Letter to the Editor: Single payer care is the way to go

Termite:
I have found over time that labeling someone is a simple way to avoid facts. Some may call me a "Right Winger" but I reject the term just as if I were socialist leaning and being called a "Left Wing Looney." Name calling doesn't accomplish anything; it only infuses eventual hatred in our discussions.
I admit I am conservative in the sense my wife and I only had as many children as we could afford, we waited UNTIL we were married to have children, we stopped half of our social life when we had children in order to put away money for their college (both have degrees), we don't drink or smoke, and we have health insurance as well as long term care insurance. I would point out that we are both 'pro-choice' which, using labels, would make us liberals and yes, we're judgmental. Judgmental in the fact we don't like paying for other people's mistakes.

Most of you still beleive the cival war was fought over slavery too.

Try reading the constitution some time and you will find out how much the government already over steps its authority.

as for the powers of congress as definded in the US constitution they are:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

This is also an interesting line by line breakdown of the preamble.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_pre.ht...

It is to long to post here so here is the link.

worldinspector wrote:

What's really weird about these pro-business, anti-people anti-health care reform "conservatives" is that one of the main reasons American companies have trouble competing in the global economy is that every other major nation in the world takes care of its' citizens' health while in the U.S. companies must bear the burden, which averages about $8,000 per employee! In Japan, Korea and throughout Europe, etc., these costs are born by the government.

A big reason we can't compete in the global economy is because we have placed too many requirments on businesses (ie environmental paranoia, unemployment insurance, minimum wage, entitlement subsidies, cap and trade, etc.) How can you have economic equality when you have no manufacturing jobs?

Why do you think everything is made in China? Do they require any of this stuff? Do they give a hoot about their workers? I'm not saying they're right, but we can't compete with that.

And those governments that provide health care, do so with their own special money to cover the cost? Maybe they figured out how to grow it on trees.

Or maybe they just collect it with other methods from their citizens like every government. Again, income redistribution / socialism / control. For now, US businesses charge more for their products and services to cover the insurance costs and it is considered part of a worker's salary. I approve of this approach because it ensures you get the benefit if you actually work for it, not because you merely breathe and take up space.

Spartacus wrote:

What's really weird about these pro-business, anti-people anti-health care reform "conservatives" is that one of the main reasons American companies have trouble competing in the global economy is that every other major nation in the world takes care of its' citizens' health while in the U.S. companies must bear the burden, which averages about $8,000 per employee! The average U.S. built auto, for example, costs $1,500 more to manufacture, right off the top, simply because of the cost of providing health care to the auto workers. In Japan, Korea and throughout Europe, etc., these costs are born by the government.
Which means that the aniti-American, anti-people, anti-God Republican right-wingers who hate their fellow Americans and don't want them to have health care are not only insane but self-contradictory.
Yea pro-business. Without business we wouldn't have jobs. We are not anti-people or anti-reform.( Who appointed you spokeman for the "right wing" a term you cannot seem to make a post without using.) We don't want a failed government in control of our health care. The foreign costs are borne "by the government?" Really? Where do those governments get the money? What do you base your accusations upon that we hate Americans, God and people? You paint what you want us to look like, not as we are. You like Marlin, have to invent boogeymen to attack because your claims are baseless.

Countries like Venezuela, North Korea, and Cuba take care of the citizens? All three have been praised by this administration or the current leadership in congress. Yeah, they take care of them all right.

Tom wrote:

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Countries like Venezuela, North Korea, and Cuba take care of the citizens? All three have been praised by this administration or the current leadership in congress. Yeah, they take care of them all right.

Their life span expectancy is longer than the U.S.. Figure that out Tummy?

