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The Dude wrote:

<quoted text>Try this on. Every place multiculturalism has been tried it has failed. From the Greek and Roman empires of the past to the current unrest in the E.U. France and Russia. America has lost her values and her identity because those who now immigrate here do not and will not assimilate to OUR culture. Without assimilation we are nothing more than a group of seperate "tribes" with little or no trust in one another. America is in decline because of this. Learn a little more about World History and current affairs before you attempt to discredit what I say.

The U.S. isn't in the tank at all. Despite some pitfalls, the U.S. has done quite well since World War II(beating Nazi scum also helped the U.S. and the world as well).The Roman Empire fell for many reasons and one was from invasion from people's far less advanced than the Romans-mainly crude,barbaric and backward Germanic tribes.If the U.S. imported say a bunch of moronic racist skinheads in droves(the only kind that exists)to fill professional positions in universities, instead of say educated legal immigrants with skills from China and India, then one would have a parallel to what had happened to Rome.Barbarians(Allemanni,Ostr ogoths,Nazi skinheads) cannot successfully maintain advanced societies like either Rome or the U.S., so the society would theoretically collapse.The barbarian invaders of Rome were roughly 1,000+ years behind Rome in terms of culture, so the end results there were predictable.These invaders were far less advanced than Rome and China,and for the most part didn't even have basic literacy,bureaucracy,high technology etc. that the former two cultures took for granted.It would be like having a kindergardener teaching a grad student level biochemistry at an Ivy League University. The U.S. has professional immigrants in positions like science, the bureaucracy, and business, whereas latter period Rome(especially after 476) did not). The U.S. isn't importing neo-Nazi barbarians and nothing like them will take over(World War II took care of that-their current followers either whine or get "girlfriends" in the prison system where they belong) so the U.S. is doing just fine. Bad historical analogies borne out of fear and weakness don't work.

China and India have been multi-linguistic, multi-ethnic places since before the dawn of written history. No uni-cultural society survives much past a few hundred years at best. This is why France, Poland and Ireland want their national societies to whither away in favor of the EU. This is also why NAFTA was created as an American version of the EU.
Uni-culturalism means national extinction. Look at the Roman (Latin) Empire and the Eastern Roman (Greek) Empire.

eric wrote:

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The U.S. isn't in the tank at all. Despite some pitfalls, the U.S. has done quite well since World War II(beating Nazi scum also helped the U.S. and the world as well).The Roman Empire fell for many reasons and one was from invasion from people's far less advanced than the Romans-mainly crude,barbaric and backward Germanic tribes.If the U.S. imported say a bunch of moronic racist skinheads in droves(the only kind that exists)to fill professional positions in universities, instead of say educated legal immigrants with skills from China and India, then one would have a parallel to what had happened to Rome.Barbarians(Allemanni,Ostr ogoths,Nazi skinheads) cannot successfully maintain advanced societies like either Rome or the U.S., so the society would theoretically collapse.The barbarian invaders of Rome were roughly 1,000+ years behind Rome in terms of culture, so the end results there were predictable.These invaders were far less advanced than Rome and China,and for the most part didn't even have basic literacy,bureaucracy,high technology etc. that the former two cultures took for granted.It would be like having a kindergardener teaching a grad student level biochemistry at an Ivy League University. The U.S. has professional immigrants in positions like science, the bureaucracy, and business, whereas latter period Rome(especially after 476) did not). The U.S. isn't importing neo-Nazi barbarians and nothing like them will take over(World War II took care of that-their current followers either whine or get "girlfriends" in the prison system where they belong) so the U.S. is doing just fine. Bad historical analogies borne out of fear and weakness don't work.

Your statemant "the U.S. isn't in the tank at all" proves you are incapable of rational thought therefore I see no reason to debate you any futher. Your pathetic rebuttal is devoid of fact and mearly the ramblings of an imbecile.

The Dude wrote:

<quoted text>Your statemant "the U.S. isn't in the tank at all" proves you are incapable of rational thought therefore I see no reason to debate you any futher. Your pathetic rebuttal is devoid of fact and mearly the ramblings of an imbecile.

