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“Love of $ is the Root of Evil”
Since: Sep 08
Gotham City
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Chicago, IL
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TedGalvanzki wrote: <quoted text>
Plus it needs to be taxed! The largest cash crop in most of the U.S. goes completely un-regulated and taxed......now that is stupid! This is very true... If it was legal... It would make farming, agriculture, and even botany a successful industry again! The taxes alone could even pay for many of the debt that the states are piling on.... For me personally, I think about it like this..... I would rather have somebody pissed off go out and smoke a joint and fall asleep than have them go to the bar, get plastered, and attack somebody..... Potheads are wimps and lazy bums.
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tiredofit
Ozark, MO
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Distant Thunder wrote: The Mexican drug cartels may not like this plan. oh, they are going to hate it. 2 birds can be killed with 1 stone here.
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TwOyoU
San Francisco, CA
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TomSawyer65 wrote: Obama just signed a bill on june 22 banning All flavored cigarettes but not Menthol in the US. Cloves, cigarillos, hookah tobacco....... as to not entice teenagers to smoke. So why not outlaw all cigarettes, liquor and all other things teens could get their hands on illegally.
What gives? Where did we lose the right to make our own choices, take care of our own teenagers without the government interfering? This law sucks and makes you wonder "What is next"? Pretty scary isn't it?? George Orwell's "1984" was going to happen in a future where I was dead. It was a science fiction type book, when it was written, who thought only 25 years from it would be true . So now I look around....spooky...sad. wonder what will happen?
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Kate
San Jose, CA
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This is a typical government scam: the local government possible to pass such an aberant law (hyronically they ban smoking of cigarettes meanwhile in public places), say they approve the so called "legalization" of pot, collect the money, then move over to make way for the feds to come, confiscate the stuff and arrest the people.
Really....
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“Peace be with you.”
Since: Aug 08
Pensacola, Florida
ISP:
Lexington, SC
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Preston2 wrote: <quoted text>
It's typical of US gubmint. Take a truly good idea that Congress will never pass, add enough crap to it to secure the required votes, then make it law. That, combined with its tendency to overreact, means instead of just eliminating the targeted advertising, they've eliminated the product.
I'm curious now, that menthol is the one flavor that's exempt. Why did mint escape the ban? I don't know and but I read that african americans smoke menthols. This is not my opinion but I do believe at least some people in Washington smoke menthols. You are correct though they are eliminating many many products but not all with the same equal harm. This law is totally illogical and I think you are right about the bill being added to and taken away from until everyone had their twisted way with it. I am so not happy with this outcome.
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“Peace be with you.”
Since: Aug 08
Pensacola, Florida
ISP:
Lexington, SC
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Danny_Livewire wrote: <quoted text>
Well.... We license people to ride motorcycles, alcohol can't be legally consumed until 21 (in most countries it is +17), cigarettes when your 18, pain killers pharmies etc require a doctor's referral....
I think you have to take it on a case by case basis. There is no be-all-end-all cure. You have to be real with people, and 100% honest about the dangers and effects of their actions. Not only on themselves, but on others......
We do not exist in our own little bubble. Every action that you choose to personally do, will effect somebody else.... Be it your family, friends, or even a perfect stranger.
Ideally, you should be aware of what you are doing when you are doing it.
It is also, VERY important to note that just because you ban something, restrict it, or make it illegal..... It still will happen.
I think the most powerful thing in existence, is knowledge.... If your honest with people and tell them the truth, then they can make an educated decision.
If you rely on advertising firms and the marketing departments of corporations that produce these things, you are not getting the truth.... You are getting fooled.
A crack dealer will not tell you their product will make you retarded and hopelessly addicted, but the police, your teachers, and hopefully your friends will....
There is a balance to be played. I hear what you are saying. I don't think we need the government's dabbling here and there and choosing what is harmful and what is not. They clearing have no clue what they have done here. I am waiting for one of them to actually read the bill they got signed and say WTF! I don't think Obama read the whole thing either.
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“Peace be with you.”
Since: Aug 08
Pensacola, Florida
ISP:
Lexington, SC
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TwOyoU wrote: <quoted text>
Pretty scary isn't it?? George Orwell's "1984" was going to happen in a future where I was dead. It was a science fiction type book, when it was written, who thought only 25 years from it would be true . So now I look around....spooky...sad.
wonder what will happen? I am curious as to what will happen also. I have heard of that book "1984' my husband has recommended it a couple of times. I should add it to my END of summer reading list.:-) 99% of Indonesia's business from Clove Kreteks comes from the US. I read they are taking the matter to the World Trade Organization over the menthol no logic part of the matter. I don't think Obama's read the bill and I think when it catches up with him what he signed, they may be some changes made. Hopefully, anyway. It isn't about the profits, to me, it is about making our own choices and when they pass a bill with so many obvious double standards it is frustrating to say the least.
