Two NMMI cadets suspended for hazing

The SEALs do the same thing when they get their trident. Big whoop.

Marines do it too....

Maybe the SEALS and the Marines do it, but I don't believe STUDENTS should be doing it! Hazing has been around for a long time, sometimes with deadly results. I really don't see the point in it. Gangs do the same thing in their iniations, but maybe just different terminology--think they call it "jumping in".

So you're comparing SEALs, Marines and NMMI students to those idiots in gangs?

Btw, Navy enlisted do it too when they make E-4. It's called Tacking on the Crow.

Gourry wrote:

So you're comparing SEALs, Marines and NMMI students to those idiots in gangs?
Btw, Navy enlisted do it too when they make E-4. It's called Tacking on the Crow.

I'm not making comparisons--it is done by many--just different terminology. The students could not have been very smart as they are not in school at the moment! It has been deadly in some cases.

Well "blood bars" are fine for men but not 14 year
old boys. My entire family(dad, husband, brother-in-law, sister, and cousins)are in the military, and we have no issue with this rite, but it is a
different story when it is done on skinny little kids!!! My father, who is in Iraq, was appalled when I told him this happened, especially since we
are planning on sending our son there next year.

The students that received the blood-bars did so on a completely voluntary basis. No one forces anyone to receive the blood bars because that would in fact be hazing and no one here wants to get kicked out for something so stupid, but blood bars are a long standing tradition and right of passage at NMMI. Two tiny holes poked in your chest can hardly result in death...that is a ridiculous statement. NMMI just can't figure out the difference between hazing and tradition, and yes there is a difference.

By the way, the two cadets who were kicked out had near perfect records while several cadets remain who have upwards of 500 demerits and over 200 tours (My roommate was kicked out as a result of having 120 demerits). There is no standard here as far as punishment goes. Despite its problems, however, I would recommend NMMI for any high school or college male, but never a female. Please, don't put your daughters here for their sake...women become something unrecognizable from what they were outside NMMI after a few months, and almost always in the worst way.

Gourry wrote:

The SEALs do the same thing when they get their trident. Big whoop.

and that makes it ok????
you are not to bright are you, basically if i walk town main street and do it it's ok too right?

Cadet wrote:

The students that received the blood-bars did so on a completely voluntary basis. No one forces anyone to receive the blood bars because that would in fact be hazing and no one here wants to get kicked out for something so stupid, but blood bars are a long standing tradition and right of passage at NMMI. Two tiny holes poked in your chest can hardly result in death...that is a ridiculous statement. NMMI just can't figure out the difference between hazing and tradition, and yes there is a difference.
By the way, the two cadets who were kicked out had near perfect records while several cadets remain who have upwards of 500 demerits and over 200 tours (My roommate was kicked out as a result of having 120 demerits). There is no standard here as far as punishment goes. Despite its problems, however, I would recommend NMMI for any high school or college male, but never a female. Please, don't put your daughters here for their sake...women become something unrecognizable from what they were outside NMMI after a few months, and almost always in the worst way.

i will ask you again since you avoidet my question in the other forum.
do you really believe your post makes everything ok??? if it does i hope they did it to you to

Geeeez, Jessy!

You sound like the folks that equate slapping your kid's hand when he's reaching out to touch the red-hot burner on the stove, to knocking him down and beating the crap out of him for not taking out the garbage. Get some perspective. Wimps and Milquetoasts never achieve anything but a sad, unremarkable existence.

Cadet wrote:

The students that received the blood-bars did so on a completely voluntary basis. No one forces anyone to receive the blood bars because that would in fact be hazing and no one here wants to get kicked out for something so stupid, but blood bars are a long standing tradition and right of passage at NMMI. Two tiny holes poked in your chest can hardly result in death...that is a ridiculous statement. NMMI just can't figure out the difference between hazing and tradition, and yes there is a difference.
By the way, the two cadets who were kicked out had near perfect records while several cadets remain who have upwards of 500 demerits and over 200 tours (My roommate was kicked out as a result of having 120 demerits). There is no standard here as far as punishment goes. Despite its problems, however, I would recommend NMMI for any high school or college male, but never a female. Please, don't put your daughters here for their sake...women become something unrecognizable from what they were outside NMMI after a few months, and almost always in the worst way.

Please explain what you believe happens to the girls.