Very ironic from a source that claims that Hitler was good.If one wants to engage in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories,praise Hitler, run down the Allies etc. one can always submit these stupid theories before a peer review board at any grad school before any history department(after they get their GED,SAT and GED first). I guarantee that one will get an F minus on their thesis,dissertation, or prospectus with such tripe.It won't be a conspiracy either-just putting a stupid punk being put in his place by wasting the professors valuable time with lies.Never saw a skinhead or Klansman in grad school either-universities only take intelligent people on average, not meth using middle school dropouts.
That 1000+ yr. claim for the barabarian tribes backwardness is mostly accurate.They wanted what Rome had, but weren't advanced enough to run it on their own.Wheel spun pottery replaced by handmade varieties,roof tiles and bricks replaced by wattle and daub,factoriae collapsed,consumer goods ceased and crude localized economy took over,trade died, concrete forgotten,military tactics and discipline collapsed,nobody to run bureaucracy after 476, and illiteracy galore,excepting Byzantium.Of course, I am talking to someone who doesn't Classical history, never taught at university,doesn't know Latin, and hasn't read anything about the Romans other than what the morons at Stormfront feeds them, so it is pointless lowering myself to these subhominid levels of infantile discourse.For those who want to converse on any of this intelligently, get your GED, then we'll talk.

The Dude wrote:

<quoted text>I am a vet myself buddy and I would give my life at any time for my country or my fellow servicemen. The fact is the jew is responsible WW2 and many more other travisties commited against the peoples of Germany and the world. The jew media has programed you to believe their nonsense. How do explain the fact every year that goes by the number of holohoax victims goes down? If you don't agree with me that's fine but truth remains and will be seen by all one day.

Beyond irrational-the Greeks called such beings Gorgons. point one: Germany and Japan bear full reponsibility for World War II-there is a preponderance of witnesses to confirm this as fact(war criminals and their apologists don't count), including Jews,gypsies,and POW's,and other soldiers from the U.S.,Britain,France, the Soviet Union just to name a few.Virtually no reputable historian would claim otherwise and the same goes for Holocaust denial.If the Holocaust denial claim is taken to libel court in Britain as David Irving did-the plaintiff will lose again.The media isn't controlled by Jews, just more irrational anti-Semitic conspiracy mongering.The only number that goes down on a yearly basis regarding the Holocaust is the number of living witnesses(same holds true of all soldiers who fought in World War II). Of course there are Cold War era punks who never served in THE WAR who spout off the lies of Stormfront and call most of the surviving Allied soldiers and victims of the Nazis liars-all of those can go to Hell as far as I'm concerned.

eric wrote:

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Beyond irrational-the Greeks called such beings Gorgons. point one: Germany and Japan bear full reponsibility for World War II-there is a preponderance of witnesses to confirm this as fact(war criminals and their apologists don't count), including Jews,gypsies,and POW's,and other soldiers from the U.S.,Britain,France, the Soviet Union just to name a few.Virtually no reputable historian would claim otherwise and the same goes for Holocaust denial.If the Holocaust denial claim is taken to libel court in Britain as David Irving did-the plaintiff will lose again.The media isn't controlled by Jews, just more irrational anti-Semitic conspiracy mongering.The only number that goes down on a yearly basis regarding the Holocaust is the number of living witnesses(same holds true of all soldiers who fought in World War II). Of course there are Cold War era punks who never served in THE WAR who spout off the lies of Stormfront and call most of the surviving Allied soldiers and victims of the Nazis liars-all of those can go to Hell as far as I'm concerned.

I am a vet myself and have no reason to disparage anyone who has ever fought for our freedom. The fact remains you cannot prove anything you say. As I said before, history is written by the Victors and is therefore automatically suspect. The jew has rewritten every truthful account of the supposed holocaust to their benefit. Explain to me how every year that goes by the offical number of jewish victims goes down? Explain how in 1919 jewish scholars had already claimed 6 millon jews had died in a war that was still over a decade away? The jews control the media and by doing so have brainwashed an entire world.

The Dude wrote:

<quoted text>I am a vet myself and have no reason to disparage anyone who has ever fought for our freedom. The fact remains you cannot prove anything you say. As I said before, history is written by the Victors and is therefore automatically suspect. The jew has rewritten every truthful account of the supposed holocaust to their benefit. Explain to me how every year that goes by the offical number of jewish victims goes down? Explain how in 1919 jewish scholars had already claimed 6 millon jews had died in a war that was still over a decade away? The jews control the media and by doing so have brainwashed an entire world.

