Macedonian dig turns up ancient Venus marble

Makedonikos Agonas wrote:

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But I have a question:
Can a person born anywhere in Macedonia become a citizen of the Skopje state, that claims to be the 'Republic of Macedonia'????

Why do you not consult with your inlaws about this?

Soulia wrote:

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Hmmmm, so thats why they kicked out every Serbian in Albanian dominant parts of Kosovo??? Why aren't they then in Bosnia and Croatia trying to take back their lands??? Or is that coming too??

There is no Albanian land in Bosnie and Croatia.
there was Albanian land in Serbia( small Russia), there is Albanian land in Montenegro (Ulqine), there is Albanian land in Shkup (Tetovo), All these lands will be independet. we are currently 2 ALBANIAN nations in europe.. in a bit we will be three. thats all simple is that there is not reason to be confused.. everything is clear isnt it?

The Skopje govt should grant citizenship to all people born in Macedonia. In this way, they would honor the constitutional name 'Republic of Macedonia' and give them a chance to maintain it.

Thanasi wrote:

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Souli is an area of Albanian Epir from which many heroes have been celebrated in Greece. Once again Albanians play a special role in your history.
Do like having an Albanian name?

Soulia is short for something, lol. So no, I guess you're not playing any role in my history. You seem to really love Greeks though, always on our forums. If you're so proud and so much better, why so bitter??? Why so much hate?
Can't get over the fact that nobody cares about your poor insignificant country??

I'm a person just like you. And if you keep trying to say bad things about Greece and my fellow Greeks on this forum, I'm going to have to say something back. I just can't help it. I love Greece and its people, and I am very proud of being Greek, and I'm only half!!!!!!!!

Like I said before, no one is perfect, and no one has a perfect past, you included.

Son Of The Eagles wrote:

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There is no Albanian land in Bosnie and Croatia.
there was Albanian land in Serbia( small Russia), there is Albanian land in Montenegro (Ulqine), there is Albanian land in Shkup (Tetovo), All these lands will be independet. we are currently 2 ALBANIAN nations in europe.. in a bit we will be three. thats all simple is that there is not reason to be confused.. everything is clear isnt it?

check out this map:
http://www.toddmiller.com/maps/Illyria/index....

Says Illyria spanned the coast of Dalmatia, and so do other sources. Google it.

macedonian protector wrote:

I say you the Greeks stop to talk unculture and stop to use bad words talk just true.

Firstly,you've got to use the good words so that we can understand what you're saying...thanks

Soulia wrote:

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Soulia is short for something, lol. So no, I guess you're not playing any role in my history. You seem to really love Greeks though, always on our forums. If you're so proud and so much better, why so bitter??? Why so much hate?
Can't get over the fact that nobody cares about your poor insignificant country??
I'm a person just like you. And if you keep trying to say bad things about Greece and my fellow Greeks on this forum, I'm going to have to say something back. I just can't help it. I love Greece and its people, and I am very proud of being Greek, and I'm only half!!!!!!!!
Like I said before, no one is perfect, and no one has a perfect past, you included.

Don't take it personally, it's a reaction to Greek racism that sets me off. You are entitled to love what is a part of you and so am I. How would you react (if as has always happened to me) when Greeks continuosly tell you that you are not what you are but are really Greek. And then they proceed to put down the place of your origin. Ask Albanians who live and work in Greece of the racism they experience.

The Skopje regime proclaims that their statelet is the 'Republic of Macedonia'. Also, they demand that Greece allows people that allegedly were born or are descendants of Greek Macedonians to obatin Greek citizenship.

Also the Skopje ruling elite claims that there is a 'Macedonian' minority in Greece. Do any members of this alleged minority have citizenship with Skopje? If not why?

Furthermore, shouldn't all people born in Greek (or Aegean) Macedonia or the Blagoevgrad province (Bulgarian or Pirin Macedonia) be able to obtain citizenship with the state proclaiming to be the 'Republic of Macedonia'?

