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Jul 20, 2008
 
Tom wrote:
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You are so racist, it's sickening. Every comment that you make on these forums are all racist. I've heard that Virginia is a racist state and your one of them. All you ever say is crack, crack, crack, you must be a recovering drug addict. Peace and happiness comes within your inner self.
You know what I was wondering if I was the only one seeing that...and I too have heard how racist whites re in Virginia...
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I see that racism and ignorance is alive. Ladies and gentlemen The NAACP are Americans that have the right to protest against injustice, just as you have a right to Spew your racist comments. I wonder how the African American soldiers feel when they read the crap in your post, yet you and John McCain claim you support the troops.
People are dying this is not a joke or a game.
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If you try to "rub it in", you're falling into their trap. Bigots in the majority can afford to be @nal-retentive. The minority can't. If people get tired of hearing you, they'll pile on until they shut you down and you can't claim to be a victim if you're engaging in tit-for-tat tactics.
i know but they are idiots because they have the same theme over and over and sometimes when I like to break my boredom, I answer..
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OK. What you're saying is that you want an independent Black nation? You can't have two sets of laws in one system. Capitalism can't exist without laws and enforcement.
It's a viable concept but I wouldn't expect an enourmous ammount of success. Countries like Haiti or Liberia haven't overwhelmed the world with their vital economies.
Personally, I think you're being a bit simple about finance Who exactly is going to be extending loans to your brethren? The closest example of what you seem to be concieving is probably the system in place in many arabic countries. They aren't known for having very robust economies either. They just have temporary wealth from oil and it is mostly spent on wars and aristocratic trappings for the Westerners who come to visit.
Your hypothetical nation will have to have enough nationalism and honor to not allow itself to be sold off to the weapons merchants. For the most part, I don't trust any young nation to hold the line there.
the Asian live here and they have their own economic system. The Africans had it too before they went white.

Any "black" nation can't make it because if they don't cooperate and let europeans control their resources, then they will be shut out of the marketplace. However China may change that. Perhaps russia too, but indian is to whitewashed, they are not their own people.
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BARACK HUSSEIN OSLAYA wrote:
the barick hussein oslaya tells the naacp to go f themselves!
vote for me i really will tell these race baiters where they can shove it, up dey black a s s es
Go take a bath.
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blackinjun wrote:
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the Asian live here and they have their own economic system. The Africans had it too before they went white.
Any "black" nation can't make it because if they don't cooperate and let europeans control their resources, then they will be shut out of the marketplace. However China may change that. Perhaps russia too, but indian is to whitewashed, they are not their own people.
Perhaps statistically, Blacks just don't save enough of what they earn. It's not necessarily a fault but it could actually be cultural. No cold winters and less arable land doesn't make saving resources as good a strategy.

There are way too many factors to strategize about. Like everyone else, the Black community will just have to stick it out with trial and error.
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Jul 21, 2008
 
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Perhaps statistically, Blacks just don't save enough of what they earn. It's not necessarily a fault but it could actually be cultural. No cold winters and less arable land doesn't make saving resources as good a strategy.
There are way too many factors to strategize about. Like everyone else, the Black community will just have to stick it out with trial and error.
is you response about "savings" for the Black individual or black nations?

I think individually whites and blacks have a problem with savings. As a nation, again it's a matter of international econo-politics that hampers Black countries.
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Jul 21, 2008
 
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is you response about "savings" for the Black individual or black nations?
I think individually whites and blacks have a problem with savings. As a nation, again it's a matter of international econo-politics that hampers Black countries.
Both or neither.

Think about it this way. Modern economics is about capital and accumulating capital is the only way to fund operations that would normally be too ambitious for a community to accomplish on their own.

In order to accumulate capital, one has to protect existing capital. In the traditional tribal scope of survival, there are a lot of competitors for food and other resources, many of which were/are completely beyond control of the community. You cannot save a bumper crop unless you have a way to protect and preserve it. Hot, wet climates, insects and warring neighbors all contribute to create an economy where it is impractical to try to save in the event of disaster. It's actually more strategic to have a high mortality rate because you have too many uncontrollable events.

Now, what happens when you reach the threshold of being able to control those events but not the outside influences? Simply put, you do allow foreign investment but only as long as it remains mutually beneficial.

The only problem is that those foreign investors aren't dumb. You've got to give them something that improves your and their position in the world.

As is, Africa is being pillaged for resources. As an example, the De Beers diamond mines earn earn 6.5 billion American dollars a year as of 2005.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Beers

African governments are taking their cut but I seriously doubt that the public ever sees any of that bounty. The only thing holding back exploitation is the general political instability of the region.

The local governments COULD cooperate and use their resources and wealth to improve the infrastructure of their countries but why don't they?

Culture.

The people aren't living in the neolithic. They simply have to modernize and that will mean change.

Given the nature of the world, what would you invest in? The answer is fairly simple. Invest in things that can't be stolen for profit. Invest in irrigation and schools and let people who are interested in the financial well being of De Beers do the police work, just make sure that you can kick them out if they get out of control.

