Intelligent Design: Coming To A State Legislature Near You

bluebird wrote:

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I agree, our forefathers came to America for freedom of religion, and now the "tea party" or whoever, wants to basically legislate religion, but there should be separation of church and state. Those that want to pray in school should be allowed, but there should be tolerance to others that believe differently, ideally. Both ID design and integrated science could be taught. One does not have to negate the other/

Kids are free to pray anyway.

However ID should not be taught because:

1 - It's not science.

2 - It's illegal for public schools to teach religion unless ALL are taught. And that should be in a comparative religions class if anywhere.

bluebird wrote:

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I agree, our forefathers came to America for freedom of religion, and now the "tea party" or whoever, wants to basically legislate religion, but there should be separation of church and state. Those that want to pray in school should be allowed, but there should be tolerance to others that believe differently, ideally. Both ID design and integrated science could be taught. One does not have to negate the other/

Forefathers came here to escape the mental illness that is still locked in their DNA. They were forced to leave or die. So, they came here and took the land that belonged to the natives. They only care about one thing...greed! Look at the society they created.....its falling apart! The meek shall inherit the earth and the land will be set free!!!!!!!!!!

An interesting article:
"The relatively new science of chronobiology has uncovered some totally unexpected facts about living things, to include the most puzzling circaseptan or seven-day cycles experienced by many living things.
“At first glance, it might seem that weekly rhythms developed in response to culture but this doesn’t hold once you realize that plants, insects, and animals other than humans also have weekly cycles
Susan Perry and Jim Dawson, The Secrets Our Body Clocks Reveal,(New York: Rawson Associates, 1988), pp. 20-21
Campbell summarizes the findings of the world’s foremost authority on rhythms and the pioneer of the science of chronobiology:
“Franz Halberg proposes that body rhythms of about seven days, far from being passively driven by the social cycle of the calendar week, are innate, autonomous, and perhaps the reason why the calendar week arose in the first place… These circaseptan, or about weekly, rhythms are one of the major surprises turned up by modern chronobiology. Fifteen years ago, few scientists would have expected that seven day biological cycles would prove to be so widespread and so long established in the living world. They are of very ancient origin, appearing in primitive one-celled organisms, and are thought to be present even in bacteria, the simplest form of life now existing.”
Jeremy Campbell, Winston Churchill’s Afternoon Nap,(New York: Simon and Schuster, 1986), pp. 75-79.
Specific examples of circaseptan rhythms in humans include: Reject of organ transplants, immune response to infections, blood and urine chemicals, blood pressure, heartbeat, the common cold, coping hormones, and even one’s mood or general state of mind. There is also evidence of a circaseptan cycle in the formation of tooth enamel (Link).
There are also examples in other living things, such as the algae Acetabularia mediterranea (popularly known as mermaid’s wineglass) that shows a seven-day growth cycle or Brazilian bees that observe a seventh-day “Sabbath” rest cycle (Link).
If the seven day week is an invention of culture and religion, as most historians would have us believe, how do we explain innate circaseptan rhythms in “primitive” algae, rats, plants, bees and face flies? These forms of life have no calendar and can’t read the Torah (Link).
Again, given the historical reliability of “higher” biblical critics compared to the fact that the Bible’s claims about history have proven true time and again, combined with the internal evidence for circaseptan rhythms within ourselves and many if not all living things, is it really such a stretch to imagine that the Bible might be right yet again regarding the Creation Week and the Sabbath rest given to us by God from the very beginning of life on this planet?
Consider a situation where someone (the God of the Bible in this case) claimed to have created a given cyclical pattern of time specifically for our benefit (i.e.,“The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath – Mark 2:27). This is a testable claim. Given the truth of such a claim the implication is very direct and clear. Obviously, in such a situation one should actually expect to find some sort of biorhythm(s) that is tuned to this particular weekly pattern. One should also expect that if one did not follow God’s advice on following this pattern (given that God actually exists and is in fact our Maker), that one would be able to notice a physical difference in one’s general well being when in or out of line with God’s claimed ideal pattern for the weekly cycle. In other words, God has presented a testable hypothesis or claim to us that we can actually test in a scientific, potentially falsifiable, manner.
It’s like being told to use a particular fuel for your car for optimal performance – by the car’s designer. You can expect some sort of actual physical difference if you don’t use the particular type of fuel you were told to use by the car’s creator.
Just another piece to add to the puzzle…"

The relatively new science of chronobiology has uncovered some totally unexpected facts about living things, to include the most puzzling circaseptan or seven-day cycles experienced by many living things. Secular scientists find it difficult to explain how such a seven-day cyclical pattern would arise or evolve in living things by any natural means.