Thanasi wrote:

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Dear Mr.Skatapopoulis,
Albania when measured by the quality of its natural beauty and its people is far superior to Greece. It is a tolerant nation, unlike yours where your main objective is to make everyone a Geek and a so called Orthodox beleiver.
Without the years of charity from the west, of whom you seem incapable of really embracing, Greece would just be another Scurvia. You are the ODD member of Nato and the EU, I am sure they wonder if they should have allowed Turkey in instead of you.
As for the quality of the Greek people, just notice the low level of comments posted and the vulgar references you are capable of when you don't get your own way.

natural beauty im sure...lets how the albanian tourism industry is...probably ahead of only fyrom...thanasi come on seriously......come on..
seriously..and its mr thanasieatsmyskatopoulos...

Makedonikos Agonas wrote:

The Skopje regime proclaims that their statelet is the 'Republic of Macedonia'. Also, they demand that Greece allows people that allegedly were born or are descendants of Greek Macedonians to obatin Greek citizenship.
Also the Skopje ruling elite claims that there is a 'Macedonian' minority in Greece. Do any members of this alleged minority have citizenship with Skopje? If not why?
Furthermore, shouldn't all people born in Greek (or Aegean) Macedonia or the Blagoevgrad province (Bulgarian or Pirin Macedonia) be able to obtain citizenship with the state proclaiming to be the 'Republic of Macedonia'?

The Balkan wars 1912-1913 , and later ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Macedonians committed by the Greeks, you can find and read this:

“….After the Balkan Wars, Macedonia was completely devastated. Besides the tens of thousands killed in the war, there were several hundreds of thousands of refugees (more than 135,000 Macedonians and a small number of Bulgarians from Thrace escaped from the Aegean part of Macedonia occupied by the Greek army alone). There were numerous cases of genocide towards the Macedonian population in the territories occupied by the Greek, Serbian and Bulgarian armies and, according to the Carnegie Commission, several towns like Voden, Negush, Ber, Enidze Vardar, Dojran, etc., more than 200 villages (out of which around 170 villages with 17,000 homesteads in the Aegean part of Macedonia) were completely destroyed. In June 1913 the Greek army burnt to ashes the Macedonian town of Kukush with its 1,846 houses, 612 shops, 6 factories, etc. At the same time 4,000 houses were burned to the ground in the Seres vicinity. The tragic outcome of the Balkan Wars was a real national catastrophe for Macedonia. The unresolved Macedonian question continued to be "an apple of discord" for the Balkan states. It remained in the whirlpool of events which were of fatal importance both for Macedonia and the future of the Balkans…”

and read this in Britannica:

“…Present day Greek Macedonia was formerly part of the larger region of Macedonia that was dominated by the Ottoman Empire between 1371 and 1912. GREEK MACEDONIA WAS CREATED AS A RESULT OF THE SECOND BALKAN WAR IN 1913…”

*****If you want,you can see that “GREEK MACEDONIA” is a creation.
*****If you want,you can admit that region called Macedonia was named after the kingdom of Macedonia,the oldest Europian country, originated in the 9 th century BC.
*****If you want,you can admit that the Greeks formed no more than 10% of the population .
*****If you want,you can admit that not a bit of Macedonia had ever been ”GREEK MACEDONIA” before Greece occupied 51% of the whole entity of Macedonia in 1912 year.

NYT article on the ethnicities of Macedonians ca 1900:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html...

And a touching picture. Proves the abundant Greek element in Macedonia even FURTHER NORTH OF THE MODERN GREECE-FYROM/Yugoslavia borderline!
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/macedonia-mu...

The picture was taken in the beginning of the 20th century.

Makedonikos Agonas wrote:

The Skopje regime proclaims that their statelet is the 'Republic of Macedonia'. Also, they demand that Greece allows people that allegedly were born or are descendants of Greek Macedonians to obatin Greek citizenship.
Also the Skopje ruling elite claims that there is a 'Macedonian' minority in Greece. Do any members of this alleged minority have citizenship with Skopje? If not why?
Furthermore, shouldn't all people born in Greek (or Aegean) Macedonia or the Blagoevgrad province (Bulgarian or Pirin Macedonia) be able to obtain citizenship with the state proclaiming to be the 'Republic of Macedonia'?