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Flower Child
Bullhead City, AZ
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tiredofit wrote: <quoted text>oh, they are going to hate it. 2 birds can be killed with 1 stone here. It seems at the present they prefer war, death, and prisons over legalization/regulation of a substance proven safer then alcohol, most prescription drugs and cigarettes. They preached the mighty war on drugs to and the rest of the world for so many years, they can't admit they've screwed it up at the cost of MANY lives, careers and broken up families. Who is responsible for all of that? There has never, nor will ever be, a drug free society, the gateway is the parent, nothing more.
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did i say that
Antioch, CA
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Thank the lord my toliet flushes.
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did i say that
Antioch, CA
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toilet? John, Vestabule? sh*ter? CNN?
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“Love of $ is the Root of Evil”
Since: Sep 08
Gotham City
ISP:
Chicago, IL
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Did you know that at one point in time there was a tax on Marijuana in the USA???? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Ac... Also.... Marijuana was a HUGE boom to the growing US economy in the early days. Many of our forefathers grew it, smoked it, and used it for creating a wide variety of products. Even the declaration of independence was written on hemp paper.
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“Peace be with you.”
Since: Aug 08
Pensacola, Florida
ISP:
Lexington, SC
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Danny_Livewire wrote: Did you know that at one point in time there was a tax on Marijuana in the USA???? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Ac... Also.... Marijuana was a HUGE boom to the growing US economy in the early days. Many of our forefathers grew it, smoked it, and used it for creating a wide variety of products. Even the declaration of independence was written on hemp paper. Did you know that the tax stamps still exist. You send them into the IRS and they agree not to turn you in. So true. And if you get busted for selling...... guess what.......... yep....you get a tax stamp in the mail.......
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“Is there no middle?”
Since: Jun 09
Miami
ISP:
Delray Beach, FL
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I don't think legalizing it and taxing it will be a detriment to law enforcement personnel. In fact, I think it will actually help them. they can stop wasting their time dealing with drug busts and focus on more violent crime. The federal govt can divert the tax profits from their sale to healthcare, ICE, and other areas on need for the country. Until they decide to ban alcohol, why the fuss over weed? No stoners get angry and beat their wives up or cause vehicular accidents, at least not at the rate alcohol-related incidents are. Legalize it and tax it and watch how many problems are solved.
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Simon
Saint Petersburg, FL
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well since pot was initially made illegal to curtail immigration of Mexicans back in the 30s, we can all see how well THAT worked out
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Since: Apr 07
Miami
ISP:
Hollywood, FL
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TomSawyer65 wrote: <quoted text>
I am curious as to what will happen also. I have heard of that book "1984' my husband has recommended it a couple of times. I should add it to my END of summer reading list.:-) I wouldn't put it off. Given what I think I know about you from your posts, you will probably find it rewarding. And if your hubby recommended it, hell, who knows you better than him? And the clincher is you can read it for free online. http://www.george-orwell.org/1984
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“Peace be with you.”
Since: Aug 08
Pensacola, Florida
ISP:
Lexington, SC
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Preston2 wrote: <quoted text> I wouldn't put it off. Given what I think I know about you from your posts, you will probably find it rewarding. And if your hubby recommended it, hell, who knows you better than him? And the clincher is you can read it for free online. http://www.george-orwell.org/1984 I am pretty sure I have a copy in one our bookshelves. Thanks for the online reading link that could be pretty handy dandy! I am finishing up my last Christopher Moore book so I can start on it next.
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Since: Apr 07
Miami
ISP:
Miami, FL
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TomSawyer65 wrote: <quoted text>
I am pretty sure I have a copy in one our bookshelves. Thanks for the online reading link that could be pretty handy dandy! I am finishing up my last Christopher Moore book so I can start on it next. OMG! Moore is a riot! I picked up Practical Demonkeeping at an airport years ago just for something to read on the plane and fell in love immediately. Since then, I've run through his entire library.(Thanks Amazon!) And until today, I don't think I've met anybody who has even heard of him, much less read him. Too cool! Tell me you like Tom Holt too, and I'll just die.:-)
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“Peace be with you.”
Since: Aug 08
Pensacola, Florida
ISP:
Lexington, SC
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Preston2 wrote: <quoted text>
OMG! Moore is a riot! I picked up Practical Demonkeeping at an airport years ago just for something to read on the plane and fell in love immediately. Since then, I've run through his entire library.(Thanks Amazon!)
