Farmers fight back against animal rights groups

Sparky wrote:

<quoted text> who cares what you believe in you ignorant nobama obama or whatever, how bout next din din someone take that yyyuuuuuuummmmiiiieeeee Porterhouse and shove it in your pie hole, you little pee pee idiot

I hope You know that My Rodent Revolutionary Gopher Gaurd is totally going to ruin Your garden next season for that comment.
Then They'll do a number on Your lawn just as a parting gift as well.

bob wrote:

<quoted text> most on this post would say "don't put them down at all, just set them free" "Stop raising animals to be put down for food in the first place" I personally want to have the right to eat a club sandwich. Your vet suggestion, i feel, is good one. unfortunatly there's an additional cost involved that the processor and retailer can't or won't pass onto the consumer. Those costs usually get thrown back at the producer. I researched some ballpark #'s and found it cost like $50-150 to euthanize a pet and the approved drugs can only be administered by a vet. PETA has stated that 10 bil animals a year are used for food. If the consumer would compensate them for it, the producers would do it. People eat McDonalds cause it's cheap and convenient. Most don't know the difference between a rib-eye or ground beef.

Bob, you seems like a reasonable person and I like that a conversation can take place without name calling and political bipartisanship. I know that you don't like the idea of ppl eating less meat (meat for me means any animal)daily, but I bet that this comes from mostly an economic point of view. But one more time I suggest and most studies do to -that people do not need to eat a "dead" animal at every meal. As I have said our ancestors did not and they generally they worked much harder than we modern people do. I still believe that this type of eating will reduce the amount of heads that ranchers/chickens farms etc. would have to take care of BUT they would also be able to raise the price for what they are selling perhaps enough to cover more humane ways of slaughter? because buying meat lets say for 4 days a week (which is how I do) at a higher price will equal the amount that's paid for meat everyday-even twice a day for some? As I said in Sonoma county we have programs where we pay a rancher monthly or a one time higher price and meat is delivered to our homes monthly or bi-weekly. The cuts are good and the animals are raised old style with open areas to graze and run around they can be pork/beef/buffalo you can even add ostrich ( I have not had any)Also some farmers sell 1/4, 1/2 or a full cow in reserve. obviously the prices are higher for better quality and for the large quantity. But people share the price and divide the meat. Right now there are huge waiting lists (some are a year long wait) to get on these programs because they have become so popular around here and these are smaller businesses. But if more offered these services I believe that more would buy in.Just a thought?

Aim higher wrote:

This is factory dairy farm undercover footage just released. Please watch and share.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/animal-rights-u...
See for yourselves the ROUTINE horrific abuse we're trying to protect these animals against.

Do you all still drive Toyotas? Lou Dobbs for prsident?

Consumer wrote:

Hey factory farmers,
I saw what you do to those cows and calves.
You'd hate it if someone did that to you or your family.
There's nothing noble about what you choose to do for a living.
You parasites don't deserve the air that you breathe.

You still buy and drive Toyota? Gonna vote for Lou Dobbs?

I apologize, you misunderstood my position. the consumer must always have the right to choose. If they choose to eat less animal protein, that's their choice. If they want to eat it everyday that should be their right. A question please, how much is the farmer you're buying from make/animal?

bob wrote:

I apologize, you misunderstood my position. the consumer must always have the right to choose. If they choose to eat less animal protein, that's their choice. If they want to eat it everyday that should be their right. A question please, how much is the farmer you're buying from make/animal?

you know I am not sure since I am the a costumer and pay retail. I am including a link that has a list of farmers around here who participate in such retail maybe by seeing how much they charge you can get an estimate? http://www.eatwild.com/products/california.ht...

lovelife wrote:

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you know I am not sure since I am the a costumer and pay retail. I am including a link that has a list of farmers around here who participate in such retail maybe by seeing how much they charge you can get an estimate? http://www.eatwild.com/products/california.ht...

What's your retail price per pound of beef?

madcoman wrote:

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I was talking about Rbst, a synthetic hormone that's banned everywhere but in the USA. So maybe you should get a hint somewhere before you call me ignorrant when you clearly don't know what you're talking about. The reason milk labels can't say it's Rbst free is because arrogant, uninformed people like you don't want consumers to know what's in their food. The Farm Burea and big ag spend tons of money to keep it that way.

Your the one that is stupid. Won't go look it up and admit when your wrong. Has nothing to do with big ag. So go get a hint.

lovelife wrote:

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you know I am not sure since I am the a costumer and pay retail. I am including a link that has a list of farmers around here who participate in such retail maybe by seeing how much they charge you can get an estimate? http://www.eatwild.com/products/california.ht...

