large percent are from south of the border. You are making the bogus arguments of those who call Americans "racist" if they express anything but support for the illegals.

Our immigration laws and policies have often been racist in the past. That's not bogus, it's a fact. The people that are being targeted are people coming across our southern border, Hispanics and the indigenous. How many Canadians have been targeted? It's quite evident who is targeted and is showing up in an increase of violent crimes against Hispanics.

Yes most of these people are not rocket scientists and few skills. But working as a seamstress, nanny, cook, waiter, construction worker etc. don't require that kind of training. I've never said that people that disagree are all racists but I do recognize that the Anti-immigrant movement was born out of nativist, racist and White Supremacists groups. Before the Minutemen, for example, the KKK conducted the Klan Border Watch back in the late 70's.

Ceptfer wrote:

<quoted text>
Our immigration laws and policies have often been racist in the past. That's not bogus, it's a fact. The people that are being targeted are people coming across our southern border, Hispanics and the indigenous. How many Canadians have been targeted? It's quite evident who is targeted and is showing up in an increase of violent crimes against Hispanics.
Yes most of these people are not rocket scientists and few skills. But working as a seamstress, nanny, cook, waiter, construction worker etc. don't require that kind of training. I've never said that people that disagree are all racists but I do recognize that the Anti-immigrant movement was born out of nativist, racist and White Supremacists groups. Before the Minutemen, for example, the KKK conducted the Klan Border Watch back in the late 70's.

Thats a real good assesment my friend....there are over 12 million illeagle aliens here from south of the border...they are they problem....I don't think were having a problem with a Canadian invasion....so looking at facts doesn't mean anything because it's not PC....

Bill wrote:

Mr Fixit - Wow. We're all immigrants. Yup, my
lineage immigrated here from Germany. Except,
they did it the right way and in compliance with laws that existed at that time. First stop off the
tramp steamer? Ellis Island. You didn't see them sneaking in here, violating our sovereignty and
immigration laws, waving the German flag, taking to the streets demanding rights in German, calling
for German to be the official language, or rewriting the national anthem in deutsch, or lowering the U.S. flag and raising the german flag in its place, and pelting the police with
plastic water bottles full of urine, and you didn't see them spitting out one baby after another after another at taxpayer epsense, and never bothering to teach it the english language.
Seems you lack the ability to distinguish between
"immigrants" and "illegal foreign national aliens." They want a better life? Thats well and fine. Start it by coming in through the front door, and in compliance with existing law and procedures. Learn to read, speak and write in
english instead of demanding their "host country" revert to espanol as the official language. Stop with this ridiculous mythical Aztlan garbage. Submit to medical screening and background checks
so we know WHO and WHAT we are receiving. And lose
the Mexican Flag. This isn't Mexico. Yet. If they feel the need to display their Mexican flag,
they can do so in the sanctity of their own homes
instead of flying it outside to iintentionally nstigate others.
Some people -- myself included -- take umbrage at
a Mexican flag flying here unless it's at the Mexican Consulate or a Mexican Displomats home, or
the Mexican Embassy. There are right ways and wrong ways. Sneaking in here solo, or with the
"assistance" of a heartless coyote or simply overstaying their Visa and going into hiding or
blending in with other hispanics and/or ignoring a deportation hearing order or a judge's deportation order isn't the right way. We allow more legal immigrants and swear in more U.S. citizens than ANY nation on this planet.I'm all for immigration - come one, come all. As long as it is done legally and in compliance with federal immigration law(s). The overwhelming majority of US Citizens are absolutely fed-up, frustrated and disgusted with these illegal foreign national aliens (or "immigrants as you call them) using the United States as a convenience and taking advantage of us and our collective generosity.
There is an awful lot of resent,ment and ill will directed at illegals now, and it is reasonable to say that they brought this all on themselves. Actions have always spoken louder than words. Their actions haven't impressed the overwhelming majority of us at all.

Very well spoken.
My family imigrated from Italy in the early1900's Ellis Island first stop!
Then New Jersey...

Paco wrote:

Storm Lake, Iowa is a good example of the devastation unchecked illegal aliens cause in a community. Minimal research reveals the story of how Storm Lake was overrun by illegals hired to work in a meat packing plant. The sudden influx of illegal children into the school system dropped a huge financial burden on the taxpayers. The citizens ended up complaining to Gov. Tom Vilsek about the problems the illegals visited on them. Later in time the big meat packing corporation wanted to build a new plant which would also have illegal workers and Vilsack rejected it. Any argument that illegals "are needed" rather than employing legal immigrants is bogus.

Obviously some people are oblivious to the fact that it was illegal immigrants much like our won forefathers that have enriched and resurrected dying communities in the midwest. Yes, there are some unscrupulous employers that have actually recruited in Mexico and some that have provided worker's with fraudulent documents but that is not the usual employer.

Indyeast wrote:

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I see you side stepped the fact that 12 million is NOT the true number of illegal invaders in the USA.
Amnesty in 1986 was to be and will be the last ever given. Making the same mistake twice is NOT a good idea.
I suppose you don't believe in the reconquista either?
Do some research. Get rid of the admitted reconquistas and then maybe citizens will be willing to compromise.

