Farmers fight back against animal rights groups

If there was not so many FACTORY FARMS.maybe the smaller farmers could make a living.I do not see how you can call factory a Farm

The best days are when ignorant environmentalist are the endangered species..... Outlaw wackos!

I am particularly fond of the 40 acres and a mule, i work 15 acres and have a tractor. I Do suggest that the only way we as citizens of anywhere are ever going to get real food to eat again, We have to grow it ourselves, however much you can. In your condo kitchen and balcony, your yard, a community garden or farmers market. As for milk and livestock production it seems to me that the local system has prospered to for about 15,000 years, how do we benefit from Large Multi-National Corporations being involved? Fact is from the advent of mass agriculture and animal husbandry we have lost quality, assurance and control over what we eat. Maybe that is the clue. As good stewards of the earth we do not need the participation of the Corporation or Factory Farm, we need good, local, healthy, drug free Nutrition. Peace and light, Sba Farms . sbafarms@yahoo.com

There are 6 billion people on this plaent. Every day each one needs about a pound of food, a gallon of water, and produces a pound of poop. All of this needs to be supplied and removed with some effcieny.

Growing your own food with a mule and 40 acres sounds nice until it becomes everything you do in life. Nasty as factory farms are, they keep most of us fed whether we like it or not. Livin with 100 year old technology means we can support the population of a hundred years ago. That means two out of three of us must expire. Volunteers?

Yes, consider our resources and the drain of hundreds of MILLIONS ILLEGALS on that system. The low wage uninformed illegal worker will keep the toxic system in place.

The Corp Farmer cares little for your health and will feed you their toxic food. Then the Medical Corp comes in with pharmaceuticals to supposedly make you well, but more likely then not make you more ill. Read the list of side effects, the ones they are obligated to report yet likely keep some from you. If you like that toxic loop, go for it.

I for one will support community gardens, small farms, clean food and clean living!

Arfnotz wrote:

There are 6 billion people on this plaent. Every day each one needs about a pound of food, a gallon of water, and produces a pound of poop. All of this needs to be supplied and removed with some effcieny.
Growing your own food with a mule and 40 acres sounds nice until it becomes everything you do in life. Nasty as factory farms are, they keep most of us fed whether we like it or not. Livin with 100 year old technology means we can support the population of a hundred years ago. That means two out of three of us must expire. Volunteers?

In Direct response, the number of people on the planet is not the problem, the inability of any of those people to obtain nutrition is the problem. The carrying capacity of this planet is a statistic made up by corporate farm, factory farms and those who either choose not to or can't feed themselves. More to the point is how many of the 6 billion people you cite can even obtain food period. Spend some time outside the country, live in another culture that doesn't have the benefit of your corporate centralized system and guess what , they deal with it themselves. The carbon footprint of Corporate and centralized food systems is obscene. On the other hand if you have completely accepted the system within you exist, please explain the rise in food prices over the last 8 years. Lower quality, poisoned products, massive recall after recall, higher drug contents, higher chemical contents, GMO's all add up to an unsupportable equation to every person on this planet. The whole idea of food as commodities to be speculated on by money changers is totally unacceptable and will not survive the century. A failed culture is a failed culture, we are living through the potential collapse of the world culture due to the greed of those who support the way of thinking that you are espousing. peace and light, maybe a bit of enlightenment and certainly prayers for all of you - sba farms sbafarms@yahoo.com

I am a small Ohio farmer and I was ABSOLUTELY against the issue the Farm Burea got passed here by using false information and scare tactics. I find the way animals are treated on these corporate factory farms to be digusting. Don't kid yourself, the Farm Burea only looks out for the large corporations.

how many animals and acres r considered a factory farm?

I am of the opinion that a factory farm is more a ratio of animals and acres. The amount of pasturage involved per animal, the number of square feet per animal in pens and cattle barns for example, The diet and it's reliance on GMO's , it's use of numerous hormones and chemicals to enhance growth and speed development of growth hence yield in relationship to time. There is now doubt that animals can be raised on large scales, the cattle industry for example, but the reliance on artificial means of enhancing the profit instead of the product is perhaps the primary component part of a Factory Farm.

We were going to counter-protest this, chartered a bus, made-up about 500 signs, and were ready to go, but sadly, it was Rabbit season.

Animal rights groups? Animals have rights? Since when did animals rise to the level of mankind? Animals don't have rights, but we as people have a responibility to care for animals. But, these farms produce food! Why worry about the animals' comfort when they'll just end up on my plate anyway?
Stupid activists trying to prove their "moral superiority" by pissing everyone else off. If those j*ck-offs don't like something, they choose not to participate and not f*uck the rest of us over.

sba farms east texas wrote:

I am of the opinion that a factory farm is more a ratio of animals and acres. The amount of pasturage involved per animal, the number of square feet per animal in pens and cattle barns for example, The diet and it's reliance on GMO's , it's use of numerous hormones and chemicals to enhance growth and speed development of growth hence yield in relationship to time. There is now doubt that animals can be raised on large scales, the cattle industry for example, but the reliance on artificial means of enhancing the profit instead of the product is perhaps the primary component part of a Factory Farm.