*****Some CONTEMPORARY whatever ,-journalist,propagandist ,historians, etc,etc,maliciously cover the facts that all occupants of Makedonija(the Ottomans before and Greece,Serbia,Bulgaria after 1912-13) would officially announce there were no Macedonians in Makedonija,(all of them trying to assimilate the Macedonians.)
*****Macedonian people liberated 37% of Makedonija in 1944 year.
*****There are 3-4 million Macedonians today, proud to say Makedonija is 2800 year old ,the oldest European country.
*****After occupation of 51% of Makedonija in 1912-13 ,about 1 500 000 Greeks were inhabited in “Greek Macedonia” thus chainging the ethnic structure of the population of Macedonija,( under forced deportation from Turkey in 1923 and later-“Treaty of Lausanne”)!
*****. Before the occupation in 1912-13, no a part of Makedonija was ever under occupation of Greece . The Greeks made up only 10% of the population of Makedonija in 1912-13,but Greece occupied 51 % of Makedonija and created “Greek Macedonia”for the first time in history.

One only needs to examine the following CONTEMPORARY source to find out that the part of Macedonia that today constitutes Greek Macedonia has been inhabited by ethnic Greeks in the beginning of the 20th century. That's why the Greeks fought a prolonged, hard, bloody and for many years undercover war to liberate Macedonia from BOTH the Turkish oppressive rule and BULGARIAN TERRORISM:

NYT article on the ethnicities of Macedonians ca 1900:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html...

It is worth-mentioning that the above account of Macedonian ethnicities does not mention anything about any 'pure ethnic Macedonian' group. On the contrary it is in full agreement with Dr. Borza's view that modern Macedonia and its people, the Macedonians, have been multi-ethnic, multilingual and multicultural since the Middle Ages.

Also, here is a touching picture that proves the abundant Greek element in Macedonia even FURTHER NORTH OF THE MODERN GREECE-FYROM/Yugoslavia borderline!
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/macedonia-mu...

So if the Skopje pseudo-Macedonian Reich continues putting forth claims for 'Macedonian minorities' in neighboring countries, these countries and namely, Greece, will probably put forth similar questions. Why are there no Greek and Bulgarian minorities in FYROM? Why does not this country, claiming to be the RoM, provide ALL Macedonians, regardless of ethnicity, language etc. citizenship and passport?

So my advice is that you the Skopje regime should be proud of what they are and not what they want to be...

Srbomakedonac wrote:

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*****Some CONTEMPORARY whatever ,-journalist,propagandist ,historians, etc,etc,maliciously cover the facts that all occupants of Makedonija(the Ottomans before and Greece,Serbia,Bulgaria after 1912-13) would officially announce there were no Macedonians in Makedonija,(all of them trying to assimilate the Macedonians.)
*****Macedonian people liberated 37% of Makedonija in 1944 year.
*****There are 3-4 million Macedonians today, proud to say Makedonija is 2800 year old ,the oldest European country.
*****After occupation of 51% of Makedonija in 1912-13 ,about 1 500 000 Greeks were inhabited in “Greek Macedonia” thus chainging the ethnic structure of the population of Macedonija,( under forced deportation from Turkey in 1923 and later-“Treaty of Lausanne”)!
*****. Before the occupation in 1912-13, no a part of Makedonija was ever under occupation of Greece . The Greeks made up only 10% of the population of Makedonija in 1912-13,but Greece occupied 51 % of Makedonija and created “Greek Macedonia”for the first time in history.

do you actually believe you are making a smart statement? hahhaahhhahahhahahhahh Yes you do!!!
hahahhahhahhaha

And of xourse to return to the issue of this topic...

STUPID GAYGEEKS!!! statu is Macedon NOT Greek!!!! It says so right ther you blinds!!!!! It say :

"Made in Macedonski NOT Greece, in 200 Befor Christos by Alexandar Georgievski"

HA!!!! THIS IS HISTORY!!!! What can yu tell NOw!!???? HA!!!! HA! EVIDENCE that they are Slav!!!

Read this Vlacho in contrast::))

One only needs to examine the following CONTEMPORARY source to find out that the part of Macedonia that today constitutes Greek Macedonia has been inhabited by ethnic Greeks in the beginning of the 20th century. That's why the Greeks fought a prolonged, hard, bloody and for many years undercover war to liberate Macedonia from BOTH the Turkish oppressive rule and BULGARIAN TERRORISM:

NYT article on the ethnicities of Macedonians ca 1900:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html...