I agree single payer is the only way to go. Why should we the tax payers be forced to pay for any sort of public employees health benifits when the non public employees have trouble paying for thier own policy. I would love to see all elected officials and public employees health benifits stripped and then with the forced tax money saved I would have no trouble paying for my own.Most people out thier have no clue what single policys cost they are tied into someones elses policy are working in the taxpayer supported system .call and get A price for yourself and you will see something has to change most people cannot afford health care and if you think they can quit your taxpayer supported job and get off taxpayer welfare.

space rat wrote:

I agree single payer is the only way to go. Why should we the tax payers be forced to pay for any sort of public employees health benifits when the non public employees have trouble paying for thier own policy. I would love to see all elected officials and public employees health benifits stripped and then with the forced tax money saved I would have no trouble paying for my own.Most people out thier have no clue what single policys cost they are tied into someones elses policy are working in the taxpayer supported system .call and get A price for yourself and you will see something has to change most people cannot afford health care and if you think they can quit your taxpayer supported job and get off taxpayer welfare.

The key word there is '''employees'''
Figure out what you just said!

Perhaps you are just misinformed-- public employees pay for health cared just as you do, through their employer, with the employer paying part!

It's not free!

Think about this -- without public employees you would not get your welfare check!

You want to see great health care look at union employees!

LIL JOHN wrote:

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The key word there is '''employees'''
Figure out what you just said!
Perhaps you are just misinformed-- public employees pay for health cared just as you do, through their employer, with the employer paying part!
It's not free!
Think about this -- without public employees you would not get your welfare check!
You want to see great health care look at union employees!

Ah! So you're retired Leisurkenny worker. Living off the fat of the U.S.. I knew I smelled something. Like Bacon!

Tex wrote:

<quoted text> Their life span expectancy is longer than the U.S.. Figure that out Tummy?

Whats the poverty rate of those countries Texa76?

If the repukes had their way the poverty rate in the U.S. Would catch up to Cuba. Nothing like getting the rich, richer. Maybe less Possum pot pie would keep the locals alive longer? But, they again, what do you guys care, as long as the NeoCons win.

Tex wrote:

<quoted text> Their life span expectancy is longer than the U.S.. Figure that out Tummy?

Why can't you check your facts before you flap your yap!!

Korea, North
male: 61.23 years
female: 66.53 years (2009 est.)

USA
male: 75.65 years
female: 80.69 years (2009 est

Venezuela
male: 70.54 years
female: 76.83 years (2009 est.)

Typical case of tex bloin himself off again!
Why is it people of your political persuasion put the country you live in down at every chance you get!

It's not a wonder that Obama has to apologize at every chance he gets for proplr like you!

Single payer is the way to go.

The insurance companies create a clearing system on their own without a dime of taxpayer money. They run it without a single federal employee in the building.

All the savings are seen throuout the system, single payer is a reality. One place to bill and recieve payment. All private. No taxes.

Then tack on interstate competition and tort reform. Still go after medicare/medicaid fraud and put the 'savings' toward the debt.

Everyone gets what they want. Single payer, no new taxes and a lower debt. Competition is increased dramatically and doctors malpractice fees and unnecessary lawsuit prevention medicine falls.

LIL JOHN wrote:

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The key word there is '''employees'''
Figure out what you just said!
Perhaps you are just misinformed-- public employees pay for health cared just as you do, through their employer, with the employer paying part!
It's not free!
Think about this -- without public employees you would not get your welfare check!
You want to see great health care look at union employees!

So who's supporting you, deadbeat? You obviously can't be working with all the time you spend on here. Or are you doing all this ranting on the boss' dime?

Why don't we all quit working and let the government feed us, give us clothing, house us in government housing, O and provide health care (actually require us to buy health care or go to jail) I guess that will take care of all the above wouldn't it.

who knows wrote:

Why don't we all quit working and let the government feed us, give us clothing, house us in government housing, O and provide health care (actually require us to buy health care or go to jail) I guess that will take care of all the above wouldn't it.

"buy healthcare or go to jail" LOL! That's right up there with death panels. What'll the wingnuts think of next?