“At first it might seem that weekly rhythms developed in response to the seven day week by human culture years ago, this theory doesn’t hold once you realize that plants, insects, and animals other than humans also have weekly cycles. Biology, therefore, not culture, is probably at the source of our seven day week.”
Susan Perry/Jim Dawson, The Secrets Our Body Clocks Reveal, New York: Rawson Associates 1988
Campbell summarizes the findings of the world’s foremost authority on rhythms and the pioneer of the science of chronobiology
Franz Halberg proposes that body rhythms of about seven days, far from being passively driven by the social cycle of the calendar week, are innate, autonomous, and perhaps the reason why the calendar week arose in the first place… These circaseptan, or weekly, rhythms are one of the major surprises turned up by modern chronobiology. Fifteen years ago few scientists would have expected that seven day biological cycles would prove to be so widespread and so long established in the living world. They are of very ancient origin, appearing in primitive one-celled organisms, and are thought to be present even in bacteria, the simplest form of life now existing.”
Jeremy Campbell, Winston Churchill’s Afternoon Nap,(New York: Simon and Schuster, 1986)
Specific examples of circaseptan rhythms in humans include: Reject of organ transplants, immune response to infections, blood and urine chemicals, blood pressure, heartbeat, the common cold, coping hormones, and even one’s mood or general state of mind. There is also evidence of a circaseptan cycle other living things, such as the algae Acetabularia mediterranea that shows a seven-day growth cycle or Brazilian bees that observe a seventh-day “Sabbath” how do we explain innate circaseptan rhythms in “primitive” algae, rats, plants, bees and face flies? These forms of life have no calendar and can’t read the Torah (Link).

Again, given the historical reliability of “higher” biblical critics compared to the fact that the Bible’s claims about history have proven true time and again, combined with the internal evidence for circaseptan rhythms within ourselves and many if not all living things, is it really such a stretch to imagine that the Bible might be right yet again regarding the Creation Week and the Sabbath rest given to us by God from the very beginning of life on this planet?

Consider a situation where someone (the God of the Bible in this case) claimed to have created a given cyclical pattern of time specifically for our benefit (i.e.,“The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath – Mark 2:27). This is a testable claim. Given the truth of such a claim the implication is very direct and clear. Obviously, in such a situation one should actually expect to find some sort of biorhythm(s) that is tuned to this particular weekly pattern. One should also expect that if one did not follow God’s advice on following this pattern (given that God actually exists and is in fact our Maker), that one would be able to notice a physical difference in one’s general well being when in or out of line with God’s claimed ideal pattern for the weekly cycle. In other words, God has presented a testable hypothesis or claim to us that we can actually test in a scientific, potentially falsifiable, manner.

It’s like being told to use a particular fuel for your car for optimal performance – by the car’s designer. You can expect some sort of actual physical difference if you don’t use the particular type of fuel you were told to use by the car’s creator.

Just another piece to add to the puzzle…

Whoops! Sorry I wrote the same thing twice.:(

Its sad that Stephen Hawkings will never experience what a real alien encounter feels like.....outside, go outside Stephen!

bluebird wrote:

Whoops! Sorry I wrote the same thing twice.:(

Don't worry, neither of them had anything to do with that nasty stuff called science.

The Dude wrote:

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Don't worry, neither of them had anything to do with that nasty stuff called science.

But the circaseptan cycle does appear to be real science:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3...

While I did not actually read the entire article, I would suspect that the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America is reasonably described as a scientific journal.

It was only when he started trying to pin it on the actions of a God that he jumped the track and left reality behind...

bluebird wrote:

The relatively new science of chronobiology ...

... In other words, God has presented a testable hypothesis or claim to us that we can actually test in a scientific, potentially falsifiable, manner.
It’s like being told to use a particular fuel for your car for optimal performance – by the car’s designer. You can expect some sort of actual physical difference if you don’t use the particular type of fuel you were told to use by the car’s creator.
Just another piece to add to the puzzle…

Sigh. You should have read what you were cutting and pasting just a little more closely:
"Franz Halberg proposes that body rhythms of about seven days, far from being passively driven by the social cycle of the calendar week, are innate, autonomous, and perhaps the reason why the calendar week arose in the first place… "

So, if people have had hundreds of thousands of years to get used to a circaseptan cycle, it would make sense that they would eventually encode it into the edicts handed down from "on high".

Liam R wrote:

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But the circaseptan cycle does appear to be real science:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3...
While I did not actually read the entire article, I would suspect that the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America is reasonably described as a scientific journal.
It was only when he started trying to pin it on the actions of a God that he jumped the track and left reality behind...

I know, I was being lazy. Couldn't be bothered at the time making the effort you did for a fundie who just thinks Goddidit with magic. So kudos to you.

bluebird wrote:

If this doesn't touch your heart:
http://youtu.be/Q6CK0Krm4rM

Not so much my heart. It does upset my stomach, though.

Rucin wrote:

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Well, I'm a prospective Mathematics major; but technically I'm undecided. Many things seem cool and boring at the same time.

How far along are you in math? There is a *major* shift in how mathematics is done at the upper undergraduate level. Instead of being calculation based, it becomes more proof oriented. Many math students have a tough time with this transition. Just saying.

The Dude wrote:

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I know, I was being lazy. Couldn't be bothered at the time making the effort you did for a fundie who just thinks Goddidit with magic. So kudos to you.

1) I am typing much of this sitting in my son's school library as he does his homework.

2) I am myself going to school, learning to be a teacher for children with "special" needs. Teaching fundies is good practice...

My niece just posted a celestail body of somesort. Underneath it says, " A very old picture of me.". Love it.

been there9 wrote:

My niece just posted a celestail body of somesort. Underneath it says, " A very old picture of me.". Love it.

Venus?

Just so it is not Uranus...
;)

nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>Venus?

More like a cluster of old stars, but Venus would fit her.

Wow

Oh no Uranus'sa beast...someonewhat of a something rather think I recall Uranus can be a pain?

been there9 wrote:

My niece just posted a celestail body of somesort. Underneath it says, " A very old picture of me.". Love it.

That is awesome! I love it, too. <3