It is worth-mentioning that the above account of Macedonian ethnicities does not mention anything about any 'pure ethnic Macedonian' group. On the contrary it is in full agreement with Dr. Borza's view that modern Macedonia and its people, the Macedonians, have been multi-ethnic, multilingual and multicultural since the Middle Ages.

Also, here is a touching picture that proves the abundant Greek element in Macedonia even FURTHER NORTH OF THE MODERN GREECE-FYROM/Yugoslavia borderline!
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/macedonia-mu...

So if the Skopje pseudo-Macedonian Reich continues putting forth claims for 'Macedonian minorities' in neighboring countries, these countries and namely, Greece, will probably put forth similar questions. Why are there no Greek and Bulgarian minorities in FYROM? Why does not this country, claiming to be the RoM, provide ALL Macedonians, regardless of ethnicity, language etc. citizenship and passport?

So my advice is that you the Skopje regime should be proud of what they are and not what they want to be...

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Romania recognise macedonian language as minority language in his country, and ask to be recognised in Council of Europe and EU

Thank you Romania,
Salut Romania,

The Macedonian people like Romania and Romanian people so much even though Romanian people liberated the Greeks fighting against the Ottomans .
The Greeks are writing about their"glorious history " but no a Greek ever said thank you to Romanian people for liberating them,
(Romanian people were fighting against the Ottomans to liberate the Greeks,)

MALAKA, HISTORY THIEV AND LIER:
You are pretty good in altering history to suite your needs. First of all you dont have a history you are not Greek so therefore cant be Macedonian. Why do you deny your Bulgarian ancestry? Are you that embarrased?

PRIAPOS wrote:

MALAKA, HISTORY THIEV AND LIER:
You are pretty good in altering history to suite your needs. First of all you dont have a history you are not Greek so therefore cant be Macedonian. Why do you deny your Bulgarian ancestry? Are you that embarrased?

In 1912-13,Greece,Bulgaria and Serbia occupied and partitioned Makedonija,the oldest European country committing GENOCIDE against Macedonian people
(WWI 1914-18,)
“…..While World War I raged on consuming the lives of millions of young men and women, Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia were serving their own brand of chauvinism in Macedonia. For the next five years, with the world busy with its own problems there was no one to hear the cries of the Macedonian people at the hands of the new tyrants. If the gravestones of the dead Macedonians could speak they would tell tales of torture and executions, deception and lies. They would say, "our Christian brothers came to liberate us but instead they killed us because we were in their way of achieving greatness. We were labeled 'criminals' because we would not yield to their demands. I ask you is it a crime to want to live as free men? Is it a crime to want to be Macedonian? Is it a crime to want to exercise free will? It is they who are the criminals for befouling everything that is Christian, for their lies and deception, and for murdering us to possess our lands. History will record August 10th, 1913 as the darkest day in Macedonia, the day our future died"….

One only needs to examine the following CONTEMPORARY source to find out that the part of Macedonia that today constitutes Greek Macedonia has been inhabited by ethnic Greeks in the beginning of the 20th century. That's why the Greeks fought a prolonged, hard, bloody and for many years undercover war to liberate Macedonia from BOTH the Turkish oppressive rule and BULGARIAN TERRORISM:

NYT article on the ethnicities of Macedonians ca 1900:


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html...

It is worth-mentioning that the above account of Macedonian ethnicities does not mention anything about a 'pure ethnic Macedonian' group. On the contrary it is in full agreement with Dr. Borza's view that modern Macedonia and its people, the Macedonians, have been multi-ethnic, multilingual and multicultural since the Middle Ages.

Also, here is a touching picture that proves the abundant Greek element in Macedonia even FURTHER NORTH OF THE MODERN GREECE-FYROM/Yugoslavia borderline!

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/macedonia-mu...


So if the Skopje pseudo-Macedonian Reich continues putting forth claims for 'Macedonian minorities' in neighboring countries, these countries and namely, Greece, will probably put forth similar questions. Why are there no Greek and Bulgarian minorities in FYROM? Why does this country, claiming to be the RoM, not provide ALL Macedonians, regardless of ethnicity, language etc. citizenship and passport?

So my advice is that the Skopje regime should be proud of what they are and not what they want to be...