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NASA spending millions of dollars on space-discovery, yet their moon-landing seems to be a fake-video - as many claims. Moon has no atmosphere and there will be in no instance anyone can land on moon. All earthly affairs r link to the moon evenif the menstrual cycle of women, even any incident and sea-waves link to moon, if they mess up with the moon, there will more tornados and disasters to come, so no way they can think of building anything there. Arabs, Chinese , Mayan and many still use the moon calander for counting the days of the year.

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Dec 6, 2011
 
Elias wrote:
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There appear to be four strains of thought on ET life;
a) It's going to be simple life forms i.e. microbes
b) It's going to be complex but completely different to earth and full of strange creatures with no resemblance to earth
c) There will be beings and they will be far more advanced than us and look like stick insects
d) all life evolves exactly the same way over time so expect to see humanoids
It's fun to speculate. Centuries ago writers speculated on other worlds and their supposed inhabitants, and came up with physical features that were arbitrary and frivolous. At least with the accumulation of knowledge since then we can now base our speculation on at least some rational guiding principles.

Of your examples above I believe we can rule out "(d)" straight away. Our own planet has staggered and reeled through a turbulent history of natural upheavals from recurring Ice Ages to meteoric bombardments to a Sun that is by now some 30% hotter and more radiant than it was when life first got started, earth quakes and vastly changing atmospheric composition due to vulcanism etc.

Each of these *chance* events has caused mass extinctions, exogenic mutations, divergent and convergent evolution and speciations. All are due to a sequence palaeo/geological events that is so random that it's certain to be unique.

If we could have recorded our planet's history, wind the tape back and re-run it, the same sequence of events would never come up again and life on Earth as we now know it would instead be different from what it's like now.

Given the random complexity of our own planet's biological fortunes, the likelihood of life on any other world marching in lock-step would be non-existent.

They would instead have their own unique histories influencing their biological evolutions equally uniquely.
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Dec 6, 2011
 
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
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It's fun to speculate. Centuries ago writers speculated on other worlds and their supposed inhabitants, and came up with physical features that were arbitrary and frivolous. At least with the accumulation of knowledge since then we can now base our speculation on at least some rational guiding principles.
Of your examples above I believe we can rule out "(d)" straight away. Our own planet has staggered and reeled through a turbulent history of natural upheavals from recurring Ice Ages to meteoric bombardments to a Sun that is by now some 30% hotter and more radiant than it was when life first got started, earth quakes and vastly changing atmospheric composition due to vulcanism etc.
Each of these *chance* events has caused mass extinctions, exogenic mutations, divergent and convergent evolution and speciations. All are due to a sequence palaeo/geological events that is so random that it's certain to be unique.
If we could have recorded our planet's history, wind the tape back and re-run it, the same sequence of events would never come up again and life on Earth as we now know it would instead be different from what it's like now.
Given the random complexity of our own planet's biological fortunes, the likelihood of life on any other world marching in lock-step would be non-existent.
They would instead have their own unique histories influencing their biological evolutions equally uniquely.
Agree with your post. It does seem unlikely that a series of random chance events can lead to exact humanoid copies of sentient beings.

An amusing article that better discusses how we seem to be using anthropomorphism to cariciture our proverbial alien.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotf...

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Dec 6, 2011
 
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Agree with your post. It does seem unlikely that a series of random chance events can lead to exact humanoid copies of sentient beings.
An amusing article that better discusses how we seem to be using anthropomorphism to cariciture our proverbial alien.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotf...
It's an interesting article certainly. Personally I find the 'Panspermia' theory (or suite of theories) plausible, but not compelling. It may have occurred, but that does not rule out other means by which life could exist on other worlds.

Let's face it, regardless of Panspermia, against all odds Abiogenesis occurred somewhere at some, time else Panspermia could not have occurred subsequently.

And however unlikely, if Abiogenesis occurred once, then it could occur more than once, in more than one place. Such are the opportunities provided by the vastness of the Universe.

For a long time conventional wisdom embodied in Murphy's Law and kindred concepts is that "if something CAN, happen, then given enough time it WILL happen".

I find it especially bemusing that normal folk can take this axiom in their stride day by day ... yet when it comes to something like Abiogenesis all of a sudden they recoil in theatrical horror screaming "impossible!"

Abiogenesis is no more alien to Murphy's Law than is anything else .... unless someone has a *Scriptural* vested interest in denying its possibility.
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The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>Abiogenesis is no more alien to Murphy's Law than is anything else .... unless someone has a *Scriptural* vested interest in denying its possibility.
The latest theory suggest there was a single mega-organism called "LUCA" that covered the world's oceans and (apparently) split into three (Archeobacter, bacteria and Eukaryotes). Eukaryotes giving rise to multicellular organisms and eventually man.
http://richarddawkins.net/articles/644006-lif...

This still doesn't solve the holy grail question of what sparked the predecessor of LUCA to life?

I am often reminded of the RNA retro-virus. It's possible to remove the Ribonucleic acid (RNA), in the lab, from a viroid leaving only the protein coat. You therefore have a few strands of RNA and a protein sheath both of which are not alive (on their own).

Amazingly if you re-insert the RNA into the protein sheath the little viroid comes back to life and is a living organism again!!

The secret is the RNA (or DNA in more advanced organisms) which codes for a specific control of proteins leading to a multifaceted functioning organism that makes it "alive"?

The question is - which came first, the chicken (Protein) or the egg (DNA)?? It seems logical the DNA came first but how did a chemical chain (formed in a warm bubbling ancient pool of water) become self replicating and form protective protein covering for themselves (like an entity in itself) between replications.

From the purely Richard Dawkins view we are simle vessels for the precious nucleic acid cargo/payload that we replicate and spread.

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