Tennessee Is Lab for Science Clash

Apr 6, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Wall Street Journal

Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam is likely in the coming days to sign into law a bill requiring that public schools allow science teachers to discuss purported weaknesses of theories such as evolution and global warming in their classrooms.

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Apr 6, 2012
 
Tennessee should give back the money we give it to educate its children.
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Apr 11, 2012
 
When has a teacher NOT been able to discuss the limitions of scientific knowledge??

Something wrong here. This is just a 'wedge' to teach Intelligent Design as an 'alternative theory'??

Just what America needs. More degradation of the learning process. Pretty soon, they won't be able to keep the wheels turning because everyone will be discussing 'god will' rather that tightening the bolts.

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Complete and utter hogwash.

The next thing you know they'll be forcing the teachers to say prayers before each class.

Such ignorance should be illegal...

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Isn't this about the law that requires teaching critical thinking about scientific theories? What's wrong with that?

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Brian_G wrote:
Isn't this about the law that requires teaching critical thinking about scientific theories? What's wrong with that?
Goddamnit, Brian.

Are you learning impaired?

How many times, how many ways do we have to explain it to you?

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May 16, 2012
 
The law says nothing about Creationism or Intelligent Design, but you fear it will allow that taught in public schools, why?

I think teaching about critical thinking is good, science isn't taken on faith.

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Brian_G wrote:
The law says nothing about Creationism or Intelligent Design, but you fear it will allow that taught in public schools, why?
I think teaching about critical thinking is good, science isn't taken on faith.
From the 'Diso Tute':

http://www.discovery.org/a/18651

By: Staff
Discovery Institute
April 10, 2012

Nashville Today Tennessee became the latest state to enact an academic freedom bill that protects teachers when they promote critical thinking and objective discussion about CONTROVERSIAL SCIENCE ISSUES SUCH AS BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION, climate change and human cloning. At least ten states now have statewide science standards or laws that protect or encourage teachers to discuss the scientific evidence for and against Darwinian evolution.

(emphasis mine)

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The thing is....AGAIN...,Brian that there IS no "scientific controversy" regarding the Theory of Evolution. 99.9+% of all scientists in relevant fields accept the Theory of Evolution (MANY OF THEM CHRISTIANS).

This is just a smokescreen to get "Intelligent Design" introduced into the public school classroom AND YOU KNOW IT.

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May 16, 2012
 
....from the same link above:

(Disco Tute)

"This year, four states have considered academic freedom legislation designed to protect teachers who teach both the scientific strengths and weaknesses of evolutionary theory. MANY OF THE BILLS HAVE BEEN ADAPTED FROM SAMPLE LEGISLATION DEVELOPED BY THE DISCOVERY INSTITUTE, including a model statute posted online at www.academicfreedompetition.com ."

(emphasis mine)

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Brian_G wrote:
Isn't this about the law that requires teaching critical thinking about scientific theories? What's wrong with that?
When you evaluate the law, you evaluate both the intent when passed and the effect it has.

Sometimes a law gets passed with good intentions that has negative blowback.

This is not one of those cases.

This is a law which was proposed, written by, advocated for, and politically planned by Creationists for the sole purpose of introducing Christianity to the science classroom as an alternative explanation.

They stated that this was their intent in the Wedge Document.

This law does NOTHING to increase critical thinking. It has the OPPOSITE effect - and THAT WAS THE INTENTION.

It's here to give cover for Creationists who want to undermine science with their religion.

There is NO positive upside to this law. There will never be a situation where this law comes into effect in which the students will have learned MORE than if the teacher has stuck to the actual teaching of science.

The fact that we've had to explain this to you about 15x means that you are not interested in promoting education, only your personal religious beliefs.

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May 16, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
The law says nothing about Creationism or Intelligent Design, but you fear it will allow that taught in public schools, why?
I think teaching about critical thinking is good, science isn't taken on faith.
Jim Crow laws in the South didn't have to say "Blacks can't vote" in order for their intent to be clear.

A law in 1880 that says voters can only vote if both their father and grandfather were also registered votes would effectively block all southern blacks from voting without mentioning the word black.

This law promote NO critical thinking.

It PROTECTS a teacher who is teaching Creationism. That's the INTENT of the law. We know because we know the people who DEVELOPED the law. We know because they are BRAGGING ABOUT IT.

Discovery Institute.
Wedge Document.

You CAN'T be this naive, therefore you must be simple dishonest.

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So, kong and Nuggin object to the law because some nutbag institution says they like it?

The intent of the law is promoting critical thinking, not ad hominem argument.

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May 16, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
So, kong and Nuggin object to the law because some nutbag institution says they like it?
The intent of the law is promoting critical thinking, not ad hominem argument.
You are incredibility naive.

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May 16, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
So, kong and Nuggin object to the law because some nutbag institution says they like it?
The intent of the law is promoting critical thinking, not ad hominem argument.
They don't say they like it, they WROTE it.

Have you read the Wedge document or not?

If you haven't, then your opinion on this is RADICALLY uninformed.

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May 16, 2012
 
I like the fact that they had to combine the bugaboo of human cloning with evolution. What do the two have to do with each other? Oh yeah, their invisible friend does not like either one of them. Even though we now know that a clone would not be the copy that TV science fiction has made them out to be. Or that anyone will be rushing to try to accomplish this.

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May 16, 2012
 
Great breakdown for the 'Disco Tute's' influence here:

" http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sh... ;

"How state anti-evolution laws evolved"
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Brian_G wrote:
So, kong and Nuggin object to the law because some nutbag institution says they like it?
Not only do they like it, they were ultimately behind it. The language used is modified from stuff originally laid out by the DI. And this HAS been pointed out to you before.
Brian_G wrote:
The intent of the law is promoting critical thinking, not ad hominem argument.
Except the law itself is ad-hom, as is your own argument. The law claims evolution is "controversial", which scientifically speaking it is not. You avoid this by claiming that evolution is controversial on a social level. Which means (if your interpretation is true, keep in mind you're the ONLY one who thinks so, as not even Ricky, the creators of the law nor the supporters of the law agree with you) that the controversy is irrelevant to science class as social controversies should be put in the appropriate social studies class, not science class.

Also, since science requires critical thinking by definition, having a law for it is as superfluous as having a law stating the English alphabet is required for English classes.

Of course since we HAVE been through this with you a gazillion times over already, without a valid attempt at rebuttal on your part, the only rational conclusion is that you're just another dishonest propagandist idiot like your buddy Ricky.
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Nuggin wrote:
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They don't say they like it, they WROTE it.
Have you read the Wedge document or not?
If you haven't, then your opinion on this is RADICALLY uninformed.
The problem is he HAS been informed. Multiple times over.

And over and over and over.

His job here is baseless rhetoric, as always.
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May 23, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
The law says nothing about Creationism or Intelligent Design, but you fear it will allow that taught in public schools, why?
I think teaching about critical thinking is good, science isn't taken on faith.
The law is specifically designed to create just such an opening. It's classic Creationist wedge strategy.
There is no need for this law and no purpose for it other than the above.

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