Until SOMEONE actually brings the warlords under control, these countries will continually be dragged back into the past.

Consider Japan's history if you want to see a good example of a colonial territory moving to embrace change and keep control of their own destiny.(Just don't create a global war as part of your Coming-out party!)

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Jul 21, 2008
 
George N wrote:
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You are falling for this wolf in sheeps clothing's BS. He mght be talking in front of blacks, but he wants whites to hear this insincere ranting. Gullible schmucks hear HOW WELL he delivers words they want to hear. This two-faced radical has a paper trail a mile long. He makes Al and Jesse look moderate.
Time will reveal the truth.
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Jul 21, 2008
 
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The NAACP started back in the slavery days dummy. Back when whites abused and killed blacks for no reason.
the way to cure all this black racist crap is to spay/nueter the litte black infants at birth and that will solve the problem of welfare,crime,hate,drugrelated killings and population explosion so fat mamma can collect some welfare and the kids can grow up and not know who their daddy is. SPAY AND NEUTER IS THE ANSWER FOR BLACKS
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Perhaps statistically, Blacks just don't save enough of what they earn. It's not necessarily a fault but it could actually be cultural. No cold winters and less arable land doesn't make saving resources as good a strategy.
There are way too many factors to strategize about. Like everyone else, the Black community will just have to stick it out with trial and error.
IF YOU VOTE FOR ME I PROMISE TO SEND ALL THE BLACKS, SORRY AFRO AMERICANS BACK TO AFRICA, THEIR HOME LAND AND WILL CUT CRIME BY 95.6% DRUG RELATED ISSUES BY 90% KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE BY 90% LOOK AT THE STATS, VOTE FOR ME AND WE'LL SET YOU FREE.(IF THEY CAN'T PAY FOR THEIR OWN TICKETS THEY CAN SWIM BACK
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hereforgood wrote:
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4 more years? Dude, it'll NEVER end from all angles.
I THINK WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THE SLAVE DAYS BEFORE LINCOLN FREED THEM. THEIR OWN KING SOLD THEM INTO SLAVERY.
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hold on wrote:
<quoted text>the way to cure all this black racist crap is to spay/nueter the litte black infants at birth and that will solve the problem of welfare,crime,hate,drugrelated killings and population explosion so fat mamma can collect some welfare and the kids can grow up and not know who their daddy is. SPAY AND NEUTER IS THE ANSWER FOR BLACKS
1. Turn on your oven.
2. Make sure there are gas fumes.
3. Stick your head inside.
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Both or neither.
Think about it this way. Modern economics is about capital and accumulating capital is the only way to fund operations that would normally be too ambitious for a community to accomplish on their own.
In order to accumulate capital, one has to protect existing capital. In the traditional tribal scope of survival, there are a lot of competitors for food and other resources, many of which were/are completely beyond control of the community. You cannot save a bumper crop unless you have a way to protect and preserve it. Hot, wet climates, insects and warring neighbors all contribute to create an economy where it is impractical to try to save in the event of disaster. It's actually more strategic to have a high mortality rate because you have too many uncontrollable events.
Now, what happens when you reach the threshold of being able to control those events but not the outside influences? Simply put, you do allow foreign investment but only as long as it remains mutually beneficial.
The only problem is that those foreign investors aren't dumb. You've got to give them something that improves your and their position in the world.
As is, Africa is being pillaged for resources. As an example, the De Beers diamond mines earn earn 6.5 billion American dollars a year as of 2005.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Beers
African governments are taking their cut but I seriously doubt that the public ever sees any of that bounty. The only thing holding back exploitation is the general political instability of the region.
The local governments COULD cooperate and use their resources and wealth to improve the infrastructure of their countries but why don't they?
Culture.
The people aren't living in the neolithic. They simply have to modernize and that will mean change.
Given the nature of the world, what would you invest in? The answer is fairly simple. Invest in things that can't be stolen for profit. Invest in irrigation and schools and let people who are interested in the financial well being of De Beers do the police work, just make sure that you can kick them out if they get out of control.
Until SOMEONE actually brings the warlords under control, these countries will continually be dragged back into the past.
Consider Japan's history if you want to see a good example of a colonial territory moving to embrace change and keep control of their own destiny.(Just don't create a global war as part of your Coming-out party!)
Anon, if you don't mind, I really don't want to think in terms of a european world view, it doesn't work. "modern economics" is a sham of white supremacy. neo colonialism is a sham of white supremacy. education (from a european venue) is a sham of white supremacy. Japan (the token "minoirity on the g-8) is a sham of white supremacy.

I'm telling you, it doesn't work, the euro techno-social order will destroy us all.
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hold on wrote:
<quoted text>IF YOU VOTE FOR ME I PROMISE TO SEND ALL THE BLACKS, SORRY AFRO AMERICANS BACK TO AFRICA, THEIR HOME LAND AND WILL CUT CRIME BY 95.6% DRUG RELATED ISSUES BY 90% KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE BY 90% LOOK AT THE STATS, VOTE FOR ME AND WE'LL SET YOU FREE.(IF THEY CAN'T PAY FOR THEIR OWN TICKETS THEY CAN SWIM BACK
You know, I figured that speculating on what kind of culture works in Haiti or Africa would bring the kooks out of the woodwork.

