Catholic Church takes stand against illegal-immigration dragnet

Hell with these child-molesting catholics. They want more immigrants cause most latins are catholics and the church sees more sheep to be fleeced of their money.

Speeders Kill Kids wrote:

Hell with these child-molesting catholics. They want more immigrants cause most latins are catholics and the church sees more sheep to be fleeced of their money.

Aiding and abeting the illegal alien is against our nation's laws....It doesn't matter what they are or what they want to do...Our nation's laws are more important and it is respect of and enforcement of our laws that matter.....Attrition through enforcement...Everything else takes a back seat, including religion....

The catholic church should not be advocating that it's ok to break immigration laws and condoning illegals' use of stolen OR FAKE ID's including SS#s to receive benefits. In condoning these actions AND SUPPORTING THEM the church IS ALSO GUILTY.

ima wrote:

The catholic church should not be advocating that it's ok to break immigration laws and condoning illegals' use of stolen OR FAKE ID's including SS#s to receive benefits. In condoning these actions AND SUPPORTING THEM the church IS ALSO GUILTY.

Aiding and abetting invaders is illegal....

They are driving tithing,educated members from the Church,I can only guess,to replace them with the uneducated poor.Surely they will then expect the remaining working members to support Church programs for the "new" members. Lucky us. We get to support them with taxes and tithing. All these opportunities to become poor are just overwhelming to me. Let me see ,should I quit taxes or tithing?

Let's take all the illegals and ship them to the Vatican

Better Listen to Pope Benedict – states have the right to defend their borders, set reasonable immigration laws October 27, 2010
Posted by tantamergo in awesomeness, General Catholic, Immigration.
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Really? So a “rich” country does not have a moral obligation to let in every single person that wants to come in and make them a near instant citizen, no matter of any laws they may have broken in the process and without any reckoning of the social and financial costs of this massive immigration? The Pope said:
” The Church recognizes this right in every human person, in its dual aspect of the possibility to leave one’s country and the possibility to enter another country to look for better conditions of life”(Message for World Day of Migration 2001, 3; cf. John XXIII, Encyclical Mater et Magistra, 30; Paul VI, Encyclical Octogesima adveniens, 17). At the same time, States have the right to regulate migration flows and to defend their own frontiers, always guaranteeing the respect due to the dignity of each and every human person. Immigrants, moreover, have the duty to integrate into the host Country, respecting its laws and its national identity.“
In fact, Pope Benedict XVI is merely relating the Doctrine of the Faith as it is contained in the Catechism (Cat 2241). In fact, it’s almost a word for word re-utterance of portions of the Catechism related to immigration. This view of immigration, which our own Bishop Farrell seems to share, is very far from what is presented by, I am sure well meaning, Catholics, including various Cardinals and Bishops, who seem to feel that Catholics must support absolutely unconstrained immigration and imply that one cannot be a good Catholic if you don’t follow the most extreme pro-immigrant views. This is not the Doctrine the Church, in Her wisdom, has developed. The Church feels that countries are plainly allowed, as a matter of the natural law and the authority God has granted to their properly constituted leadership, to defend their borders and set reasonable limits on immigration. A nation under serious threat, from, say, terrorism, including terrorists who have a desire, and the known capability, to inflict massive casualities, has a very serious reason to quite tightly control its border and regulate who may or may not enter the country. There is nothing anti-Catholic about such a view, and, in fact, stating the a nation has no such right, and that Catholic social doctrine requires almost completely unconstrained immigration (and rewarding those who break the host-nation’s laws) is the position more difficult to reconcile with Catholic doctrine.
I am a big proponent of immigration. I have heard numerous horror stories of very good people, well qualified people, people with skills and abilities this nation desperately needs (like engineers), waiting for years, even decades, for the ability to come to this country and to become a citizen. That is wrong. This nation should not have idiotic quotas limiting immigration from countries like Canada and Germany. At the same time, our southern border is virtually overrun, with drug/terror gangs boasting that they control large swaths of American territory. This is a serious national security issue. It must be addressed. We must have the ability to better control our southern border.

