Colorado Shooting Rekindles Gun Control Debate

Jul 22, 2012 Full story: Roll Call 5,107

Sen. Dianne Feinstein called for increased gun control in the wake of last week's Colorado shooting, saying it may have helped prevent the tragic incident.

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“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#1433 Aug 9, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>No, what I stated is that you could not show a US citizine tried and convicted in a US Court SOLELY on the basis of a treaty. I clearly stated that implementing laws were the key.

You want to go back and review this thing post by post? I will admit I am wrong if I am, will you?
Yes you are correct on this point.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#1434 Aug 9, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>I don't disagree with that. But treaties deal with our relations with other countries and not within ourselves. A good example would be the ABM treaty that President bush unilaterally broke with Russia without any consent of Congress. Another would be the Treaty with Korea over its nuclear program that Clinton made, the Senate approved and then Congress refused to fund.

Name one American citizen that has ever been arrested, tried and convicted based solely on a treaty. A treaty is meaningless without the legal framework to back it up.
You didn't disagree with where's my America.
Now you disagree with me saying the same thing.

“Get RIGHT or be left”

Since: Nov 07

www.dreamindemon.com

#1435 Aug 9, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>
And you are going to raise taxes at the state level how much to do this?
Some of the things you say makes it appear that you speak in a vacuum. Meaning that you don't think your ideas have secondary or tertiery effects.
Your state just got through laying off how many teachers and what has their pay increased over the last 4 - 5 years?
Of course here is an after effect.

No reversal of a bad direction will be accomplished without some pain.

Poor government union teachers! Maybe hey could QUALIFY for a job in he /private sector or a charter school!

?Pay increases are a guarantee?P

What was the private sector pay increase over the same time period?
Amused

Seattle, WA

#1436 Aug 9, 2012
Jeff T in MPLS wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course here is an after effect.
No reversal of a bad direction will be accomplished without some pain.
Poor government union teachers! Maybe hey could QUALIFY for a job in he /private sector or a charter school!
?Pay increases are a guarantee?P
What was the private sector pay increase over the same time period?
Take a do-over queen jeffy...We see.... why you hate teachers. LMAOROTFu~!

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#1437 Aug 10, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
So true.
I just purchased a piece of history from way back. Winchester 1885 with a patent date of Oct. 7 1879. I think it's my new favorite.
Nice, superb piece of history. My current oldest is an 1873 Springfield trap door. It shoots old black powder 45-70 government. I do enjoy shooting black powder. Donít care for the cleanup which comes later the *same* day.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#1438 Aug 10, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>Nice, superb piece of history. My current oldest is an 1873 Springfield trap door. It shoots old black powder 45-70 government. I do enjoy shooting black powder. Don’t care for the cleanup which comes later the *same* day.
I hear that. The clean up IS a pain.
Makes you wonder how they did it in the Civil War. What did they use for bore butter? Lol.

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#1439 Aug 10, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't disagree with where's my America.
Now you disagree with me saying the same thing.
Unless I agreed with the other guy, I am disagreeing with the both of you.

On threads the assumption is that all participants are reading and it is not necessary to post the same thing to everyone.

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#1440 Aug 10, 2012
Jeff T in MPLS wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course here is an after effect.
No reversal of a bad direction will be accomplished without some pain.
Poor government union teachers! Maybe hey could QUALIFY for a job in he /private sector or a charter school!
?Pay increases are a guarantee?P
What was the private sector pay increase over the same time period?
First, I failed to express my point clearly. It had nothing to do with teachers but the fact that the state was hurting for money and has taken many steps to deal with that shortage. One of those steps was laying off teachers and foregoing pay increases. But they did the same thing to police, fire and other local and state workers; the released prisoners from jail and prison due to cost; they cut back on services and programs to include assistance to the mentally ill.

Now given all of that, you want to add additional expenses to the state and local governments as they assume responsibilities currently performed at the federal level.

BTW: Many states do not allow teachers to have active unions.

Private pay increases in the private sector depends on where you work. At the bottom is has sucked, as an executive it has been richly rewarding. Your point is what, it is absolutely fair and right that executives get richly rewarded for laying people off and holding their salaries and wages down, right?

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#1441 Aug 10, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>Unless I agreed with the other guy, I am disagreeing with the both of you.