And until today, I don't think I've met anybody who has even heard of him, much less read him.
Too cool!
Tell me you like Tom Holt too, and I'll just die.:-) I haven't read Holt but thanks for the plug! This is my last Moore novel I have read them all this summer. I heard him on NPR in the spring and bought his new book "Fool". I was hooked. I have emailed him a few times and he told me which ones to read next. I am finishing up with "Fluke". Moore said he is finishing up on "Bite Me" the third book from Bloodsucking Fiends". My brother recommended A. Lee Martinez to me since I like Moore so much but I haven't started on his books yet. I will definitely check our Tom Holt next I am Barnes and Noble. Which Moore books are your favorite? It is nice to meet a Moore fan also. I have been looking for one!:-)
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Since: Apr 07
Miami
ISP:
Miami, FL
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TomSawyer65 wrote: <quoted text>
I haven't read Holt but thanks for the plug! This is my last Moore novel I have read them all this summer. I heard him on NPR in the spring and bought his new book "Fool". I was hooked. I have emailed him a few times and he told me which ones to read next. I am finishing up with "Fluke". Moore said he is finishing up on "Bite Me" the third book from Bloodsucking Fiends".
My brother recommended A. Lee Martinez to me since I like Moore so much but I haven't started on his books yet. I will definitely check our Tom Holt next I am Barnes and Noble.
Which Moore books are your favorite? It is nice to meet a Moore fan also. I have been looking for one!:-) You've traded e-mails with Moore? I am sooo jealous!! I more or less read his books in the order in which they were written. When I discover a new author, I prefer to go chronologically, you can actually see how a writer grows and matures that way. As for my favorite from Moore, that's a no brainer. It's Lamb. The gospel according to Biff. From the opening chapter, where pre-teen Jesus ressurected dead lizards for his little brother by putting them in his mouth, I knew that book was written for me to read. I have not read Fool yet, it's only available in hardcover, and at this point I'm locked into a paperback collection. Since his books are a bit larger than the standard size, the Moore section kind of stands out on my bookshelf. If you write to him again, maybe you can ask why he chose the larger dimensions rather than the standard paperback size? Also, I had never heard of Martinez, but I just checked him out on Amazon, and I like what I see. I'll pick one from him and add it to my next order. BTW, I would also recommend anything from Bill Fitzhugh or Robert Rankin. Especially Fitzhugh, he reminds me more of Carl Hiaasen than any other author, And to me Hiassen is the gold standard when it comes to gonzo absurdist fiction. Oh, and Terry Pratchett! He's another one who, after I had read one, I knew I had to read them all.
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“Peace be with you.”
Since: Aug 08
Pensacola, Florida
ISP:
Lexington, SC
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Preston2 wrote: <quoted text>
You've traded e-mails with Moore? I am sooo jealous!! I more or less read his books in the order in which they were written. When I discover a new author, I prefer to go chronologically, you can actually see how a writer grows and matures that way.
As for my favorite from Moore, that's a no brainer. It's Lamb. The gospel according to Biff. From the opening chapter, where pre-teen Jesus ressurected dead lizards for his little brother by putting them in his mouth, I knew that book was written for me to read.
I have not read Fool yet, it's only available in hardcover, and at this point I'm locked into a paperback collection. Since his books are a bit larger than the standard size, the Moore section kind of stands out on my bookshelf.
If you write to him again, maybe you can ask why he chose the larger dimensions rather than the standard paperback size?
Also, I had never heard of Martinez, but I just checked him out on Amazon, and I like what I see. I'll pick one from him and add it to my next order.
BTW, I would also recommend anything from Bill Fitzhugh or Robert Rankin. Especially Fitzhugh, he reminds me more of Carl Hiaasen than any other author, And to me Hiassen is the gold standard when it comes to gonzo absurdist fiction.
Oh, and Terry Pratchett! He's another one who, after I had read one, I knew I had to read them all. He recommended Lamb first. I liked it too. If you like Lamb you will also enjoy Fool. It is written from Shakespeare King Lear's fool's perspective. My favorite so far. With this new list of authors I can get my fall and winter lists ready with new authors. A basket of thanks :-) It is funny that you mention the size of his books. I have meant to mention that same thing to him. So I definitely will. I usually write him in between reads. The cool thing is if you send him an email in the morning you will have an answer shortly afternoon. He says he still checks and responds to all of his emails until they become to time consuming and interferes with his schedule. I love his book shape it holds well in the hand. So i will share the compliments. His email address is on all the new prints. His address (without the spaces or it will get removed) b s fiends @ aol. com I am out for the evening but I definitely want to continue this conversation later on :-)
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