The Universe's First Trillionth Of A Second: Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe's New Information

WHY do they insist they KNOW what they are looking at... its sheer arrogance to assume
anything ... they weren't THERE, so what good
is their opinion? Its merely another little
clever guess made with data. Mere statistical
crap puffed at the media in service to professional conceit: self aggrandizement.

Poof. Nothing, but POOF!

so, maybe what you write is merely 'poof' also?

Milo wrote:

WHY do they insist they KNOW what they are looking at... its sheer arrogance to assume
anything ... they weren't THERE, so what good
is their opinion? Its merely another little
clever guess made with data. Mere statistical
crap puffed at the media in service to professional conceit: self aggrandizement.
Poof. Nothing, but POOF!

Were you there to view the Biblical version of Creation?

Yet this is obviously not a belief system...there is HARD evidence of what the scientist believe happened...oh wait...there is that 'b' word again...billions and billions and billions of years ago.

It's fascinating that every bit of conventional matter in the universe - from galaxy superclusters down to atoms - comprise less than 5 percent of the total amount of energy out there.

The great thing is we all are part of that "Big Bang'.Every thing in our body's is the same elements of primeval space....so when they say,from,Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust,its true.

Can science and religion get along?
yes, for the intelligent.People with open minds can have both.After all religion is a "Leap of Faith",science is Math,Observation,and most importantly the quest for knowledge,and the real truth.

Instead of cursing the dark,like many do,lite a candle,see,and learn..

The same people who brought us to the moon,and beyond,still have many who would stay in the dark ,superstitious,close minded,fanatical, unsubstituted world of and old dark religious world of fear,and suspicion.

Science has always been persecuted by religion.They fear it.It can shake their very foundation.

So they burn the books,cut out the the knowledge,blind those who are seeking,and condemn those who revel the true nature of the universe!

This story is not over.

But ,the nation accommodates all.All have a right to believe in what they want to.

But to deny the truth!,thats just plain stupid!

Milo wrote:

WHY do they insist they KNOW what they are looking at... its sheer arrogance to assume
anything ... they weren't THERE, so what good
is their opinion? Its merely another little
clever guess made with data. Mere statistical
crap puffed at the media in service to professional conceit: self aggrandizement.
Poof. Nothing, but POOF!

Nominated for today's ARAI Awards.

It is interesting that both science and Religion are seeking God. Scientist are searching, by there own naming the "God Particle", That item of matter that always exist. Bothe sides are seeking eternity. Science may believe in eternal matter, those of faith beleive in an eternal creator. I celebrate the search for truth in both science and religion. True exploration is not mutually exclusive.
The universe does show patterns of order which show a creative source. It does not make sense that and uncontrolled "big bang" would result in such precise order. I suggest that you take apart a cell phone or I-pod, put the parts in a box and shake them untill all the pieces come back together. The universe is to beautifully assembled to be the results of random chance.

Perry wrote:

It is interesting that both science and Religion are seeking God. Scientist are searching, by there own naming the "God Particle", That item of matter that always exist. Bothe sides are seeking eternity. Science may believe in eternal matter, those of faith beleive in an eternal creator. I celebrate the search for truth in both science and religion. True exploration is not mutually exclusive.
The universe does show patterns of order which show a creative source. It does not make sense that and uncontrolled "big bang" would result in such precise order. I suggest that you take apart a cell phone or I-pod, put the parts in a box and shake them untill all the pieces come back together. The universe is to beautifully assembled to be the results of random chance.

Well said! I might add "What banged? What was there before it banged? How big was space? How many alternate universes are there?

Perry wrote:

It is interesting that both science and Religion are seeking God. Scientist are searching, by there own naming the "God Particle", That item of matter that always exist. Bothe sides are seeking eternity. Science may believe in eternal matter, those of faith believe in an eternal creator. I celebrate the search for truth in both science and religion. True exploration is not mutually exclusive.
The universe does show patterns of order which show a creative source. It does not make sense that and uncontrolled "big bang" would result in such precise order. I suggest that you take apart a cell phone or I-pod, put the parts in a box and shake them until all the pieces come back together. The universe is to beautifully assembled to be the results of random chance.

Hi, I think its not a precise thing of order,but rather a violent,explosion.With shrapnel hurtling out in all directions.