First off, by denying the Holocaust, one is making the claim that the GIs who saw these camps were either fools or not tellinhg the truth.I have had friends who saw those camps.Some were among the liberators and a few were incarcerated there as POWs.One of these was a good friend was a B-17 door gunner and imprisoned at Mauthausen. He worked on thopse dath labor crews,saw guards sadistically murders prisoners both in the camp and on the death march at the end of the war when those Nazi scum were losing.The Nazis were monsters period.Anyone who buys this Victor's Justice theory is indeed belittling the witnesses experiences and calling them liars.
There are no accounts of Jews claiming that 6 million Jews died during the Great War.Over 1 million Armenians died due to Germany's allies in Turkey(Hitler mocked that event too), but that is another event.No source is available for this claim regarding Jewish people in the Great War and that is a red herring argument. The fact is that over 6 million Jews died in World War II as a result of the Nazi Holocaust(that includes those murdered in the death camps as well as murdered by Waffen SS Eisatzgruppen and police battalions).I didn't mention one media source for any of this-the evidence can be found at the Nuremburg Trials,archives in the U.S., Britain, France and the Soviet Union to name a few. Added to that the evidence from the criminals themselves, their own archives(much fell into Allied hands after the war), as well as the accounts of the victims.Among those include U.S. POWs-plenty of debriefings from them were collected after the war in the ETO as well (7th Army also collected quite a bit in Italy alone-so U.S. intel was in on the "conspiracy" too eh?). The only way that the victor's testimony is "suspect" considering all of this evidence is if one is predisposed to despise the victors and side with the losers(especially if one has the same views as those of the losers and is alienated from one's own country to the point of sedition). I don't buy into this moral relativism inherent in pro Nazi war criminal revisionism(to quot is not a defense). The burden of proof for Nazi "innocence" rest on the the Nazi side alone, not the Allies-apologists cannot prove a single thing they say either because it is all lies.

You have made some interesting point's and I will do some research and reply shorty. One thing though, the jews have been claiming "million's dead" for hundreds of years. Go to the website I posted before and watch the video. It is not a White Power site despite it's name.

The Dude wrote:

You have made some interesting point's and I will do some research and reply shorty. One thing though, the jews have been claiming "million's dead" for hundreds of years. Go to the website I posted before and watch the video. It is not a White Power site despite it's name.

If you reject the 6 million Jews what about the other 6 million victims? The holocaust was a holocaust even if there were 0 Jews involved.
Holocausts happen all the time and all around the world. The Turks committed one against Armenians, the Stalin regime committed one against Ukrainians and all around the Soviet Union, Mao and Pol Pot committed theirs.
Even today in Africa and the one being committed by Moslems in the Balkans against the Serbs.
Holocausts happen so do not cry about the Jewish angle.

Cash wrote:

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Well, this means education was great before Bush got elected. We know that is not true - not teaching the material and instead spending money on lobbyists and union representatives to get more wages and more "minimum days" is what got you stuck with teaching 'the test.' Saying that going back to the pre-Bush days would work itself out is in defiance of 30 years of screwing it up.
The smartest generations in the 20th century had large classrooms, low paid teachers who cared about kids more than unions, and got taught the test. They won WW2 and heralded America's Golden Age. It's not a bad idea to go back to that.

When I say the TEST, I'm referring to the TAKS-Texas Assessment of Knowledge and Skills, not tests in general. I agree with some of what you said. I didn't say the pre-Bush era was in any better shape. However, we have middle school science students who have teachers telling them they are trying to get to everything they need to cover for TAKS, but don't have time, yet some are flunking regular science class. Does this make sense to you? I agree, some of our smartest generations went through what you said, but the TEST wasn't around then.They were taught the material, and like you said, we had some of the smartest (and hardest working) people. That's exactly what I'm talking about- let us teach what we need to teach to make students responsible, productive people and yes, it will work itself out again. By the way, I am not a member of a teacher's union, I work in the smallest, poorest school district in Texas, and I spend many of my summer days at school preparing for my students.

Stanislaw wrote:

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If you reject the 6 million Jews what about the other 6 million victims? The holocaust was a holocaust even if there were 0 Jews involved.
Holocausts happen all the time and all around the world. The Turks committed one against Armenians, the Stalin regime committed one against Ukrainians and all around the Soviet Union, Mao and Pol Pot committed theirs.
Even today in Africa and the one being committed by Moslems in the Balkans against the Serbs.
Holocausts happen so do not cry about the Jewish angle.

And you hit upon "Why Do People Hate America?"

People do not like to be told the "right way" to run their countries, worship (which) god...

"The idea of America, its self-image and sense of identity, uniquely, has always been less concerned with history than with a vision of the future that requires a particular way of operating in the present. In particular, we are concerned that America's idealized view of the human future permits a perverse, dangerous and often brutally destructive disconnection between
ends and means. To define the idea of America as THE future, everyone's future, is an arrogant denial of the freedom of others, and of the potential of the present to create alternative futures in the complex image of the whole world and all its peoples."
"Why Do People Hate America?" 2002