And it is not Catholic to insist that those who have broken this nation’s laws have a right to become near-instant citizens. That is an unjust position, as it slaps in the face all those who have followed the (admittedly, seriously in need of reform) rules and waited and paid out the wazoo to gain citizenship. But then, I fear that there may be motives at play among some of the more extreme Catholic unconstrained immigration supporters than just some view of satisfying ‘social justice.’
Pope Benedict – states have the right to defend their borders, set reasonable immigration laws October 27, 2010
Posted by tantamergo in awesomeness, General Catholic, Immigration.
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Really? So a “rich” country does not have a moral obligation to let in every single person that wants to come in and make them a near instant citizen, no matter of any laws they may have broken in the process and without any reckoning of the social and financial costs of this massive immigration? The Pope said:
” The Church recognizes this right in every human person, in its dual aspect of the possibility to leave one’s country and the possibility to enter another country to look for better conditions of life”(Message for World Day of Migration 2001, 3; cf. John XXIII, Encyclical Mater et Magistra, 30; Paul VI, Encyclical Octogesima adveniens, 17). At the same time, States have the right to regulate migration flows and to defend their own frontiers, always guaranteeing the respect due to the dignity of each and every human person. Immigrants, moreover, have the duty to integrate into the host Country, respecting its laws and its national identity.“
In fact, Pope Benedict XVI is merely relating the Doctrine of the Faith as it is contained in the Catechism (Cat 2241). In fact, it’s almost a word for word re-utterance of portions of the Catechism related to immigration. This view of immigration, which our own Bishop Farrell seems to share, is very far from what is presented by, I am sure well meaning, Catholics, including various Cardinals and Bishops, who seem to feel that Catholics must support absolutely unconstrained immigration and imply that one cannot be a good Catholic if you don’t follow the most extreme pro-immigrant views. This is not the Doctrine the Church, in Her wisdom, has developed. The Church feels that countries are plainly allowed, as a matter of the natural law and the authority God has granted to their properly constituted leadership, to defend their borders and set reasonable limits on immigration. A nation under serious threat, from, say, terrorism, including terrorists who have a desire, and the known capability, to inflict massive casualities, has a very serious reason to quite tightly control its border and regulate who may or may not enter the country. There is nothing anti-Catholic about such a view, and, in fact, stating the a nation has no such right, and that Catholic social doctrine requires almost completely unconstrained immigration (and rewarding those who break the host-nation’s laws) is the position more difficult to reconcile with Catholic doctrine.
I am a big proponent of immigration. I have heard numerous horror stories of very good people, well qualified people, people with skills and abilities this nation desperately needs (like engineers), waiting for years, even decades, for the ability to come to this country and to become a citizen.

That is wrong. This nation should not have idiotic quotas limiting immigration from countries like Canada and Germany. At the same time, our southern border is virtually overrun, with drug/terror gangs boasting that they control large swaths of American territory. This is a serious national security issue. It must be addressed. We must have the ability to better control our southern border. And it is not Catholic to insist that those who have broken this nation’s laws have a right to become near-instant citizens. That is an unjust position, as it slaps in the face all those who have followed the (admittedly, seriously in need of reform) rules and waited and paid out the wazoo to gain citizenship. But then, I fear that there may be motives at play among some of the more extreme Catholic unconstrained immigration supporters than just some view of satisfying ‘social justice.’

Let the Caths pay their medicade and welfare.

Deport them also

The immigration laws were greatly relaxed. Illegal immigrants with connections to crimes of continued hiatus such as drugs and people trafficking along with a endless list of murder for hire and other gang related activities stand.

yet they will not pay the full way of these folks they want others to.

time for all countries to follow ireland on this issue with the vadican.

hopefully we are not being robbed to pay for them.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Vatican-offi...

all should follow if it costs for them to be in a country.

sure would shut them up supporting illegal aliens.

After reading all this crap, its nice to know to that Hispanics and Asian will be the majority in this country soon and all you hateful rednecks will begin to die off.

It is heartbreaking to hear the painful stories of unjust deportations pouring in from our congregations

What is unjust about deporting illegal aliens?

We've been hearing more and more stories , especially within the Hispanic population," The children all of a sudden don't have a parent around

If the parent had not broke the law (and got caught) the children would still have the parent around.

Immigration-control activist Ira Mehlman believes the church's steady advocacy "to promote amnesty" reflects its own worries about connecting to a membership that would be declining were it not for immigration from Latin America.

The church is just worried the donations may decline.

http://redbloodedamericans.webs.com/

Mexica Nation wrote:

After reading all this crap, its nice to know to that Hispanics and Asian will be the majority in this country soon and all you hateful rednecks will begin to die off.

la raza ?

i bet you hate those pastey white folks who writ the constitution as well. you know those silly looking folks with those wigs and what not.

Mexica Nation wrote:

After reading all this crap, its nice to know to that Hispanics and Asian will be the majority in this country soon and all you hateful rednecks will begin to die off.

Yea and the sad thing is that when that happens then America will become another mexico and turn into such a sh#thole just like you as%$oles let happen to mexico.
Then I guess ya'll will be headed up into Canada!
You illegals do not have the balls to fix your own country,then you sure as hell will not have the balls to keep America in shape,so ya'll will let it turn into cr@p. then you no ball ba&*ards will cut and run up into Canada to try and f%ck it over.
where do you go when you can't go any further north????

http://redbloodedamericans.webs.com/

tomin cali wrote:

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la raza ?
i bet you hate those pastey white folks who writ the constitution as well. you know those silly looking folks with those wigs and what not.

I am sure this poster does not even know what you are refering to. Do you think they know or even care about OUR history? They don't care about our laws,why would they care what the laws are founded upon or who developed them?

Mexica Nation wrote:

After reading all this crap, its nice to know to that Hispanics and Asian will be the majority in this country soon and all you hateful rednecks will begin to die off.

Good to know,and you can destroy yet another civilization and country. Most of you cannot read or write intelligently,how are you going to out think us? Your hx in battle pretty much always shows your backsides. There are indeed more of you than us,any reason why you cannot care for yourselves? Seems like you always flock to where we are.Must be something about us you like.