I think in our mini time ,we see it as almost static.But in reality every thing is going away and from each other.this at ever increasing speed.

when a bomb is exploded in slow motion,like an atomic bomb,it may resemble what we are going thru.Run the film back wards,and it comes to a small starting point,fast forward,and it expanding..."BOOM"

The universe is an awful place,fire,poison gasses,collisions,black holes, lethal rays,nova's,super novas,flaming comets.huge hunks of iron,ice,rock going in all directions.This is no master plan.If it were ,whats the purpose for all the violence,going on for what seems forever.

It will kill us all,as the earth has been assaulted many times.We started as a flaming piece of space debris,and when Ole Sole gives it up,we will be a burned out cinder,then an ice rock.

Why would some deity call this heaven is beyond me.Or why do some see this as order?..its chaos!
Thanx for your thoughts!

An after thought!!!...when we look up and see all those stars,and Galaxy's,we are looking back wards in time.Way back.For what we are looking at is not there any longer.Everything is moving away from its beginnings,at speeds we cannot not yet measure.But just using the speed of light,it would take millions or billions of years for that light to reach us.

Meantime ,there is a big black hole in our Galaxy,which does not care what it gobbles up,that with all that stuff flying around...well!
be Happy Don't worry....Thanx

BEAN wrote:

Science has always been persecuted by religion. They fear it.It can shake their very foundation.
So they burn the books,cut out the the knowledge,blind those who are seeking,and condemn those who revel the true nature of the universe!
This story is not over.

Some truth to the above. Some religionists fear science. But they are in the minority. Vocal, of course. Fanatics are usually vocal.

Two quotations on "the truth of science" may help:

"Most study physics to satisfy some requirement. Some study physics to learn the tricks of Nature so they may find out how to make things bigger or smaller or faster or stronger or more sensitive. But a few, a very few, study physics because they wonder -- not how things work, but why they work. They wonder what is at the bottom of things -- the very bottom, if there is a bottom." -- Lewis Epstein, in THINKING PHYSICS, 1989

"It is wrong to think that the task of physics is to find out how nature is. Physics concerns only what we can SAY about nature." -- Neils Bohr (about 1930 or so).

Burgy (retired physicist)

BEAN wrote:

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Hi, I think its not a precise thing of order,but rather a violent,explosion.With shrapnel hurtling out in all directions.
I think in our mini time ,we see it as almost static.But in reality every thing is going away and from each other.this at ever increasing speed.
when a bomb is exploded in slow motion,like an atomic bomb,it may resemble what we are going thru.Run the film back wards,and it comes to a small starting point,fast forward,and it expanding..."BOOM"
The universe is an awful place,fire,poison gasses,collisions,black holes, lethal rays,nova's,super novas,flaming comets.huge hunks of iron,ice,rock going in all directions.This is no master plan.If it were ,whats the purpose for all the violence,going on for what seems forever.
It will kill us all,as the earth has been assaulted many times.We started as a flaming piece of space debris,and when Ole Sole gives it up,we will be a burned out cinder,then an ice rock.
Why would some deity call this heaven is beyond me.Or why do some see this as order?..its chaos!
Thanx for your thoughts!

In response, this place is not called or supposed to be heaven. You ask a very profound question, "Why", and concluded, if I understand your response correctly, that there is no purpose to anything. I do not claim to have an answer, that you can prove by today's science. However remember what was considered scientific fact years ago, has changed and will continue to change. That is why I celebrate the search for truth in bith scienc and religion. I believe in the creator. That their is a purpose and a reason for everything. I also will confess that I don't always understand all the reasons or purposes. However, this lack of understanding on my part does not cause dispair, but hope. If I could understand all things then I would be God. A quote I believe from John Wesley "Show me a worm that can understand man, and I'll show you a mna that can understand God. This may or not give you comfort, but it does comfort me. I do not deny the terrible things that happen and we inflict on ourselves. We were given free will, to love or hate each other. I choose to love. Not because of what happens, but in spite of what happens. Peace.

Perry wrote:

It is interesting that both science and Religion are seeking God. Scientist are searching, by there own naming the "God Particle", That item of matter that always exist. Bothe sides are seeking eternity. Science may believe in eternal matter, those of faith beleive in an eternal creator. I celebrate the search for truth in both science and religion. True exploration is not mutually exclusive.
The universe does show patterns of order which show a creative source. It does not make sense that and uncontrolled "big bang" would result in such precise order. I suggest that you take apart a cell phone or I-pod, put the parts in a box and shake them untill all the pieces come back together. The universe is to beautifully assembled to be the results of random chance.