Two simple truths:

Africa is the beginning of all humanity and most of our significant evolutionary changes began there.

American Blacks are not in Africa, nor are they pureblood Africans. Perhaps it feels good to go through the motions of reviving customs from the ancestral country but it's here and now. They are no more African than I am a European.

Obama and most Americans are no different. They just bully when they can get away with it. The rest of us simply need to make sure that bullies don't get away with their tricks.

My point: Don't waste your time on trying to get support from limo liberals. They've invented the Gay as the fashionable victim of the status-quo. No one from THAT party will ever get their hands dirty. Obama should be thinking about ANY possible people to recruit other than limo liberals.

Obama should be showing more obvious commitment to working people by now. November isn't that far away. Both candidates should have a choice for VP by now.
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Jul 22, 2008
 
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You know, I figured that speculating on what kind of culture works in Haiti or Africa would bring the kooks out of the woodwork.
Two simple truths:
Africa is the beginning of all humanity and most of our significant evolutionary changes began there.
American Blacks are not in Africa, nor are they pureblood Africans. Perhaps it feels good to go through the motions of reviving customs from the ancestral country but it's here and now. They are no more African than I am a European.
Obama and most Americans are no different. They just bully when they can get away with it. The rest of us simply need to make sure that bullies don't get away with their tricks.
My point: Don't waste your time on trying to get support from limo liberals. They've invented the Gay as the fashionable victim of the status-quo. No one from THAT party will ever get their hands dirty. Obama should be thinking about ANY possible people to recruit other than limo liberals.
Obama should be showing more obvious commitment to working people by now. November isn't that far away. Both candidates should have a choice for VP by now.
They are no more African than I am a European.-Anon

So are you saying that geography determines whether you ascribe to a cultural world view?

If not, then what makes you non european? Don't you believe in the same cultural ideas as let's say people in England, France, Germany? don't you believe in private property, individualism, freedom, democracy, capitalism, etc.?
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Jul 22, 2008
 
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They are no more African than I am a European.-Anon
So are you saying that geography determines whether you ascribe to a cultural world view?
If not, then what makes you non european? Don't you believe in the same cultural ideas as let's say people in England, France, Germany? don't you believe in private property, individualism, freedom, democracy, capitalism, etc.?
I am an American. My ancestory is a conglomeration of several European states and possibly some non-Europeans.

We started the first modern democracy. Surely you agree that America is far removed from the old order of dynastic aristocracies which still hold on in parts of Europe.

We've been an agent of change. If we resemble parts of Europe today, it's because they have co-opted our culture.

You say that like it's an accusation. Many things could be worse than American culture. Don't be too ready to listen to seditious propaganda.
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Anonymous1 wrote:
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I am an American. My ancestory is a conglomeration of several European states and possibly some non-Europeans.
We started the first modern democracy. Surely you agree that America is far removed from the old order of dynastic aristocracies which still hold on in parts of Europe.
We've been an agent of change. If we resemble parts of Europe today, it's because they have co-opted our culture.
You say that like it's an accusation. Many things could be worse than American culture. Don't be too ready to listen to seditious propaganda.
since when has "American" been an ethnicity? Oh I keep forgeting, the great white europeans can declare that Blacks in the U.S. can be racist and make it so, regardless of logic.
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Wrong definition of "putz" Jeeves. I guess you took a trip down to your ol' fishing hole after all. Next time, try a Yiddish dictionary, not your personal Chinese finger puzzle.
I pity the person who has to use the keyboard after you.
((chucklin')) Nope, I saw y'alls little name for the definition. Don't worry, y'all will be able to maintain that status for some time to come..

Sorry about the keyboard, but unlike y'all, I don't have to use the library to communicate.
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So much error...

First, there is no such thing as a "limo liberal". This is simply Rush Limbaugh rhetoric, like all conservative rap, intended to confuse the uninformed. The tens of millions of people who supported Senators Clinton and Obama in the primaries do not ride in limousines. It is the corporate masters of the Republicans in the limos. Do please get a grip on reality.

As for ethnicity... you might want to note that Europeans and Africans BOTH laugh at both white and black Yanks. White and black Yanks are FAR more similar to each other culturally than either is to any ethnic group in Europe or Africa.

Racism has caused an ethnic divide based on skin color. Without this racism, European and African immigrants to the USA would have mixed and we'd have some other name for them. As it is, we continue to label these two very related (by culture and ancestry) groups by the colors "white" and "black" which reflects the history of racism in the USA.

To the rest of the world, "white" and "black" Americans are loud, tacky, childish, arrogant, strutting and very annoying bastards. Both of you should strive to improve that image, by improving yourselves.

Getting in touch with the real indigenous cultures of Europe and Africa is a good thing. It can only contribute to the improvement you both so sorely need.
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