Sounds like you need to go into farming for a living instead or working in one of the Obamas opinion mills. We just passed the law in OHIO. We will decide our laws not you.

Arfnotz wrote:

There are 6 billion people on this plaent. Every day each one needs about a pound of food, a gallon of water, and produces a pound of poop. All of this needs to be supplied and removed with some effcieny.
Growing your own food with a mule and 40 acres sounds nice until it becomes everything you do in life. Nasty as factory farms are, they keep most of us fed whether we like it or not. Livin with 100 year old technology means we can support the population of a hundred years ago. That means two out of three of us must expire. Volunteers?

Yes I volunteer all China except hong Kong and Taiwan. That should help alot.

bob wrote:

how many animals and acres r considered a factory farm?

Unfortunately, there's no legal definition of a family farm versus factory farm, but the USDA allows almost every CAFO to be classified as a "family farm". You can definately recognize a factory farm when you see one. The biggest difference is how the animals are fed and bedded, the number of animals per pen, and feed and waste removal are not done in a sustainable manner, as they are on family farms.

Dirtnap wrote:

Animal rights groups? Animals have rights? Since when did animals rise to the level of mankind? Animals don't have rights, but we as people have a responibility to care for animals. But, these farms produce food! Why worry about the animals' comfort when they'll just end up on my plate anyway?
Stupid activists trying to prove their "moral superiority" by pissing everyone else off. If those j*ck-offs don't like something, they choose not to participate and not f*uck the rest of us over.

Absolutely! Last nights dinner: Grilled Porterhouse
(rare), yummy, BBQ'd Potato and grilled eggplant in olive oil, salt and pepper.
That Porterhouse was DEEEEEEEElicious! And a HUGE green salad. I believe in the
humane treatment of animals. I think it is our responsibility. However, Cows are
part of the food chain. Thats just the way it is.

sba farms east texas wrote:

I am of the opinion that a factory farm is more a ratio of animals and acres. The amount of pasturage involved per animal, the number of square feet per animal in pens and cattle barns for example, The diet and it's reliance on GMO's , it's use of numerous hormones and chemicals to enhance growth and speed development of growth hence yield in relationship to time. There is now doubt that animals can be raised on large scales, the cattle industry for example, but the reliance on artificial means of enhancing the profit instead of the product is perhaps the primary component part of a Factory Farm.

6 rabbits in a hutch in someones backyard not fed 100% organic and the droppings being dumped in a trash recepticle and the urine being allowed to drip onto the lawn. Factory farm? which is better 750 12,000 cow farms, 1,500 6,000, 3,000 3,000, 18,000 50 or 900,000 10 cow farms?

Dirtnap wrote:

Animal rights groups? Animals have rights? Since when did animals rise to the level of mankind? Animals don't have rights, but we as people have a responibility to care for animals. But, these farms produce food! Why worry about the animals' comfort when they'll just end up on my plate anyway?
Stupid activists trying to prove their "moral superiority" by pissing everyone else off. If those j*ck-offs don't like something, they choose not to participate and not f*uck the rest of us over.

Animals do indeed have the right to be treated in a decent and humane manner, whether they are companion animals or animals raised for food. On one hand you state that humans have a responsibility to take care of animals, but then you say why worry about the animals comfort because I'm going to eat them anyway? So, which is it? The mistreatment of animals and ignoring their natural desires speaks badly of us as human beings. After all, aren't we supposed to be the "superior" ones?

Henry Shepard wrote:

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Sounds like you need to go into farming for a living instead or working in one of the Obamas opinion mills. We just passed the law in OHIO. We will decide our laws not you.

I have made my living, raised three successful, kind adult children as well as have provided jobs in my community for over 30 years. The last thing I am or ever would be is an Obama Fan, but do not assume that makes me a GOP supporter. I am speaking against the current administrations point of view sir. And exactly which Law did You just pass, i am curious

bob wrote:

<quoted text>6 rabbits in a hutch in someones backyard not fed 100% organic and the droppings being dumped in a trash recepticle and the urine being allowed to drip onto the lawn. Factory farm? which is better 750 12,000 cow farms, 1,500 6,000, 3,000 3,000, 18,000 50 or 900,000 10 cow farms?

Well now Bob, let's see, how about none. what exactly does your very well composed and thoughtful statistical example represent? are these choices? How about just responsible regulation, the part the government is supposed to have, that's all anyone is saying. and we are wondering how and why is the family small farm under attack from within the agricultural community? got any numbers on that?

fact is that poor treatment of animals is poor treatment of all living things including us humans - don't forget that factory farms caused and created mad cow disease - treat an animal like junk and it will junk us all up - treat an animal well and it will increase everyones wellbeing