I looked it up. You're paying almost twice as much.

bob wrote:

<quoted text> that's the personal choice you've made. I personally choose to have turkey. I should always have the right to make that choice.

It's not a 'personal choice' when you're eating my friends and screwing up my planet.

Send Plumpynut and birth control to Africa

Medicinebow wrote:

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"And, if we stopped wasting so much energy, food and water growing animals, we could feed a heluva lot more humans."
Feel free to back this statement with scientific evidence.

With pleasure.

It takes up to 16 pounds of grain to produce just 1 pound of edible animal flesh, making meat consumption a very inefficient use of grain.

About 20 percent of the world's population, or 1.4 billion people, could be fed with the grain and soybeans fed to U.S. cattle alone.

If everyone on Earth received 25 percent of his or her calories from animal products, only 3.2 billion people could be nourished.


Because the industrial world is exporting grain to developing countries and importing the meat that is produced with it, farmers who are trying to feed themselves are being driven off their land.


In the US, 64% of cropland produces feed for animals, while only 2% grows fruit and vegetables.


It takes about 300 gallons of water per day to produce food for a vegan, and more than 4,000 gallons of water per day to produce food for a meat-eater.

You save more water by not eating a pound of beef than you do by not showering for an entire year.


Food for a vegan can be produced on only 1/6 of an acre of land, while it takes 3 1/4 acres of land to produce food for a meat-eater.

Filet Mignon

Mommas home cooking wrote:

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It's not a 'personal choice' when you're eating my friends and screwing up my planet.

Your opinion, my right. What's your friends name? Plumpynut and birth control for Africa

Mommas home cooking wrote:

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It's not a 'personal choice' when you're eating my friends and screwing up my planet.

I've eaten a few gators.
Just out of curiosity, how do you go about making friends with an alligator?
I'm bettin some of your friends would eat you without a second thought.
It's called the circle of life.

Christmas Hunter wrote:

<quoted text>I've eaten a few gators.
Just out of curiosity, how do you go about making friends with an alligator?
I'm bettin some of your friends would eat you without a second thought.
It's called the circle of life.

Most of the animals you eat are gentle, peaceable creatures, who, in no way deserve the suffering you inflict upon them.

It's called evolution. Embrace it.

Factory farmers wrote:

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Most of the animals you eat are gentle, peaceable creatures, who, in no way deserve the suffering you inflict upon them.
It's called evolution. Embrace it.

Is that right?
Do you happen to have that list handy?
You conclude that much about me from that one post did you?
I might surprise you, but give it a shot. You might even get a couple right.
Hey, you know what would be cool, how bout you guess what brand of underwear I have on too.
I believe humans have evolved quite well by eating meat. You have a long way to go to make your sale by with assumption that you are more evolved than the 98% of U.S. citizens that admit to consuming meat.
As a matter of fact, I'll guess you to be a loyal vegan. I forget what percentage of 1% yours makes up. I just consider it the lunatic fringe.
Be sure to get your eyes checked on a regular basis. The optic nerve is the first to go for those who are not careful with your wonderful diet.

I would love to hang around the school yard and play while you look up retorts from the PETA handbook, but I have to sleep now. Got some arrows to fling in the morning.LOL

Christmas Hunter wrote:

<quoted text>Is that right?
Do you happen to have that list handy?
You conclude that much about me from that one post did you?
I might surprise you, but give it a shot. You might even get a couple right.
Hey, you know what would be cool, how bout you guess what brand of underwear I have on too.
I believe humans have evolved quite well by eating meat. You have a long way to go to make your sale by with assumption that you are more evolved than the 98% of U.S. citizens that admit to consuming meat.
As a matter of fact, I'll guess you to be a loyal vegan. I forget what percentage of 1% yours makes up. I just consider it the lunatic fringe.
Be sure to get your eyes checked on a regular basis. The optic nerve is the first to go for those who are not careful with your wonderful diet.

christmas turkey with stuffing , chicken butterball soup, honey baked ham, cheese, salami, crackers. Hawaiian sweet rolls with butter. Asparugus, corn, cucumbers. Egg nog. wine. beer! you'll never take it away from me and my family!

Nothing like grilled free range grass fed lamb, or beef for that matter.

Course a nice cut of grilled venison is also hard to beat.

We include plenty of veggies too - from our garden - don't care for the "factory farm" grown vegetables picked by the illegals who "evacuate" in the fields instead of in the porta-john.