I suggest you the BLIND WATCHMAKER, and stop using that same old tired argument...if you claim that SOMETHING can't organize itself randomly- which is an oxymoronic statment anyhow- then how do you explain your ORGANIZED creator without an orign itself? Magic? DOH! You just proposed that something CAN come from nothing if you propose some 'designer'...you have suggested a never ending conundrum of 'which came first'...welcome to science....no longer do the god-fearing faithful suggest science can't find an answer, they simply keep moving the goal posts once science is at the goal line...the WMAP project confirmed a hypothesis some 50 years old...look it up, instead of wallowing in ignorance and straddling the science and religion fence as some mere spectator...science doesn't care about religion or the facts which are revealed...the facts are irrefutable and stubborn things like that...religionists fear science undermining it's very existence or necessity, and so you embrace it at the most superficial, patronizing and condescending level when you 'claim' to support a search for the facts, but doubt that any of the theories, hypotheses or proposals just don't make sense to you- your prejudice is fairly evident...I also suggest you read about the person whom proposed the PRIMORDIAL SINGULARITY...a Catholic priest named Georges Lamaitre...the derisive term "Big Bang" was coined by Fred Hoyle, one of Lamaitre 'rivals,' to compare it as silly when compared to Hoyle's Steady State theory of the universe...don't talk about what you don't know...it only makes your ignorance that much more pronounced.

Burgy wrote:

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Some truth to the above. Some religionists fear science. But they are in the minority. Vocal, of course. Fanatics are usually vocal.
Two quotations on "the truth of science" may help:
"Most study physics to satisfy some requirement. Some study physics to learn the tricks of Nature so they may find out how to make things bigger or smaller or faster or stronger or more sensitive. But a few, a very few, study physics because they wonder -- not how things work, but why they work. They wonder what is at the bottom of things -- the very bottom, if there is a bottom." -- Lewis Epstein, in THINKING PHYSICS, 1989
"It is wrong to think that the task of physics is to find out how nature is. Physics concerns only what we can SAY about nature." -- Neils Bohr (about 1930 or so).
Burgy (retired physicist)

As always I always enjoy your posts immensely. You always try to find balance in what you express. Thank you.

Matt from Akron wrote:

It's fascinating that every bit of conventional matter in the universe - from galaxy superclusters down to atoms - comprise less than 5 percent of the total amount of energy out there.

Matt, great things come in small packages. For example, of all the comments posted here on this particular topic, what percentage are truly insightful?(Many of the religious freaks are inciteful. I assume that the atom population is dwindling because so much of the universe's contents has been converted to lost, wayward energy over the past 13.7 billion years. I also continue to believe that we live inside of a composite universe, a manifold or apparition formed by the blending or collision of multiple realities from the continuum. The expansion of the universe and the growth of dark matter and dark energy points to this. The increasing exposure of dark matter is like the appearance of skin as your clothes become worn and threadbare. Humankind had better hurry up and fulfill it's destiny before the lights go out... And you'd better hurry up and record that platinum rap album you've always wanted to make.

It seems that whether we look out into space or deep into an atom we find the same thing. Mostly space(emptiness). Our sensory perceptions give us apparent boundaries that we use to analyze and verify our existence. Then our minds and curiosity try to fill in the blanks. When I was in school I enjoyed Algebra. It was like doing puzzles( which are very popular with humans) and I got satisfaction from not only getting the answer but the process as well. Life is like a big puzzle and I enjoy the process of learning about it even if the ultimate answer is out of our grasp. That's where my "faith" you might say comes in. I'm not religious (too political and narrow minded) but I still stand in awe of the redwoods in my yard, a great sunset and the fact that the hummingbirds in my yard buzz around my head in gratitude for the feeders I provide them. Okay, maybe they do that to everyone, but please don't spoil my fun.

shinningelectr0n wrote:

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Matt, great things come in small packages. For example, of all the comments posted here on this particular topic, what percentage are truly insightful?(Many of the religious freaks are inciteful. I assume that the atom population is dwindling because so much of the universe's contents has been converted to lost, wayward energy over the past 13.7 billion years. I also continue to believe that we live inside of a composite universe, a manifold or apparition formed by the blending or collision of multiple realities from the continuum. The expansion of the universe and the growth of dark matter and dark energy points to this. The increasing exposure of dark matter is like the appearance of skin as your clothes become worn and threadbare. Humankind had better hurry up and fulfill it's destiny before the lights go out... And you'd better hurry up and record that platinum rap album you've always wanted to make.

Hey shinning, where and how have you been? Good to see you are still among us. I was busy composing my post and didn't notice yours until I was done. Great to have your energy back.

oops. dark matter is in decline. In fact, all matter is in decline as it is converted to .... energy?

Thats incredible.