Gregg in Buffalo wrote:

Geeeez, Jessy!
You sound like the folks that equate slapping your kid's hand when he's reaching out to touch the red-hot burner on the stove, to knocking him down and beating the crap out of him for not taking out the garbage. Get some perspective. Wimps and Milquetoasts never achieve anything but a sad, unremarkable existence.

see you got me wrong, my kids get a spanking when needet, but this is not right and it is sad i hope you attend that school and get this great treatment! you need it

jessy from roswell wrote:

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i will ask you again since you avoidet my question in the other forum.
do you really believe your post makes everything ok??? if it does i hope they did it to you to

They didn't do it to me because I didn't want them. That's my point. Yeah I do think it's OK to enact a tradition on those who ask to have it done on them. If it was involuntary then yes, there would be a problem with it, but in this case it was clearly an overreaction to kick these kids out over something which has been a NMMI tradition for years. Blood-bars leave no lasting damage, and the pain is momentary to say the least. It's the idea of being accepted into NMMI as a yearling that it's all about, not the pain inflicted on the recipient.

Frisky Smith wrote:

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Please explain what you believe happens to the girls.

In my experience, girls who might have in other environments had extreme competition for the attention of attractive boys get overwhelmed by a 7:1 guy to girl ratio and have insane amounts of male attention. There are a few girls here who can cope with that and understand that it often has more to do with supply and demand than an actual emotional attraction. To put it less than gently, the majority of girls here are not virgins and of those who are not virgins a vast majority have slept with more than three separate guys in this school year alone. When they go here for four full years and are surrounded by that sort of constant attention...it's more than attention really...most are consumed by it. If they don't "put out" they don't get the same attention the girls who do are getting and since looks here are all dictated by uniform standards, it becomes almost impossible to stand out physically from the other girls, thus they have to resort to actions to steal that attention back. It's disgusting in a lot of ways, and from my own experience here, I have decided not only never to send my daughters, if ever I have any, to a military school, but also to advise anyone I come in contact with who is thinking about it from doing the same.

Cadet wrote:

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They didn't do it to me because I didn't want them. That's my point. Yeah I do think it's OK to enact a tradition on those who ask to have it done on them. If it was involuntary then yes, there would be a problem with it, but in this case it was clearly an overreaction to kick these kids out over something which has been a NMMI tradition for years. Blood-bars leave no lasting damage, and the pain is momentary to say the least. It's the idea of being accepted into NMMI as a yearling that it's all about, not the pain inflicted on the recipient.

ok so you claim that these kids waned to get beat and then they ran crying to momy???

jessy from roswell wrote:

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ok so you claim that these kids waned to get beat and then they ran crying to momy???

First of all, they didn't get beat. Second of all, the kids who got the blood-bars didn't turn the other two in. It was someone else who didn't turn from new cadet to yearling who turned them in. Jessy, I'm curious, where does your information come from? It seems to me that nothing you've said thus far has come from any source but your own mind, and that, quite frankly, frightens me as you claim to have a law degree. What are they teaching in law schools these days?

Cadet wrote:

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First of all, they didn't get beat. Second of all, the kids who got the blood-bars didn't turn the other two in. It was someone else who didn't turn from new cadet to yearling who turned them in. Jessy, I'm curious, where does your information come from? It seems to me that nothing you've said thus far has come from any source but your own mind, and that, quite frankly, frightens me as you claim to have a law degree. What are they teaching in law schools these days?

well manors for one which nmmi fail to do!!! ohh no hold on my parents thought me that. i wana see a cadett who can say i have mannors, and i would love to meet them!

because that would be the only way to convince me that any cadet even knows what manors are!

jessy from roswell wrote:

because that would be the only way to convince me that any cadet even knows what manors are!

A "manor" is a large house. And no, I'm not quite so fortunate as to have one of those. Manners, however, I do have and have displayed in far greater abundance than you. I seriously seriously doubt you have the "manors" to sit at a formal dinner with elegance and know what to do and when. We, however, are taught, if not by our parents then by the institute, how to behave in particular social settings. I don't recall McDonalds being a particularly formal environment, however, and doubt very much if anyone would repay your "here take your food you little brat" attitude with something resembling manners...I doubt very much if even I could bring myself to be anything more than polite to you.

lol cadet, do you speak more than one language, and is english your first?
i was neither born or raised in this country. so again as i said earlier, go to the border and teach illegals! be happy i speak the freaking language, and i dont expect american to speak mine.
LMAO nobody tought yall manors, these little pricks are rude as hell!!!
and where the heck did you get mcdonalds from, seriously