On threads the assumption is that all participants are reading and it is not necessary to post the same thing to everyone.
That was your post that said you didn't disagree with him.
Patriot

Antioch, TN

#1442 Aug 10, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice, superb piece of history. My current oldest is an 1873 Springfield trap door. It shoots old black powder 45-70 government. I do enjoy shooting black powder. Donít care for the cleanup which comes later the *same* day.
use near boiling soapy water, swab out bore. Then some military bore cleaner. In a pinch Hoppes would work, but the older military bore cleaner was good on corrosive ammo. If one does not clean black poweder arms soon, it will be a rust bucket within an overnight delay.I used to Civil War reenact, I have had to clean muskets/revolvers.They are a blast to shoot, but a mess to clean.

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#1443 Aug 10, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
That was your post that said you didn't disagree with him.
That was my post that said I did not disagree with a part of what he was saying. I think the whole post left my intent clear.

Since: Feb 11

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#1444 Aug 10, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm simply pointing out that you obviously do NOT know the definition of MISFIRE.
Misfire: to fail to go off as expected.

Do you expect a pistol to fire whenever it is dropped?

Are you trying to divert away from the people who are killed by the idiots like yourself who for some reason find a need to have a pistol with them when they go into the bathroom at Wal*mart to take a crap?

Or insist they need to take a gun into a kindergarten during parents-teacher conference (never can tell when a five year old might show up with his daddy's assault rifle)?

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1445 Aug 10, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
As a side note, firearms manufactured within the last quarter century have failsafes that prevent accidental discharge, such as dropping a loaded gun.
Of course, you forgot to mention the goalposts were moved from the original statement that dropped guns **NEVER** went off.

Or do you want to redefine the word "off" now?

You might also look up the word "most" and let me know when you find the definition that says it means "all".

Since: Feb 11

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#1446 Aug 10, 2012
Tray wrote:
No gun will fire by being dropped if the owner follows the manufacturers instructions in the manual that came with the gun.
Thanks for repeating that nonsense for the people who insist that no one has ever said it.

I know: others will point out that you are typical of the gun owners who can't read but I will leave that to others.

Since: Feb 11

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#1447 Aug 10, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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BTW: Many states do not allow teachers to have active unions.
BTW: only five states do not allow collective bargaining, and there are 50 states so this statement is of course profoundly false.

Also, BTW: the four of the five states that disallow collective bargaining among teachers (putting aside that these laws are probably unconstitutional)- are at the bottom of the pile among SAT scores.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#1448 Aug 10, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Misfire: to fail to go off as expected.

Do you expect a pistol to fire whenever it is dropped?

Are you trying to divert away from the people who are killed by the idiots like yourself who for some reason find a need to have a pistol with them when they go into the bathroom at Wal*mart to take a crap?

Or insist they need to take a gun into a kindergarten during parents-teacher conference (never can tell when a five year old might show up with his daddy's assault rifle)?
Lol, you idiot. You're reaching now.
Confused yourself didn't you?
Lmao.
Why don't you provide some links to those mass killings by CCW holders.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#1449 Aug 10, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Of course, you forgot to mention the goalposts were moved from the original statement that dropped guns **NEVER** went off.

Or do you want to redefine the word "off" now?

You might also look up the word "most" and let me know when you find the definition that says it means "all".
Please show me where I said that dropped firearms never go off.
I stated that guns manufactured in the last quarter century have failsafes to prevent that from happening.
Do people have handguns older than 25 years, yes.
Is a CCW holder dumb enough to be that careless, highly doubtful. If it happens it's more likely to be Maw maw dropping it out of her purse.

Since: Feb 11

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#1450 Aug 10, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol, you idiot. You're reaching now.
Reaching by proving that you are wrong, SweetGums?

Since: Feb 11

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#1451 Aug 10, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
Why don't you provide some links to those mass killings by CCW holders.
Why don't you disprove it?

Going to be tough, since the NRA struggles to keep the CCW lists secret.

Even secret from the people who issue CCW.

Do let me know when you get wind of a law that examines every shooting- every crime committed where a CCW is involved- and records violations of those holding CCWs.

Since: Feb 11

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#1452 Aug 10, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
Is a CCW holder dumb enough to be that careless, highly doubtful.
There is no requirement for intelligence tests for person wanting to obtain CCWs.

Nor there in most places an establishment of need.

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