NOBODY knows the "actual" number of the "illegal" and calling them invaders only adds to the vitriol against people that come here to work without permission just like our founding fathers.

I know "Reconquista" to be a favorite myth that was born out of nativist and Wbite Supremacist groups. If you pay attention, you will find that garbage all over such websites. You will find that hard working immigrants don't even know of the fringe groups that would espouse such a thing.

IRCA 1986 was not a mistake. It didn't go far enough in bringing people out of the shadows and our government slipped the burden of its responsibilities onto employers. Studies have shown that those legalized in 1986 have moved up to better paying jobs and are contributing to the growth of our economy.

alrighty then wrote:

If they were to legalize all those who came here illegally tghen those 12 million should have to pay a hefty fine (on top of whatever fees etc. they would normally pay to come here ) for having come here illegally. They should not be rewarded for coming here illegally and it would benefit the common good to collect said fines.

Agreed! That was a part of the failed reforms.

liz26 wrote:

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Fine, jbr. But how exactly would you propose that those "productive" ones go about becoming citizens? At this point in time, there is NO WAY for "productive" people here illegally to legalize their status, let alone become a citizen. That is the problem that the federal government needs to solve, along with ridding our country of gangbangers, criminals and lazy ones looking for a handout.

Both posts 28 & 29 are correct!

The Watcher wrote:

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That is not true my friend...people from other countries apply for visa's and get them there are many types of visa's you can aquire.
They just don't care about our laws...we should base ours on Mexico's immigration laws....there are many who want to come here from other parts of the world and they don't storm the borders.
Of before I'm called a racist...my family imigrated to this country many moons ago....they went through Ellis Island....Legaly

Yes, but those are usually people that are highly skilled. The government has a list of jobs such as in nursing where we have a critical need and they can come here with relative ease.

The same does not hold true for those in the unskilled category. There only viable option is illegal entry. BTW, Illegal Entry occurs at the border. Once the person is in the interior, unless they've been deported before, are not commonly charged with that offense because it is an act that is not considered a "continuing offense". Hence, to call those in the interior "criminals" is legally incorrect.

Delaware Bob wrote:

Although the law has not been voted on yet, I can't put into words how proud I am of Mr. Metcalfe and his stand on illegal immigration. He is right up there with Randy Terrill, Russell Pearce and other State Legislators that want an end to this illegal immigration.
What gives these ILLEGAL ALIENS the right to enter this Country without going through proper channels? What gives them the right to use false documents or a stolen identity? What gives them the right to demonstrate on American soil and demand AMNESTY? What gives them the right to drop an ANCHOR BABY and have the American taxpayer pay for it?...then pay to educate it? What gives them the right to rape the American taxpayer by being on Welfare because of the ANCHOR BABY?...or a stolen identity?
What gives them the right to drive without a drivers license and car insurance? Why is it the American taxpayer has to pay for their deportation when they shouldn't have been here in the first place to be deported? How about our overcrowded jails with ILLEGAL ALIENS, and our overcrowded schools with the ANCHOR BABIES? Need I go on with all the problems, just so some un-American companies can have cheap labor.
Let's not forget the BILLIONS sent back to these countries...money we'll never see again.
It's time to put an end to this illegal immigration! Mr. Metcalfe, get that law out of committee and get it passed! I'm working on Delaware.

What many people conveniently ignore is that those already here are part of the American fabric. What we do to them will have an impact on us. Denying them licenses makes our roads less safe. Denying them the ability to fill the jobs that we need done will have a devastating affect on our economy, our growth and our security. ENFORCEMENT ONLY makes no sense at any level. It's basically what we've been doing with the new fence and new laws and they only make matters worse. It's easier and basically in our best interest to bring these people out of the shadows so that we know who they are, what they bring to the mix and how to best plan for the future. Of course, we get rid of the gangs, and the violent criminals.

Anchor Baby is a pejorative word for American Citizens. Any time that phrase is used, it is referring to American Citizens. That happens to be the same way you and I come to call ourselves citizens, by being born here.

Much is said about the money that is sent to Mexico to support families left behind. What most people are blind to is that they send roughly 10% of their earning back home, as most legal immigrants tend to do as well, which means that 90% of their earning remains here and that is important to our economic growth.

Brittanicus wrote:

If it's something to do with enforcing our immigration laws, the special interest lobby will crawl out of the sewer to stop its enactment. Just like the SAVE ACT (H.R.4088) a Federal bill, the laggard Democrats don't want voted into law. Corruption has manifested itself, as house Speaker Nancy Pelosi has used intimidation to stop her clan from endorsing this legislation. Ice has a free Tipline: 1-866-DHS-2ICE for intelligence to locate illegal aliens, or predatory businesses that employ them.
Predatory employers would be arrested, fined and possibly imprisoned and millions of illegal aliens would leave of their own accord. It would give (ICE) more funding and build the US border patrol up to 20.000 more agents in strength. This national law would also begin to remove criminal aliens from our society. It would give extra teeth to all immigration laws now on the books. Demand the SAVE ACT!(2022243121 ) Unsuppressed details at NUMBERSUSA.

The SAVE ACT is basically the old losing HR 4437 in different window dressing. It belongs in the sewer.